A petition to black out Steam for an hour

[Kathinka]

fucking over people that most likely don't care about their delusional SJW-nonsense to further the cause? yes, brilliant, i can see no way how that could possibly go wrong!
besides, valve would never do it, no matter how big the petition gets. they are obliged to provide their service to the best of their ability, and they are not going to screw over their paying customers because some SJWs yell loud enough for it.

 

[Doom972]

She keeps throwing the bait and people keep biting. Valve won't black out Steam for her, no matter how much signatures she gets. She's just grumpy because she's hungry for more attention.

 

[MeatMachine]

Anita gets a lot of hate from the online community.
We want this to stop.
Here's a great idea to draw sympathy:
Pull the plug on Steam and deny everyone access to their paid content.
People will realize that women are suffering online, and will totally care.
When we forcibly confiscate all their games for an hour.
Because this can only be a good idea.
And will only enlighten people to our plight.

 

[NemotheElvenPanda]

So remember when feminists like Anita said that they're not trying to take video games away?

I'm not having this. At all.

It's not only stupid for logistical reasons, it's just going to make actual, genuine, and legitimate attempts on making video games more open for women and other groups more difficult. If they really want to do something that benefits people, they could just make games on their own and upload them for Steam like what most indie devs do all the time.

 

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Internet was down for a few days, so I only got this now. I don't really think I can respond with anything I haven't already said, and to be honest I think we're arguing approaches more than ideas at this point, so I don't really feel the need to take it further than this. I will address one small thing though

Yeh which is why I doubt telling people it's really really naughty will stop it.

I think you've misunderstood something here, presumably the 'corrective' part of corrective rape. The word 'corrective' refers to the fact that the rapists in these instances will rape a homosexual woman in belief that by doing this they can 'correct' her into heterosexuality. It's got nothing to do with telling people that their raping is wrong.

 

[Genocidicles]

No.

No one is responsible for your actions other than YOU.

You can not control what other people do. You can only control what you do.

So if someone threatened her life or safety, it is NOT her fault, no matter how much you disagree with what she said.

Oh ok then, so let's say I go and find the biggest guy in town, and I call him a **** right to his face. If he were to then punch me in the face, would it have been my fault?

 

[Jack_in_the_green]

I think we should propose to black out Twiter for a year... THAT would actually help the conversation about games, cause you could do it in a place where A CONVERSATION can actually happen...

 

[PinkiePyro]

You have got to kidding really?!

First off this is Anita we are talking about who is known for stirring up issues for attention, not some normal youtube gamer... So chances are it could very well be faked

Second how exactly is this fair its not like valve themselves was harassing her why should they lose potential profit over this whole thing, why punish everyone for what appears to be the actions of one individual..
its just wrong steam and its community had nothing to do with this if anything its freaking twitter that should shut down for the event...

 

[Don Incognito]

No.

No one is responsible for your actions other than YOU.

You can not control what other people do. You can only control what you do.

So if someone threatened her life or safety, it is NOT her fault, no matter how much you disagree with what she said.

Oh ok then, so let's say I go and find the biggest guy in town, and I call him a **** right to his face. If he were to then punch me in the face, would it have been my fault?

No, it would fucking not.

He could have tried talking to you. He could have walked away. He could have insulted you back.

YOU are NOT responsible for anyone else's actions, period.

 

[Six Ways]

Holy shit, this is Lewis' Law all over the place. I am astounded at the proportion of people on here happily saying they think these death threats might have been faked.

For the record, I think the petition is a dumb idea. And I'm a feminist (SJW if you like, I don't really care). But apparently most people agree, since there are hardly any signatures.

So in fact, this WHOLE TOPIC is an example of Lewis' Law. Naive person makes naive petition, no-one cares or signs, youtuber makes ten minute video about OMG SEE FEMINAZIS ARE RUINING MY GAMEZ DOWN WITH THE MATRIARCHY

 

[Chappy0]

No.

No one is responsible for your actions other than YOU.

You can not control what other people do. You can only control what you do.

So if someone threatened her life or safety, it is NOT her fault, no matter how much you disagree with what she said.

