A Look at Anyone Can Die Narratives (Attack on Titan Review) Spoilers

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cojo965

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Just a heads up, I have not finished the series yet, but I feel I have seen enough to comment on it up to where I left off. So by episode:

1. The first character we meet is Eren Yeager, who is apparently like the Skywalkers in Star Wars because he sees his mom die in a dream, and I spoil that with no shame because it's completely fucking predictable. The next name to remember is Mikasa Ackerman for whom I say this: make some of your own fucking decisions *****. She is like Samus in Other M in that she never does anything unless Eren does it first, something he seems to call Mikasa out on later. Next is Armin Arlert and Christ I keep having to go to Wikipidia just to spell these fucking names. Anyway Armin seems to want to "get stronger" but it is painfully obvious that he lacks courage. This is about all that happens really in this episode, so there is nothing more to dwell on.

2. FUCKING CALLED IT! Eren's mom is eaten by one of the titular Titans. I must say stop screaming and point and laugh because so many of these things look too goofy to be threatened by. A lot of them seem to have "rape face" smiles on their faces that make me giggle rather than scare me. So Eren's home town is overrun by Titans and we move on to the story proper.

3. GODDAMN IT ATTACK ON TITAN! With two episodes down with no traditional anime style humor that I hate we suddenly have that stuff constantly in this one. Also Ymir where is my giant alien? That was a 20 Million Miles to Earth reference that had an alien of the same name. Lastly, this one ends anticlimactically.

Attack on Trost Arc. At the start of this story arc, we meet Annie Leonhart who without wishing to spoil raises a red flag on the first meeting. With that said when the attack begins proper Eren may not have said it but he was thinking it. You know what I mean, those particular positive thoughts that seem to actively attract trouble. So yes Eren seems to bring the Colossal Titan with happy thoughts like Peter Pan with a death wish and the assault begins. It is here that the "anyone can die" narrative raises its head. So many named characters die or almost die in this arc that it loses a lot of its sting. On the positive side, Armin demonstrates his capacity for planning and tactics which highlights just how little he should be on the front lines. We also get some background on Mikasa and Eren which only confirms to me that they are mentally unstable. The most significant part of the arc though is the introduction of Titan Shifting. I'll be honest, I skipped the episode where Eren has to gain control because I find it the most boring part of a story with an element like this because they inevitably will do whatever it was they set out to do with it anyway so better to get it over with.

I'll stop there because I am a slow to type but the series did bring to my attention a complaint I have with narrtatives like this, it strikes me as easier to not care about anyone because someone is bound to die that you get invested in. So I say just don't bother. What about you guys?
 

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I find that with anyone can die narratives that while I continue to care the same as I normally would it does heighten the tension, as I can't go in knowing that because of the meta everyone will live.

But my question to you is, why do you watch an anime you so clearly dislike?
 

cojo965

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Xeorm said:
I find that with anyone can die narratives that while I continue to care the same as I normally would it does heighten the tension, as I can't go in knowing that because of the meta everyone will live.

But my question to you is, why do you watch an anime you so clearly dislike?
Oh I'm enjoying it. Keep in mind I'm not a pro reviewer so it may have come across as harsh. It's just that it seems that most of the named characters strike me as better characterized Red Shirts after episode five. Armin himself reminds me of how I would likely do in a world like this one because while I play airsoft and therefore get shot a lot I'm terrified of most theme park rides. However he's nearly died so many times that he seems to have a clock over his head counting down to when he dies for real though I haven't gotten there yet I just know it's going to happen.
 

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From what I've heard Game of Thrones has a similar "anyone can die" thing going on, but I've never watched an episode so I'm not sure.
 

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This anime is far from anyone can die. They kill off more secondary characters than your usual anime, but all of the main characters have max level plot armor with extra protection from titans. If any of them die, it will be in a blaze of glory.
 

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cojo965 said:
I don't know if I'd call Attack On Titan an "anyone can die" narrative. Yes lots of characters die, but our core trio made it passed the first season and while I fully expect at least one of them to get snuffed out before the end, we pretty much know for certain Erin isn't going to die, at least not until everything is resolved. He's the main hero, and it's a shonen anime. He's gonna make it.

