A (hopefully) mature discussion: Is it really okay to hate smokers?

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akibawall95

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Like what I said about hating fat people no I do not hate them. I do not think people should smoke and yes it may harm other people and it is rude to do so in certain occasions but I still do not hate people for smoking. If someone is smoking around you then just move away do not make a big deal about it. My grandma used to smoke does not mean I hate her I think a better word may be dislike or what do you think about people who smoke, I find that hate is a strong word.
 

Darth Sea Bass

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No it's not cool to hate smokers! You wanna know why?

Because while on the one hand politicians would love you to quit and say so vocally when asked, The big secret they'll never tell you is if everyone was to stop smoking tomorrow the day after that taxes would shoot through the roof. And most likely health services funding would shrink to a minuscule level.

What did you sneery non smokers think the treasury of whatever country you live in was just gonna take a multi billion dollar or pound or whatever currency hit and not claw it back any way it could?

Yeah right you should bloody well thank smokers!
 

Private Custard

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thaluikhain said:
clipse15 said:
You do realize that there is a large tax revenue on cigarettes right?
That's true of course, but I'd be very surprised if the tax raised was equal or greater than the cost.
UK stats here. I'll post them in big bold upper case letters, so you, as well as all the other 'you cost everyone' brigade can hopefully understand.

YEAR, 2009.

TAX REVENUE FROM TOBACCO SALES - £10bn

COST OF SMOKING TO THE NHS - £5bn

PROFIT - £5bn


Now, can everyone just STOP. THIS. SHIT?
 

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In my honest opinion, anyone who knowingly harms their own bodies and has a good chance of developing lung cancer and/or shortening their lives by doing something that cost lots of money and can be stopped with a fair degree of willpower deserve my hate.

Also, as a life long sufferer of asthma, I get cigarette smoke blown in my face while walking down a street that causes me to collapse and have to be taken to hospital. So yea, I think my hate is justified. If you are going to smoke, I don't mind if you do it in your own home or a secluded area, but when you stand at a bus stop with 20 other people puffing away then I have to resist every impulse in my body not to punch you in the face then god help me don't be surprised if I am a little annoyed!

Rant...... over
 
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Ok, no. It's never ok to hate.
Reasonable? Again no. There are far worse drugs available, both legally and illegal.

Popular to hate? Sure. It smells. It's the one drug that's easily smellable and partially toxic to others, so it gets all the hatred reserved for other drugs.

TimeLord said:
In my honest opinion, anyone who knowingly harms their own bodies and has a good chance of developing lung cancer and/or shortening their lives by doing something that cost lots of money and can be stopped with a fair degree of willpower deserve my hate.
Sorry TL, but that would probably (without the Big C) include Tanning, Viagra, Aspirin, Caffeine... as well as Methadone, Nitrous Oxide, Meow Meow and a number of other drugs.

Would you include Driving? That's knowingly putting yourself at risk, inhaling toxic fumes, costing a load of money and can be stopped.

Even if we take Smoking at it's absolute worst (which has never been proved scientifically) you're talking a legal drug, used legally, that shortens your life span, ages your skin, decreases your disease resistance, and increases (not causes) your chance of cancer.

Aspirin does that. Caffeine does that. Fatty foods do that.

If you're going to throw hate about, at least do it to drugs that are illegal, lethal or have proven kills. Smoking just increases your chance of dying, it doesn't kill you. Alcohol kills you.
 

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ok I admit I'm a smoker. you can give all the normal lines about why I smoke, it relieves stress, gives the impression that I'm just too cool for my shoes blah blah blah... but the truth of the matter is, I like smoking. we've been relegated around here to not being able to smoke indoors(a law I wholeheartedly agree with) unless we're in our homes or ten meters from any public building entrance. I don't really have a problem with people who look down on smokers, because they're the same type of judgmental people that will comment on your shoes or hair etc... The thing I dislike most is those that constantly try to get you to quit, like it's some disease and not a choice(your first smoke is always a choice) you made. I will quit when I want to or need to. I accept you don't like my decision just like I don't like the fact you're pressuring me into something I don't want to do. Honestly though I find it very rare that that someone judges me for smoking other than my mother, but she's just like that. if you do decide to quit on the other hand, you'll find most of your friends are quite supportive smokers and non smokers alike. Maybe I just have good friends though. as for the public health risks... well coal plants pollute more than any smokers, industry puts more harmful chemicals in the air than a cigarette and cars are some of the biggest polluters out there. I'm not justifying my habit but there's bigger evils out there than a man with a cigarette.
 