Oh ok then, so let's say I go and find the biggest guy in town, and I call him a **** right to his face. If he were to then punch me in the face, would it have been my fault?

It would be both your faults. They could have been the better person and not reacted or not used physical force but that doesn't mean you aren't at fault for starting the whole thing. There is a point where you stop being a victim and start being an asshole.


P.S. This does not reflect my opinion on this whole debacle, I was merely stating my opinion on this specific hypothetical scenario.


OT: I'm not going to say much, I have very little interest in getting in a argument on this topic, but I am going to agree with the sentiment of, this isn't going to do anything for the image of feminists. You don't target a larger group for the actions of a minority and taking away Steam, even for something that would seem as inconsequential as an hour because of something some random shmuck on the internet did isn't exactly going to make everyone suddenly see the light.

EDIT: hang on, I edited this and my quote is messed up.

EDIT2: There we go, no idea what happened there.

 

[verdant monkai]

This is some Illuminati shit right hear guys.

Its not like Valve is going to black out their service and lose profit, just because someone got butt hurt.

 

[WhiteNachos]

Holy shit, this is Lewis' Law all over the place. I am astounded at the proportion of people on here happily saying they think these death threats might have been faked.

Yeah how dare people question the validity of these threats that could've been faked. It's not like Anita has ever lied about anything before /s.

Seriously if you're going to say that not believing her is anti-feminist you're turning feminism into a freaking joke. I've seen people's reasoning for why they think the threats are fake, they have nothing to do with her being a woman or even Anita's trustowrthiness. It's things like how the screenshot was taken 3 seconds after the tweets were posted, how quickly the tweets were from each other and how the guy switch from stalker in love to guy who wants to kill her. You gotta admit that this thing would be easy to fake, so saying all the people who think it's fake as misogynists without addressing any of their arguments is just anti-intellectual at best, you're not trying to engage with people honesty you're just trying to get the critics to go away or you want to dismiss them without having to listening to them.

You want to know why feminism has a bad reputation. Dishonest stuff like this is why. I think it's white knighting too since you immediately come to her defense without even considering the rationale behind her attackers.

Edited to be a little nicer.

 

[Six Ways]

Yeah how dare people question the validity of these threats that could've been faked. It's not like Anita has ever lied about anything before /s.

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To assume that people would fake death threats is to assume that they are entirely despicable. You either back that shit up, or you're a terrible, terrible person. And are you claiming that Anita Sarkeesian, one of the most reviled women on the internet, has not received death threats? Why would she feel the need to make up more?!

To which lies do you refer?

I've seen people's reasoning for why they think the threats are fake, they have nothing to do with her being a woman or even Anita's trustowrthiness.

They're from drinking tinfoil hat kool-aid. They're constructed by people who have decided they already hate her, and are going to construct a narrative where she deserves the incredible volume of bile she receives.

It's things like how the screenshot was taken 3 seconds after the tweets were posted [...]

12 seconds actually, and the previous tweets were minutes before. So the person had been on that page hitting refresh, regularly taking screenshots. Surprise, they took a screenshot after a new tweet popped up. I'd bet they had a few, and posted the last one tweeted before a longer lull.

how quickly the tweets were from each other [...]

Uh... people do that. 140 chars isn't much bro.

and how the guy switch from stalker in love to guy who wants to kill her.

You mean, just like real stalkers? Gosh.

You gotta admit that this thing would be easy to fake, so saying all the people who think it's fake as misogynists without addressing any of their arguments is just anti-intellectual at best

Technically easy to fake does not mean you assume it is fake. And I just addressed your arguments. These are, as I say, tinfoil hat arguments constructed by those who are already convinced of their conclusions.

(and this is white knighting, you immediately come to her defense without even considering the rationale behind her attackers).

Why on earth do you assume I've not considered the rationale? And immediately? This is the sixth page. How do you know how long I've been following this issue before posting? I disagree with you - that doesn't mean I've not thought about it. If you're going to label that as 'white knighting', then you're just using ad hominem.

 

[WhiteNachos]

Yeah how dare people question the validity of these threats that could've been faked. It's not like Anita has ever lied about anything before /s.

