A quarter million people petition for the Westboro Baptist Church to be reclassified as a hate group

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Mortamus

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I keep hearing about this alot, and here is what I have for the whole censorship thing.

"This will jeopardize free speech for others."
No it won't. I've got news for you. "Rights" are an idea. That's it. A human concept, put into practice by large groups of people that share in the belief that the idea is a good one. The problem is, that idea can change in favor of the majority. Any majority. So that right can be taken from you. In simpler words, Freedom of Speech isn't a right, it's a privilege. A privilege that can be taken from you at any time. If you don't believe that, simply go and read up on U.S. history and you'll see how many people were "protected" by their rights.

The point to this observation? We're people. We're not held to a specific set of rules set by other people. If we say that we want the WBC declared a hate group without penalty, then that's what we're going to do. Worrying about the loss of freedom of speech for others is not even worth dwelling on because, again, the majority gets what it wants. Not based on a privilege, but based on human nature.

It's only a matter of time before one of these gets out of hand and someone else realizes that for all their "rights" and "protection", that neither one of those will stop bullets or other forms of violence. That person will do something much worse than label them as a hate group and prevent them from being allowed to these events.
 
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Mortamus said:
I keep hearing about this alot, and here is what I have for the whole censorship thing.

"This will jeopardize free speech for others."
No it won't. I've got news for you. "Rights" are an idea. That's it. A human concept, put into practice by large groups of people that share in the belief that the idea is a good one. The problem is, that idea can change in favor of the majority. Any majority. So that right can be taken from you. In simpler words, Freedom of Speech isn't a right, it's a privilege. A privilege that can be taken from you at any time. If you don't believe that, simply go and read up on U.S. history and you'll see how many people were "protected" by their rights.

The point to this observation? We're people. We're not held to a specific set of rules set by other people. If we say that we want the WBC declared a hate group without penalty, then that's what we're going to do. Worrying about the loss of freedom of speech for others is not even worth dwelling on because, again, the majority gets what it wants. Not based on a privilege, but based on human nature.

It's only a matter of time before one of these gets out of hand and someone else realizes that for all their "rights" and "protection", that neither one of those will stop bullets or other forms of violence. That person will do something much worse than label them as a hate group and prevent them from being allowed to these events.
It's either this or people will just start killing members of this church and try to be justified through the end means.
 

Simalacrum

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Vegosiux said:
Simalacrum said:
People need to remember that, while the WBC are incredibly offensive, they also have a strict policy on non-violence; they're pacifists in a weird and twisted way. So long as they don't hurt people, I think we need to think very, very carefully about the consequences of any act of banning such an organisation.
Maybe the term "violence" needs to be redefined to include not only things that cause phyical harm
I see your point, but again, significant consequences could be seen from such a redefinition: what WBC does is offensive. Seriously offensive. But If we start trying to recategorise organisation for being offensive, then there are a LOT of other groups that could come under fire for the same reasons: homosexuality is offensive to many in the US, after all.
 

JagermanXcell

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The problem is they're can't be classified as a Hate Group because they haven't cause any violent physical acts.
But are they literally pure evil to the point where they should be classified as such...
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES. 1,000x YES.

I am all for the Freedom of Speech, I really am, it makes us all human to have difference of opinion. But these people are nothing but scum on this Earth. Sure they haven't hurt any one physically, but emotional pain is much stronger, everyone knows this. All they do is make things negative, they spread HATE. I know religion, and I know for a fact the last thing my church, friends, or family will spread would be hate. Its simple really, they aren't a religion, they are and have been a Hate Group unofficially for years.