ElArabDeMagnifico

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I don't think I smoke anywhere near as much to be considered a smoker but I can't really call myself anything else. When I pull out one of my beloved Camel Filters when I'm feeling anxious and overwhelmed, I'm a smoker. When my friends are over and I bust out the Hookah, we're smokers.

-but God damn, look at how much people hate that. It's almost irrational how passionate that hate is but the weird thing is that I'm not mad about it. I'm glad you guys hate me! Cigarettes, Weed, Cigars, other carcinogenic...things, are fucking evil! Continue to hate them! Stay as far away as you can!
 

philzibit

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Kpt._Rob said:
I do think that restaurants and other public buildings should be smoke free inside.
I have to disagree with that statement. I think it should be up to the owners of the restaurant or whatever to regulate that. Sure, I wouldn't expect to go into Burger King and light one up, but they're places where it should be allowed.

A few years back, Illinois passed a No-Smoking banned in public places, making it so you have to be 15 feet from the door of the building to smoke. This caused some local businesses, ones that didn't cater to the 35 year old parents and their 5 year old kid, to suffer financially. One local diner, who's regular patrons were blue collar working types, had to cut back from being open 24 hours, to more regular operating hours. It could be coincidence, but it happen almost immediately after the law was passed.

I'm rambling though. I smoke, I've lost a friend and band because of it. The guy literally went from acting like my best friend to hating me, all because he'd HEARD I smoked.

People can think whatever they want. If they want to hate smokers, that's fine.
If your gonna hate smokers though, hate people who drink too, or take medication, or are overweight, or tan, because they're all addicting and dangerous.

You have to pick your poisons. At least with mine, it's taxed so hard that if it was made illegal, it would send a already financially unstable country even farther down the drain.
 
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Final word: Smoking is bad for you.

So are a lot of things. Hate War, Hate Abuse, Hate Misinformation, but don't hate addicts.

Help them try to give up.
 

loc978

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Fine to hate the action, pretty messed up to hate the person because of the action.

Works both ways too. Smokers should be aware that what they do is disgusting to some, harmful to all, and has the potential to cause a violent allergic reaction in some very few. Much like working with mildly noxious chemicals. You won't catch me working on a fuel line indoors or in a public place.

As I see it, it's fine to smoke, as long as the place you do it in is designated for smoking. If it's not, and someone asks you to not smoke there, don't take offense... just follow the rules. On the flip side, if you're offended by smoking and someone is doing so in an area designated for it, don't pitch a fit... just leave.
 

ZippyDSMlee

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Ah smoking the new great evil of humanity right up their with quassi pedophilia(fictional "child" sex). If you can't handle a person smoking then move to some uninhabited place free of guns, industry and vehicles....
 

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As a smoker, I usually do get dirty looks from people, and sometimes I call them out on it (but most often I just give them the finger, I'm a class act). No, there's no real reason to hate on smokers. My concern is these people who think that by harassing you about it they're 'helping' you. No. Just no. I'm aware of the risks, I know that it's bad for me, but you know what? Everyone does something unhealthy. When you're eating a MacDonald's burger, do I come up and verbally harass you over it? No, of course not, because that would make me a jackass. Live your own life, and let me live mine. I'm already taxed up the ass because of my habit anyway.

ElArabDeMagnifico said:
-but God damn, look at how much people hate that. It's almost irrational how passionate that hate is but the weird thing is that I'm not mad about it. I'm glad you guys hate me! Cigarettes, Weed, Cigars, other carcinogenic...things, are fucking evil! Continue to hate them! Stay as far away as you can!
Marijuana isn't carcinogenic.
 

