A non-racist look at modern black culture
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I agree. I wasn't trying to imply that racism is the cause, it is sadly an effect of what seems to be a self-perpetuating cycle. Because of whatever reasons several decades (even centuries) ago, black people are more statistically likely to be born into poverty, therefore having a very different upbringing to those born into a richer family.BGH122 said:
I like to think that employers will choose people based on their abilities rather than skin colour, but the result of this is that more white middle class people will be hired to the higher paid jobs, black people will more often be left with few options other than crime if they want an income that will sustain a family or fulfill personal desires for wealth.
I don't think this is began as a large scale conspiracy or such, but you cannot deny that having blacks in poverty, thus committing crimes, works wonders for those who wish to use it. The media and to a lesser extent politicians can play on the link between blacks and crime to their immediate personal advantage (nothing evokes emotions more than an easily identified 'enemy'), whilst they leave out the important decider of poverty and help the cycle along simply by exploiting it.
How can the cycle be broken? I don't know, but it will not happen instantly. Even if all skin colours come to be seen equally, I have no doubt another 'enemy' will take their place. David Cameron here in Britain seems to be trying desperately to make the those without jobs this 'enemy', and it is saddening.
Afros are discouraged from most work places as "unprofessional" and "political", like hair texture is something you should grow out of after college. Straightening one's hair is usually seen as pretty effeminate and is still a reflection of how we don't accept natural black hair styles as professional.no oneder said:
Moving on. I really don't see how people complain about black people and gangs when gangs are historically created and prosper from disadvantaged minorities. If you want to get rid of gangs, get rid of the incentive for gangs by making the system fairer. The real problem is black poverty. The Italian Maphia in the U.S. and the Irish gangs prospered when those ethnic groups were at greatest disadvantage. Your average Italian or Irish American generally doesn't consider joining these organizations because they don't need to in order to get ahead.
On to rap music, real "gangsta rap" has seriously declined in popularity since the 90's. Tupac and Biggie were serious wake up calls to the industry.
boyvirgo666 said:
You might not be racist but your certainly ignorant. Black people don't have time to be offended by things like this despite what you think. You have to but the disclaimer of "i'm not racist" because your defintly traveling in that territory. I can easily tell that you don't know many black people because if you did you would know that Black people are just regular people.
My biggest problem with ignorant/racist people is this notion that Black people somehow don't understand context. In the right context it is perfectly fine for a white person to say ****** without being stabbed. Black people can understand the nature of a comment
If you have to qualify yourself as a non-racist in your title, you are indeed a racist. Don't take offense to it; everyone harbors odd sub-conscious feelings that we don't quite understand. It just means that we haven't come nearly as far as we need to as a culture.
yes im aware the series is satire. im sure everyone here does. but satire can make you think. i dont think rappers run around shooting each other randomly and have songs about stomping people in the nuts.Jack_Uzi said:
Maybe i wasnt putting it on there for black people? maybe i was putting it on there for the people who will jump on you for being racist when you call them black?clipse15 said:
and do i really really need to point out that satire and comedy can still make you think about other issues? i wasnt using the boondocks as a direct metaphor for real black culture.
I'm very glad to read that you are fully aware of it being a satire and still use it as an example to your topic so people can comment about it in some way because it depresses you. It's probably my mistake to read it as a thing you feel upset about while you really shouldn't.boyvirgo666 said:
I'm a musician. There are a lot of musicians on this site. Music is an art. Did Beethoven waste his life by writing his symphonies? Did the Beatles waste their lives by producing a large percentage of the best music of the last century?boyvirgo666 said:
Perhaps your point was a good one, but I stopped reading your post at the quoted point, for it was at that point that I lost all initial respect I had for you as a person, and all respect I had for you from your writing up to that point. I have only that respect left which is required to bother trying to make your opposing point to someone, and I don't know why I have that. Because what you have casually said, without a thought, is that my passion, my life's work, is a waste.
