A plea to the Escapist community.

[Normalgamer]

Hello fellow Escapists, my name is Normalguy, and I'm here to complain about how some of you who are complaining. A few weeks ago, a show by the name of Jimquisition was created. This has been met with severe criticism regarding the format, style, and general point of the show. What I mainly want to say, is that if a new show pops up and you dislike it, it's completely unnecessary to say how much you hate it, why everyone should hate it, why it shouldn't be on The Escapist etc. If you dislike a show, state what it should improve on, and move along. If the show is so terrible you are never going to watch again(And some of you feel that way about Jimquisition, that is perfectly fine and your personal preferance is not wrong in any shape or form!)then just do so, no need to leave in your post that you plan too, all your doing is causing more discontent among users and insulting the work entirely. All I'm asking, is if you truly dislike shows such as Jimquisiton, Game Dogs, etc. just use constructive criticism, instead of outright flaming the show.

 

[Just_A_Glitch]

Welcome to the internet! Where people ***** for the sake of bitching!

I have yet to watch the new show. I think a lot of people were also upset that it (seemingly) took the place of the Lisa Foiles show (which I never liked, so no harm done to me). But I agree, it is annoying to scroll through a comments section and see nothing but people bashing the show without being constructive. But its always going to happen, unfortunately.

 

[Mikodite]

But... But... flaming is fun! /sarcasm

Seriously though, you are right. I stopped watching Tales from the Table for this reason. I could go one about why I despise it, but all that does is cause flamewars while promoting the show with the monkeys dancing around the cage screaming and flinging their own poo. If something is genuinely bad enough people will stop watching it that the escapist will have it pulled or not renew their contract with the creators.

There was similar outrage with the Top 5 with Lisa Folie, but that's died down seeing that there hasn't been a new episode since she guest-stared on Anthony Saves the World.

Ultimately we are all subject to our own tastes, and sadly, a haters gotta hate, so people whining about how they hate Jimquistion, or Top 5, or Show about Games Show, or ironically ZP, is not going away anytime soon. Some people are too stupid to sound smart while others just want to troll.

But I get your point.

 

[subtlefuge]

People go into the comment thread, and start tons of threads all about this. This generates more views and more publicity about the show. The show becomes more successful and profitable largely because of the audience that claims to hate it so much. It's a flawed system for flawed people.

Alternately, if you don't like something, don' watch it. The Escapist tracks views and makes decisions based on how many people watch the show.

Also, I like Jimquisition. It has some growing pains to sort out, but there is something interesting to be had there.

As a final point, I find your OP to be poorly conceived, and you are in dire need of a search bar tutorial.

 

[TheHecatomb]

Internet forums are by definition unnecessary. Having said that, there is no point in constructive criticism. Do you think people like Yahtzee, Bob and Jim bother to read all the comments? Come on. They're people who think their own opinion is so unique, interesting and important that is has to be shared worldwide via the internet. It is reasonable to expect they're prepared for - or have at least considered - the fact that the internet is made up of a lot of jerks who will just mindlessly bash anything they don't like. And if for some reason they haven't, hey, maybe they just shouldn't read the comments, right?

Not that I'm defending the people who spend their time flaming Jimquisition, but making a thread to whine about the whiners, well, let's just say I think it's pointless at best.

 

[Normalgamer]

Internet forums are by definition unnecessary. Having said that, there is no point in constructive criticism. Do you think people like Yahtzee, Bob and Jim bother to read all the comments? Come on. They're people who think their own opinion is so unique, interesting and important that is has to be shared worldwide via the internet. It is reasonable to expect they're prepared for - or have at least considered - the fact that the internet is made up of a lot of jerks who will just mindlessly bash anything they don't like. And if for some reason they haven't, hey, maybe they just shouldn't read the comments, right?

Not that I'm defending the people who spend their time flaming Jimquisition, but making a thread to whine about the whiners, well, let's just say I think it's pointless at best.

I'm not whining about the people whining, I'm asking them to get their act together if they still honestly believe the Escapist is the "Number one forum for intelligence and Maturity."

 

[ZeZZZZevy]

Internet forums are by definition unnecessary. Having said that, there is no point in constructive criticism. Do you think people like Yahtzee, Bob and Jim bother to read all the comments? Come on. They're people who think their own opinion is so unique, interesting and important that is has to be shared worldwide via the internet. It is reasonable to expect they're prepared for - or have at least considered - the fact that the internet is made up of a lot of jerks who will just mindlessly bash anything they don't like. And if for some reason they haven't, hey, maybe they just shouldn't read the comments, right?

Not that I'm defending the people who spend their time flaming Jimquisition, but making a thread to whine about the whiners, well, let's just say I think it's pointless at best.

I'm not whining about the people whining, I'm asking them to get their act together if they still honestly believe the Escapist is the "Number one forum for intelligence and Maturity."

Unfortunately, intelligence and maturity are fairly rare things on the internet. As much as we try, there will always be flamers, haters, etc.

Just ignore it and move on, if you really don't like what people are doing, try not to acknowledge them

 

[Dark Knifer]

Welcome to the internet! Where people ***** for the sake of bitching!

This should be printed in bold on every web browser.

OT: Criticism is something the internet likes a lot. Yes it annoying but attempting to change this would be like trying to take on a rhino with a ball-point pen and a shoe. It's not worth getting annoyed at because, sadly, it's inevitable.