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I smoke Cigars every now and then and I find the smell of most of them to be quite pleasant. Cigarettes smell pretty bad to me though. I don't mind if I am at a party and I'm outside and someone lights up a cigarette and I never really dislike the people I see smoking just because they are smoking. If I walk down the street and smell a cigarette I will make a mental note of how it smells bad and ignore the cigarette for the rest of its time in my presence. Someone might wonder why Cigars do not get such a bad reputation and the answer is multifaceted. Cigars still retain their image of class while cigarettes have had an image of being cheap and dirty since the 60s. Cigars are also smoked less frequently than cigarettes (once every few months for me) and while they are larger, no one smokes "a pack a day" like they do with cigarettes. This means that they seem less addictive and the amount of tobacco consumed is typically smaller for Cigar smokers than cigarette smokers. It is relatively rare for people to smoke a cigar more than once a week while many cigarette smokers go through a lot more cigarettes in a 24 hour span. If you see someone walking down the street with a cigarette in their mouth you are going to dislike them because "They are addicted and dirty and are ruining my lungs with their smelly habits." If you see a guy walking down the sidewalk with a lit cigar your either going to ignore him or think "Wow that guy seems like a pretentious douche. Who walks down the street with a lit cigar anyway?" Cigarettes have an image of being dirty because of their smell and their omnipresence with smokers while Cigars have an image based on how they are being smoked. If you are out on a porch slowly smoking a cigar and talking with a friend who is also smoking a cigar then you are either celebrating something in a subdued and respectable manner or enjoying the presence of a friend while enjoying a stogy. If you are walking down the street with a lit cigar then you probably want people to see you smoking and associate you with the classy image the cigar has managed to maintain and people will pick up on that. Cigarettes do not have any of this depth. It is true that a person can enjoy a cigarette in the same way I enjoy a cigar but the vast majority or cigarette smokers go through several cigarettes in a public place because they have allowed the addictive substance to get the better of them.
 

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In the 19th it was a popularly held belief that radium had beneficial medical qualities. People would buy highly radioactive lozenges, get x-rayed with the miracle beams and so on. They also thought that aligning the bodies magentic field was also important. This was achieved by being electrocuted with higher and higher voltages, some times in a bath, some times with hand-held devices. Before that, the consumption of mercury, and all other kinds of piosonous minerals was lauded.

How silly they were we say now, didn't they know they were giving themselves cancer and how their so-called cures were lethal? How very quaint and foolish. Indeed, smoking was once considered healthy - a way to clear the lungs as an expectorant.

In the 1950s, the rise in cigarette related deaths finally couldn't be hidden. The medical research proving that tobbacco was a deadly poison and a lethal narcotic were irreffutable. Yet 50 years later any adult, and in many countries, any child can purchase this fatally addictive substance.

How will history judge us as we continue to make this freely available. When future generations look back at the truly massive death toll smoking has caused, that it outshadows the dead of two world wars and pretty much every other disease thoughout human history, will they be proud that we let people choose?

That their opinion was more important than their health?

That consumerism won out over common sense?

Or will they look at us with a sense of horror and disbelief that so many opted to murder not only themselves, but to sacrifice the health of their loved ones through passive smoking just for their own gratification?

Now, i'm not a health nut, I'm pretty much an obese fat soaked slob, who could easily be called a hypocrite for hating smoking but comsuming large quantities of saturated fats etc. I'll even admit my defense is pretty lame - What I eat will kill me, and no one else araound me. it is my choice and it effects only me. If smokers can make that same claim, that they ingest this drug without it effecting the health of anyone else - fine. Go do it. And I'm not talking abbout going outside, or only to the smoking room. A way that effects no one else - basically patches, gum or injection - not an enviromental pollution. That way, you're accepting your choice, and you alone take responcibility for it.

In the begining, you made the point that smoking looks cool, and fair play, it does. But if your doing it for it narcotic effects then why not take snuff, chewing tabacco, again, patches and so on. Why smoke a ciggarette not a pipe, or a hookah? Is the reason you're indulging your addiction in this way pure selfish vanity?
 

BlueberryMUNCH

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Whee, I love well structured OP's:].

Basically, no. I don't smoke myself, and I think it's a stupid thing to do regularly, but heck, I have socially had a smoke, sure. I guess I have the willpower to not get addicted.

And the girl I have a massive crush on, smokes. I can't hate her.
SHE'S AMAZZZZINNGG AAAAAAAH.

...xD.
 

