A question about the Avengers
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When he is talking to Loki before the last big battle, he has a Black Sabbath T Shirt on. On a slightly tangential note screw you Batman Rock is awesome.Guffe said:
Cuz War Machine isn't as gutsy, daring, or smart. (Or popular)
War Machine is Paul Tibbets to Iron Man's Albert Einstien
War Machine is Paul Tibbets to Iron Man's Albert Einstien
James Rhodes is just a good pilot in 1 suit of high tech armor. he could not build new ones, he could not maintain he one he has and he doesn't even have the infrastructure to use it. Tony stark has all that and his main asset is that he is smart AND has the money to realize any project he desires(as opposed to Banner who is just as smart but relies on other peoples tech and money).
but i agree that it is stupid to not bring war machine in when the giant alien invasion is going on and i would have been happy with a small cameo of him(in the suit) leading a squad of fighter jets to prevent anything leaving Manhattan.
but i agree that it is stupid to not bring war machine in when the giant alien invasion is going on and i would have been happy with a small cameo of him(in the suit) leading a squad of fighter jets to prevent anything leaving Manhattan.
Yeah, but Bruce sets up the 'I can't control the beast within' plotline when he meets Black Widow in India. I too was expecting some sort of resolve that would let Bruce gain control of his Hulk powers, but that never happens. And his discussion/bonding with Stark - which was great by the way - also leads you to believe he'll achieve some state of mind to take control. But ultimately at the end he's simply nice Hulk just cuz.Abandon4093 said:
hw can control his hulk transformation when he deliberately get's angry to transform like he did in NY but the first time around he just got really angry without wanting to(possibly because of of Lokis mind control) and thus had no control over the hulk. kind of like sometimes people push themselves into anger for one reason or another and other times just have uncontrollable fits of rage.DugMachine said:
ABOARD THE CARRIER, NOT IN THE FOREST. Reread his post, rethink about which part of the movie he is talking about, then realize, you are talking about the wrong fight. Also, having just watched the movie on Friday, I want you to go back and see the look of absolute RELIEF on Black Widow's face when the P.A. system is hacked, and she realizes Iron man is there to save the day and capture Loki in the scene leading up to the fight you ARE talking about.Chicago Ted said:Ya... I think you're not at all remembering that scene.Copper Zen said:Sorry, but you're both wrong--not that I want my saying so to come across as confrontational.FalloutJack said:can YOU stop the genius with a powersuit from getting involved, especially when he's palling around with the Hulk? What's that? No? I didn't think so.Dimitriov said:That's BILLIONAIRE, son.FalloutJack said:
Just Saiyan
But yeah, Stark was brought along NOT as a member of the Avengers but as a scientist and engineer. He then just casually decided to involve himself whether anyone else approved or not.
Captain America was responsible for Tony getting involved with the fighting.
Remember?
Steve and Tony are face to face and Cap--who totally wants to whupp up on Stark--kept saying "Put on the suit. Put on the suit. Put on the suit."
Tony holds his ground but you can tell there's NO WAY he's going to go toe to toe with Cap because he recognizes that while his tech is far superior Cap's got him totally beaten on grit and combat experience. They just had a three-way face off with Thor, remember. Cap went face to face with the God of Thunder with just his shield while Stark was getting his armor crunched and messed up.
Then Loki's team arrives--led by a mind controlled Hawkeye--and the helicarrier takes a hit that sends Steve and Tony rolling.
Then Steve once again says "Put on the suit." and Tony says "Right."
That's how Iron Man was pulled into the fracas.
It was Captain America's fault/doing.
Dude totally talking about the wrong fight
Even Tony didn't want to involve Iron Man in the fight, but he felt he had no choice after what happened in the ARGUMENT that Copper Zen was talking about.
Yeah from what i can gather it because the first time he was forced into his transformation so he cant retain control while the second time it was self-induced and is everyone forgetting the part how he falls out of the plane and lands in the warehouse and the janitor guy says he looked like he was purposely falling there.teebeeohh said:
Guys i know without Ironman there would be no movie but i was trying to look at this from a realistic stand point here.
Because War Machine brings firepower, where Iron man brings Stark's intellect and a much upgraded suit. Also, since Rhodes is military, Fury probably wouldn't know for sure where his loyalties would lie if, for example, some illuminati-like council decided to nuke Manhattan in spite of Fury's wishes.
Abandon4093 said:
Umm Thor is classed as Cosmic level. He routinely goes toe to toe and wins against Galactus's Heralds. He's beaten the Surfer. Thor has two advantages against Hulk. Speed ((Thor is one of the fastest people in the Marvel U He is quite litteraly faster than the god Hermes in pure speed. and that doesn't even count his teleport powers, only his raw speed. )) And Magic
Because Iron Man was part of the avengers when it started, War Machine came later[footnote]This is the Meta reason, as War machine first came around in 1979, while Iron man and the Avengers were out 1963.[/footnote]njrk97 said:
The more in universe reason is becuase Rhodes is just a soldier, sure he has a Iron Man suit, but thats about it. Tony Stark is Iron Man. While he maybe be a narcissist, he is a genius narcissist. And when the chips are down, Tony get serious.
Lets not get into that, the're both equally disciplined. Supes has different skills that Batman but I wouldn't say less. And Supes only has less liquid capital. If Superman were to sell off his belongings, only Aquaman would be close to him in the ammount of cash.matthew_lane said:
while i don't think cap is necessarily that smart, (and correct me if i'm wrong here, i've only read up on it, not sure if it's all facts/whatnot) but cap's shield is like the ultimate cosmic defense, the bonds in the shield itself are able to absorb the blows it takes and make the shield even stronger, or make it cause an emp type energy blast (like in the movie, thor's hammer is also a cosmic weapon so when the ole "unstoppable force meets an immovable object" thing happened it was an even explosion of energy)Copper Zen said:
so yeah, i think you MAYBE are severely underestimating that damn shield, they underplay it at times, but that thing could stop a freaking sun if it was soaked into the shield the right way as a blow. but obviously, he's one man and he can't block everything, so i think ironman would outdo captain with shear power without having to use his energy blasts. (same goes for thor obviously)