without a thought? if you dont make a living off your music i dont care. an industry with a 90% washout rate is not a viable industry. is your not touring or making money from it by the age of 30 then give up and get a real job2012 Wont Happen said:
I totally agree with you that those who wish to present black people as racially inferior are handed an excellent opportunity to do so by the unfortunate fact that black people are statistically more likely to be born into poverty, but its important to keep in mind that whilst racists are looking to take advantage of an unfair situation, they themselves didn't create it.Bebus said:
I'm from Britain too and I'm not sure that it's the unemployed that Cameron is after, but more the boogeyman of the benefit cheat. I don't have access to any statistics that show that such a thing exists and it's almost certainly one part fact three parts politically convenient myth, but that said I went to an inner city comprehensive when I was young and almost everyone there was born to a single mother living off benefits. Demonising people is always a shoddy tactic, but that doesn't change the fact that effectively paying women to have children isn't a valid use of our country's money in a world that's already over hideously overpopulated with the population growing exponentially (frankly I think it's high time that a worldwide restriction on children per person is brought into effect before we overpopulate ourselves into extinction, but I really doubt that any such law would be accepted). I can't say I agree with any of the three main UK parties: Labour wants to live in a socialist dream world speckled with drops of misandric 1970's feminism (thanks to Harriet 'fucking nutjob' Harman); the Lib Dems don't seem to know what they want, seemingly wanting liberalism and high taxation (thus state control) at the same time which are pretty obviously contradictory ideals; and the Tories are so ridiculously out of touch with the public's issues that their ideas are basically redundant. However, that said, almost everyone in parliament in all the parties has lived a laughably privileged life going from fancy private school to Oxbridge and then into politics, so it's not surprising that none of the parties have any idea how to identify with the people of this country: they haven't lived in it.
Nothing described is unique to one race...
Musicians and sports stars are revered everywhere, no matter what their skin colour is. People in England would struggle to name their local MP, but we all know who Wayne Rooney is...
I'm not sure why you think that being involved in music and sport is wasting your life. They're both interests of passion, and very rewarding.
Musicians and sports stars are revered everywhere, no matter what their skin colour is. People in England would struggle to name their local MP, but we all know who Wayne Rooney is...
I'm not sure why you think that being involved in music and sport is wasting your life. They're both interests of passion, and very rewarding.
I plan to make a living off of music. I suffer no delusion that I will be massively successful. Realistically, I think I'll just barely get by. But pursuing art is never a waste of your life, and in just getting by off of art, I set myself free.boyvirgo666 said:
Serving Happy Meals at a McDonalds, stimulating yourself none, and furthering childhood obesity, is a waste of your life.
Sitting in an office eight hours every day, working for people you hate, doing things you don't give a damn about, is a waste of your life.
Standing behind a counter all day long in retail, dealing with unbelievably stupid people, getting angry at you for their misunderstandings, is a waste of your life.
The only thing that is not a waste of your life, is to do that which is your passion. Because if you're spending the 45 years between age 20 and retirement doing things you don't care about, things you hate, then you have wasted your life. I don't plan to waste my life. Others are free to do what they will, but my life will be spent doing what I love.
ill end this off topic arguement with this. i know musicians that make a living on there music. i know musicians that still live with there moms. you can love it all you want but the point is wasting your life on your passion can happen too. just ask all those music degree holders from the 80s2012 Wont Happen said:
Really now? I wouldn't particularly call The Third Way a "socialist dream world". Or do you mean now that they're out of power? I haven't really paid much attention to them since they left office.BGH122 said:
OT: Coincidentally, a black man walked across a field with me today. It was painfully obvious that he wanted to see if I had a phone on me (asked me my network, how much credit I had, asked if he could see it, and when I mentioned I didn't have my phone on me the despondence was palpable - he soon lost interest).
I didn't even feel angry that he was planning to mug me - I just felt disappointed, and slightly amused at his lack of subtlety (no, I didn't assume because he was black that he wanted to steal my phone - the line of questioning just lacked copious amounts of tact - no one with good intentions, the definition of "good" being relative to me of course, is that desperate to see a stranger's phone).
He looked fairly financially deprived, and seemed nice enough, even if it was merely small talk. Ah well. It's a good thing I don't have my phone with me most of the time.
Perhaps I shouldn't, but I stereotype on clothes, not skin. If a stranger's in a tracksuit and baseball cap (I hate baseball caps, but that's just a fun fact for everyone), talking to me, like this guy was, I don't trust them.
If the guy had been in a suit I'd be more inclined to get my phone out (if I had it). Men in suits usually just con me, so it's fine.