KiKiweaky

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Kpt._Rob said:
Read the entire thing, thanks it was a good read. Smokers where I live anyway (Ireland before you ask) arent hated. I have yet to be asked to put out a cigarette or move to another part of a room. Why? Because of smoking bans, as far as I'm aware we were the first to bring them in.

I was a teenager at the time and only heard from the news how some barman who had never smoked his entire life died of lung cancer. 20 - 30 years in a smoke filled room eventually cost the poor man his life. I didnt realise what an impact it would have on my later life. I'm a smoker now, have been since I was 10.... only really started smoking consistently when I was about 14. I'm now 22 and its fair to say that if I didnt smoke smoke my health would be much better, I'm not 'sick' right now. But it will more than likely come back and bite me in the ass in my 30's and 40's.

My Dad had to quit smoking as it was destroying his health, his doctor basicly said 'If you dont, you are going to die'. When I was young I was the most vocal in my entire family at abusing him for his smoking. So much so that he stopped smoking in the car, the house etc... Whats worse is cancer/heart problems have claimed both my granfathers and my dad also has heart problems. I'm at a stupidly high risk of developing health problems from smoking.

On the face of it I would have been the last person anyone would have expected to start smoking. I have a few ideas as to why I did though, long 3 month summer holidays with sod all to do and Irelands lack of amenitites for kids and teenagers leads to incredible amount of boredom. Which leads kids/teenagers who are naturally curious to entertain ourselves. For me this took the form of cigarettes and alcohol. Smoking at age 10 and drinking before my teens at age 12. What can I say there was sod all else to do.

I have never been mistreated as such for smoking. Never been asked to put it out or whatever. I think this happens as I'm quite aware that alot of people don't like it at all. At a house party for example, I'll ask the person who's house it is do they want me to go outside. I dont even smoke in my own house even when my parents are around.

Smokers are becoming social pariahs though, travel for any length of time and you'll understand what I mean. I recently flew to Australia. Out of 5 airports I flew through only 1 allowed you to smoke inside (Dubai) and only one other had facilities for those waiting for international flights to smoke outside while they waited which was Singapore. Landing after a 7 hour flight and having wait for an hour, go on another flight and check out etc before being able to smoke was a bit of a drag but not the end of the world. A friend went to the states and said they were basicly treated like leppers at a beach if they wanted to smoke. A small white box was drawn on the ground and you had to stay inside it.

Admitedly we make oursleves targets though, the smell, the cost to the taxpayer etc, cigarette buts all over the place... Hell if I didnt smoke I'd probably think people were insane to do it.
 

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Yan Hunt said:
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Children can't get cigarettes unless they have an asshole aged over 18 helping them.

Obesity costs healthcare systems way, way, WAY more than smoking-related disease, and gives back virtually nothing in tax, unlike smoking. 75% of the price paid for a packet of cigs in the UK is tax. Aalso your suggestion that smoking related disease has killed more people than world wars/'all disease' is totes mental.
 

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I don't hate people that smoke. I just hate the smokers who have no respect for non-smokers.

If you wish to smoke, it is fine by me. However, at no point is it acceptable to impose your habit on my health.

1. If I am inside a bus shelter and it is raining outside, do not light up inside the bus shelter because you do not want to stand in the rain. I shouldn't have to second hand smoke your stuff just because you want to stay dry.

2. Many places are scent-free, including the university I attend. I am sensitive to many strong scents. If you smell like an ashtray, please do not sit down next to me because I will then have the urge to vomit.

Having said that I absolutely disagree with New York City's new policies regarding smoking in parks and outdoors. If you don't want people to smoke, then have the balls to ban smoking. Don't be hypocritical and collect millions in taxes and then disallow the fair use of a legal substance.
 

skaskunk

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The problem with this anti-smoking-movement is that it has gone too far...

I mean i have absolutely no problem if a bar/restaurant-owner says "in my establishment smoking is forbidden" That's cool, it's his joint, he makes the rules.
But when our governments say it is ILLEGAL to smoke in any public place that goes too far... (It is illegal to open a "smokers club" in my country)

In my opinion the best compromise would be to create separate spaces for smokers and non-smokers in those establishments... So that everybody would be happy and none would feel discriminated...

But hey it's cool to hate smokers... everybody is doing it!!!!