Spoiler

To assume that people would fake death threats is to assume that they are entirely despicable. You either back that shit up, or you're a terrible, terrible person. And are you claiming that Anita Sarkeesian, one of the most reviled women on the internet, has not received death threats? Why would she feel the need to make up more?!

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And there are despicable people out there. And she would have to fake death threats that have her address posted on them or fake them if they weren't as psycho as the ones she posted.
And I'm referring to her saying that Hitman Absolution encourages you to kill strippers and drag their bodies around when the opposite is true.

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And now you're addressing the arguments that people put out when they say she faked it, rather then just dismissing them as misogynists which is what I wanted. I didn't think you would do that which is why I was so angry before. For the record I did not want to argue about whether they were faked or not, I just wanted to say that I really dislike dismissive people who say 'people who take this position are jerks' without addressing what they say.

These are, as I say, tinfoil hat arguments constructed by those who are already convinced of their conclusions.

I wouldn't go that far.

(and this is white knighting, you immediately come to her defense without even considering the rationale behind her attackers).

Why on earth do you assume I've not considered the rationale? And immediately? This is the sixth page. How do you know how long I've been following this issue before posting? I disagree with you - that doesn't mean I've not thought about it. If you're going to label that as 'white knighting', then you're just using ad hominem.

Ad hominem would be something like "you dropped out of high school, therefore we can ignore whatever you have to say". It's dismissing an argument based on the person who said it not just an insult.

E: Why do I assume you just dismissed them? Well because you say they're all misogynists. Someone can be swayed by bad/weak arguments without being hateful or whatever. And I've seen too many people on both sides just dismissing people without having a real conversation (that last sentence is not an excuse, just an explanation if that makes sense).

 

[hermes]

Yeah... that is pointless and stuff.
I know, maybe instead of shutting of Valve to call attention to those disagreeing with her, maybe we could shut down PSN to call attention to those agreeing with her...

What is that? They beat me to it? Damn Internet and its professional trolls.

For the record, I don't agree with her proposal. But I can't help by point out the similarity with what was done by those disagreeing with her, from their high horses. Except for the terrorist threats, of course...

 

[WhiteNachos]

You know what Six Wars I think the biggest problem is that you see those arguments as grasping at straws and I don't. I think the timing is suspicious. I'm not saying it's proof positive that she faked it, all I'm saying is that it's a bit suspicious.

Like when a cop who is accused of abuse says their camera malfunctioned during the act. Sure it might've, but it does raise some suspicion about the possibility that the cop disabled it. It could be a coincidence and it's definitely not enough evidence that the cop's covering it up but it's suspicious.

And to see you dismiss these suspicions as being misogynist just seems like you don't even want a discussion but are just taking sides and sticking with it.

I should've been nicer though. Sorry.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Err why target Steam only? Seriously I thought the petition was to do with more on the Steam Sales (they are so cheap!) than it was about the recent attack on Anita. Shouldn't the petition should also apply to Xbox lived and Playstation network since I'm pretty sure women get harrass over there too!

 

[hermes]

Holy shit, this is Lewis' Law all over the place. I am astounded at the proportion of people on here happily saying they think these death threats might have been faked.

Yeah how dare people question the validity of these threats that could've been faked. It's not like Anita has ever lied about anything before /s.

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Well, law of large numbers here: What is more common? People faking physical, psychological or verbal attacks and threats based on gender wanting attention? or people hiding behind anonymity to make claims and threats online that would put their asses into jail if done in person?

Yeah... not looking good for the conspiracy theorists.

 

[WhiteNachos]

Holy shit, this is Lewis' Law all over the place. I am astounded at the proportion of people on here happily saying they think these death threats might have been faked.

Yeah how dare people question the validity of these threats that could've been faked. It's not like Anita has ever lied about anything before /s.

snip.

Well, law of large numbers here: What is more common? People faking physical, psychological or verbal attacks and threats based on gender wanting attention? or people hiding behind anonymity to make claims and threats online that would put their asses into jail if done in person?

Yeah... not looking good for the conspiracy theorists.

That is an appeal to probability fallacy (I think).