 

[voetballeeuw]

I see what you're saying. I have no problems with the show, if people like it that's cool. You do your shit, I'll do mine. I'm not one for needless complaining, and perhaps the show will grow into something entertaining. Time will tell.

 

[LobsterFeng]

You've got a good point. And something I've noticed about this site is, if you are going to flame/rant, there is always, ALWAYS, going to be someone that doesn't agree with you. This of course cause more flaming/ranting, and then the mods step in.

 

[Normalgamer]

People go into the comment thread, and start tons of threads all about this. This generates more views and more publicity about the show. The show becomes more successful and profitable largely because of the audience that claims to hate it so much. It's a flawed system for flawed people.

Alternately, if you don't like something, don' watch it. The Escapist tracks views and makes decisions based on how many people watch the show.

Also, I like Jimquisition. It has some growing pains to sort out, but there is something interesting to be had there.

As a final point, I find your OP to be poorly conceived, and you are in dire need of a search bar tutorial.

Why would I be in dire need if I have one and use it for every thread I make? BOOM LOGIC'D.

 

[lord.jeff]

My only problem with the complaining is that every comment is just "This guy sucks" no reasons, just the one statement. If your going to make a statement just provide a reason, forums are meant for discussion, and you cant really discuss "This sucks" with much more then "I agree" "Your wrong" or "Why?".

 

[Drakmeire]

Personally. I don't really like the show that much but I'm never one to complain. if you don't like it, don't watch it. simple as that. I'm fine with people expressing their opinions but some of the bile these shows get is a bit too much.

 

[iLikeHippos]

Technically, this can stretch to all kinds of debates and arguments. For instance, Religion.
Keep it to yourself, you have all the right to believe as you believe, but don't go proclaiming shit as if it was the law and everyone disagreeing ought to be locked up in a jail. Much appreciated.

But, you know as much as I do that's not going to happen due to all of the rage going on. Little less on Internet forums.

 

[evilstonermonkey]

Hello fellow Escapists, my name is Normalguy, and I'm here to complain about how some of you who are complaining.
Hello.
A few weeks ago, a show by the name of Jimquisition was created. This has been met with severe criticism regarding the format, style, and general point of the show.
Yes, yes it did.
What I mainly want to say, is that if a new show pops up and you dislike it, it's completely unnecessary to say how much you hate it, why everyone should hate it, why it shouldn't be on The Escapist etc.
Actually no, a new show needs feedback. This is how the fine people of the escapist know what shows to keep, drop, develop, so on. It also allows the creator to know what to change in order to please their audience.
If you dislike a show, state what it should improve on, and move along.
This is exactly what you just said should NOT be done... you said "it's completely unnecessary to say... why everyone should hate it, why it shouldn't be on the Escapist." It should not be on the Escapist or Everyone should hate it is a bit strong, but really it is just an overly dramatic version of I hate it because and I don't feel it fits in here because. People saying flat out "Everyone should hate it fullstop" or "It should not be on the Escapist fullstop" is non-constructive.
If the show is so terrible you are never going to watch again(And some of you feel that way about Jimquisition, that is perfectly fine and your personal preferance is not wrong in any shape or form!)then just do so, no need to leave in your post that you plan too, all your doing is causing more discontent among users and insulting the work entirely.
... and telling the Escapist staff very strongly that you dislike this addition to the video lineup, which they want to know because they are spending money on it. Noone wants to spend money on something intended to please their clients when that thing clearly does not please their clients.
All I'm asking, is if you truly dislike shows such as Jimquisiton, Game Dogs, etc. just use constructive criticism, instead of outright flaming the show.
While the first Jimquisition video copped a lot of flak, it also got a lot of constructive criticism. Many, many, many of the posts were "I didn't like this because..." or "You need to do/consider/replace/etc this..." And you know what? Clearly enough of this criticism was good, because much of it has been acted upon and the Jimquisition this week is far and away better than the first. And if you read the comments you will see the opinion does get noticeably better with each iteration.

 

[lacktheknack]

I would say something about overwhelming negative response getting rid of disliked content, but it's still there, so I suppose I'm incorrect.

 

[Atmos Duality]

There are times when it's necessary to call into question whether such content is worthwhile or not. Politely, of course. Nothing is exempt from criticism; though most of the internet is convinced that being a critic entitles one to being a complete asshole at the same time.

 

[WorldCritic]

I leave the flaming to everyone else. For the Jimquisition I just stated my opinion on the first couple videos and I've ignored it since then. Now that you bring it up though I am curious as to what everyone is saying about the newer videos.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

I've stopped doing it now, but I left negative comments pointing out the bad things on the first three Jimquisition shows. I tend to have a three strikes policy, and if something doesn't improve by then I leave.

So why not leave constructive criticism, why just point out the negatives and go? Well for one thing I wasn't flaming, I was making a request every time for the Escapist site-runners to take Jimquisition off the Escapist, and I was stating my reasoning. I wasn't trying to make the show better, I don't think the show can get better, I was throwing my voice out there to get it removed.

It's the same as when I report someone's post for offensive behaviour, or trolling. I don't stick around to explain why I think the post was poisonous and should have been deleted, I report and move on. However pushing the report button for one of the contributer's shows doesn't work (I'm fairly sure) so my only option was to leave my comments and hope someone was reading.

Clearly no one was reading, because the show is still going despite over a thousand negative comments, but at the very least I can feel like I tried. That's why I do it, because the report button doesn't work for contributer's who are trolling flamebaiting fucktards.