MarsAtlas said:
He contributes to a culture that harms trans people everyday. The were act of making transphobic tweets and retweeting transphobic tweets is a part of that.
Transphobic again... I keep seeing that spring up more and more. Please, show me where he is attacking, calling for attacks, or denying basic rights because someone is trans then.
You're not "playing devil's advocate", you're defending deliberate, unapologetic transphobia.
No, I am calling an attempted ideological purging out for boiling down to being about a difference in political perspective. A sad realization that I have to do so considering I have no love for the guy, but as I said before, I can't condemn a man for ignorance or belief alone. And no, I don't see "I don't take the same stance on the topic of transphobia as you" is the same thing as "transphobic".
Attacks against the identity of trans people are attacks against trans people, both in thoery and in practice. In theory because it strips them of the ability to self-identify, perhaps the most basic human right there is, and in practice, because it encourages a society to be unflinching in its transphobic behavior, which ranges from ridicule to rape and murder.
You are stretching far with that one. Dismissing the gender identity someone aligns with is not the same as denying them human rights. You would equate calling someone with an incorrect pronoun in this case, with outright hate and violence. I think that is a reach too far to justify running the guy off.
Please, demonstrate then. Because saying "I don't think you are the gender you align with but instead the gender a dichotomy biological view would dictate" is not taking away basic human rights, no matter how stupid the idea is. Life? Liberty? The right to free speech or assembly? Hell, the right to call or consider yourself whatever you want is still there, he just doesn't consider some is anything but the binary. So until you show how opinion on their gender alignment is the same as violence though, I am still going to have to see it as an extended argument that boils back down into "I dislike this opinion" which is your right, but which also is of no more or less value the anyone who does like his opinion, and as such not a fair reason to call for his head least the same excuse be used against those you agree with.
That he grants respect to individuals, not to groups?
"I don't hate black people, my best friend is black! Who I really hate are those niggers who just coincidentally make up 99.9% of black people."
A strawman if I ever saw one. Unless that is quote from him himself. Though I suspect if it was, you'd have brought that up first instead of this dance around we seem to be doing.
The perspective is "a group doesn't deserve respect for being the group". You are instead presenting it as though that is an attack on the group. The sentiment comes off far more as reaching for loaded language instead of arguing the point, and honestly, the conversation deserves better then the be reduced to such a farce as that.
So its justified to act in a bigoted manner towards people who you don't think are treating you kindly, gotcha.
Your misrepresentation does you a disservice, you are better then just blatantly fallacious arguments.
Anyone who demands respect because of the group they belong to, be it gender, race, sexuality, gender identification, religious belief or anything else is a fool. No group inherently deserves respect and no one should act like they do or demand it, as respect is an individual thing, earned and lost by individual action alone.
Because it is individual, if someone is acting like an asshole, then treating them as such is only fair, yes? And it should not matter what group they are a part of when doing so. Or should I treat creationists who call me a hell-bound sinner with reverence and respect because the christian church demands it as a group? Looking at tweet in question, the calling of "neanderthal" before it doesn't suggest the most civil conversation previously, so the reply of "groups don't deserve respect just because" might be more related to that. But hey, this is just me trying to asses a twitter conversation and a guy's opinions in them. You seem to see a lot more malice in them though, which I really can't see there myself. The growing snarkyness of your replies though suggest you are taking this more personal then you should be.