As for how I feel about them, while I don't mind characters dying I do like a bit of resolution and closure in my stories. And while yes life doesn't always provide a nice resolution or closure when it comes to every person who dies, I hold different standards for fiction than I do for life. I don't really care who dies in the story or even how many, as long as there's a meaning to it. In Attack On Titan, I felt like it really illustrated just how tough and unforgiving the titans are when compared to the weak and squishy humans. So many times in anime the humans survive encounters they really shouldn't completely unscathed, to the point where you wonder just how formidable the enemies are. Attack on Titan makes it very clear that the titans are extremely formidable and even though the humans are capable of some pretty incredible feats of physical prowess, they can still easily be put down in an instant.

Plot armor doesn't really bother me either, unless the story makes a habit of constantly putting the armored characters into potentially fatal situations and tries to make whether or not they'll survive suspenseful. The correct way to do this is to not emphasize the suspense of their death, it's to emphasize the suspense of what they'll stand to lose if they fail in their mission, whatever that might be. Even though the audience knows your character is going to live they still don't know how they're going to live or what they might lose in the process. So good stories drum up THAT drama, rather than the drama of their survival.
 

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Okay, how the hell did Attack on Titan get a reputation for "anyone can die"?

More like "a whole bunch of bit characters can die". That's just the standard in violent fiction.

The main characters are alive and well and surviving improbable odds on a regular basis. Hell, of the ten top-of-class characters, only one died and he, unsurprisingly, was the one with the least characterisation. He got maybe four lines before biting the dust.

I'm inclined to say similar things about Game of Thrones, but going into specifics would get me stoned to death for the sin of spoilers.
 

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Personally I find it really annoying. This is why I stopped reading the Walking Dead comic. I just stop getting invested in the characters. I guess it works better for me in TV and movies since I spend way less time with the characters deaths don't bother me as much. It also really annoyed me with Steven King novels I was reading for a while where he'd kill off the young female character in each novel. It became so predictable it was like the author himself was standing over me hitting me with a bat saying: "THIS IS SAD! BE SAD NOW!"
Instead of creating tension for me I just get annoyed that I spent all that time getting to know and like the character.
 

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I never thought of it as a "anyone can die" narrative. A few of his fellow classmates died but that's it for named characters. Most of the deaths are secondary characters that are pretty much introduced to die, all of the main or important characters are untouchable, especially Eren.

I remember seeing someone on this forum post that it would be pretty interesting if Eren wasn't a Titan and so did die when he was eaten, it would have been this huge bait and switch with the main character dying and then Armin and Mikasa taking over as main characters and trying to go on without Eren who they both leaned on a lot for support.

I find myself agreeing that this would be pretty cool.
 

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Singing with the choir on this one.

Where exactly did you get the impression that this was a "high stakes" kind of show? Now I do remember the threads and posts that people made while the show was still ongoing and there was a lot of speculation seeing as a few people got wrecked (primarily Erin, the more naïve among us must have really thought he died) and I can see how that thinking permeated.

But the series' first season has been over for a while now and it's shown it's hand. And that hand is quite clearly a shonen one. Albeit a bit more violent.

If you stop your rant, to think a bit you'd realize the few people that died didn't meant shit and the one who did (forgot his name it was freckles boy who looked up to Jean) they die to serve purpose. In that kids case it was twofold (character development for Jean and a cop out means for Armin to discover a secret)

Sure you can counter argue that Levi's squad could have meant/become something (they weren't. Like some one above mentioned they screamed redshirts. Just enough characterization to get a reaction from some) they were already established vets and had little to bring to the show besides their Gwen Stacy Paradox (thanks Bob) where their deaths made for a more interesting story (for Levi and his yo yo style in particular)

So to end this on a short note. This show isn't any one can die. It's more "damn that's gory" if anything. The deaths are wall paper, the main characters have the trinity force of plot armor and aren't going anywhere soon (especially evident with the authors comment that they represent body[Mikasa], mind[Armin], and spirit[Eri]) shit they didn't even have the balls to kill a more prominent character (Annie) talk about cop-outs.