A question for Star Wars fans.

[Gbadude3]

People don't seem to understand that, saying the midichlorians are the Force is like saying "your computer is the internet", the midichlorians are only a means with which an individual can hear and comunicate with the Force, therefore it is still mysterious. Most of the blame for this confusion still has to fall onto George Lucas for only mentioning the medichlorians in one sentance and leaving them completely unexplained for the rest of the trilogy.

 

[Captain Blackout]

In A New Hope, Obi-Wan explains outright that the Force is "an energy field that surrounds all living things." Han Solo refers to it all as a 'hokey religion'. Midi-chlorians contradict the explanation given in the original movies.

Forget everything everyone said about reducing magic to science. Those were personal complaints, because I still saw the magic. This is it in spades. George Lucas found one way after another to contradict himself. He was a crappy egotistical writer who should've invited Kasdan back. There are reasons why "Empire" was the best movie of the series.

In essence, originally the Force was the connection between all life and existence, created by life itself. Some were more talented than others at accessing it but anyone could develop their own connection to the Force and one's stance towards it, not some biological feature, defined how well that connection to the Force could be used.

It distracts from the magical, spiritual heart of the series, which is the victory of faith and uncertainty over cold mechanical oppression. If you want to see a religious subtext in this, go ahead.

It reduces a series that is totally about fantasy to plain logic, and by doing that, you make it boring. I mean, it's a series for escaping from this worlds certainty about everything into a world we can't explain!

In short:

It just makes them boring!

I never saw that. The magic was still there, it was simply mitigated, like a priest between a worshipper and their god as opposed to one's personal connection to their god. Furthermore, I don't see certainty about everything (possibly because I like to explore the boundaries of our current knowledge and see the things we can't and may never be able to explain).

I am NOT saying that you're explanation is wrong, just under-developed (and using you as an example to make my point, don't hate me I think you're a bright poster unlike many I see)

Back to the main point: The Force was their 'god'. The Jedi were (some of) the high priests. They were the ones who through discipline or passion developed a deeper connection to that 'god'. The midiwatsis become the new high priests and bacteria as your high priest? I mean, really George? The saddest thing was that the whole thing was a McGuffin, so that George could develop his 'convergence of the force and the prophecy' line. It was made up off the top of his head, as someone else suggested, and it's an example of a really poor writing technique.

That pisses me off to no end.............

 

[Robert632]

I dislike midochloriens(or however it's spelt)because, to me at least, it felt like they pulled that reletivly useless bit of information out of thier asses.

 

[Captain Blackout]

*snip*

Not to be a ego freak, but you should look at my post on the subject before you say 'DONE!' It incorporates all of this and points out precisely why George did what he did and why it fails from a writer's perspective....

 

[driveBYargument]

I've got a new question now that we have the star war's fans attention.
Who shot first?

 

[Vault boy Eddie]

Cause it goes from a group of mythical beings to a bunch of dudes with genetical anomalies.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Kills the mystery. The mystery of whatever's inside JJ Abram's mystery box is worth more than whatever they could have put inside it at the carnival, for five bucks. In storytelling, there are certain mysteries you don't explain.

For example, compare how awesome Indigo Prophecy's setting was before they explain exactly what the big bad was. And introduced the purple clan. And explained what the purple can was. Sometimes a story's better with a little ambiguity, and less exposition.

Of course, that's not why I dislike the prequel episodes. It's just an annoying detail.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Cause it goes from a group of mythical beings to a bunch of dudes with genetical anomalies.

As I understand it Lee and Kirby developed quite the following from that premise. You make "genetical anomalies" sound like a bad thing.

Unless "genetical" is a mutation of the genitals. In which case, it probably is.

I've got a new question now that we have the star war's fans attention.
Who shot first?

Kirk.

 

[Susan Arendt]

Because it turns being a Jedi from a personal journey of self-discovery, discipline, and spirituality and turns it into an accident of birth. A strong Jedi is no longer someone with the stronger focus or will, just someone with more bugs in his blood. In short, it cheapens the mythology.

If you grew up on the first trilogy, you're more likely to hate midicholorians with a passion.

 

[JaredXE]

It's because now any joe from the streets can get a blood transfusion from a jedi and become Force-Sensitive. It lays a real-world concept (mitochondria) over a fantasy. Lucas pulled the curtain and made us look at the man behind it.

But I agree, midichlorians are less annoying than Jar Jar and Manakin.

And WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY less annoying than Lucas' dialogue.

 

[Soxafloppin]

It didnt really annoy me as much as it didnt interest me.

 

[CrysisMcGee]

Usually a little mystery is a good thing. Force Sensitivity was a large part of Knights of The Old Republic, 1 and 2, and there was no mention of midichlorians.

It keeps things interesting.

 

[Mr.Pandah]

It distracts from the magical, spiritual heart of the series, which is the victory of faith and uncertainty over cold mechanical oppression. If you want to see a religious subtext in this, go ahead.

It reduces a series that is totally about fantasy to plain logic, and by doing that, you make it boring. I mean, it's a series for escaping from this worlds certainty about everything into a world we can't explain!

In short:

It just makes them boring!

Pretty much this. When you first saw the movies (hopefully from 4-6 first, not the prequels), you saw a fantastic universe, made up of a whole ton of things that you didn't understand, but worked together. Everything meshed. You always wanted to know what was under those little Jawa's hoods, right? But I'm sure if you found out, you'd be more than just dissapointed. Same thing applies to the Force. It was some fantastical power that was granted to the chosen few. It was great to know that there was some kind of grander mystery out there. But then George went and said that this was just some biological component in some people. Wheres the fun in that?

 

[TheDrunkNinja]

You know what pissed me off about it the most? They just mention it once. They don't even explain shit about it. And then they never even talk about it ever again.

"Oh let's see, we need to get back to Naboo and participate in this huge battle for political dominance and--oh, and the Force is just microscopic bacteria. Alright, now that we've ruined everything you love about Jedi, let's get going!"

God, it's like a drive-by franchise murder.

 

[Captain Schpack]

Okay, here's something I've always wondered about. I'm not trying to troll here, but I was always confused about this and I'm hoping someone can clear the issue up for me.

I understand most of the reasons why people didn't like The Phantom Menace, except one. I've heard a lot of people get pissed about how The Force was linked to midi-chlorians, giving it a sort of biological explanation (i.e., Jedi can use The Force by communicating with the midi-chlorians, or whatever).

It seemed perfectly reasonable to me that there would be some kind of explanation for why some people are Force-sensitive while others are not. Yet, this seems to be one of the points of the film which generates the most ire from the fanbase.

So why all the rage over the midi-chlorians?

Being a not-so-attentive fan, I never had any issue with such an explanations. However, I did like it more when it wasn't explained with midi-chlorians. I did feel a bit of sadness and disappointment at that part.

 

[Zannah]

I've got a new question now that we have the star war's fans attention.
Who shot first?

Alderaan clearly.

That aside, am I the only person actually liking the prequels?

 

[Legion]

Like with a magician, knowing how the trick works takes all the excitement out of it.

To be honest it didn't bother me that much, but that's partly because I was never a huge fan of the series and partly because I was quite young when I saw Episode 1 so that kind of thing wouldn't have bothered me too much.

I could really care less about the midi-chlorian and Greedo-shot semantics. It's a movie.

Yet here you are in a discussion about it. Also it's "I couldn't care less".

 

[Littaly]

It's got to do with removing the mysticism behind it. I was never too fuzzed about it myself.

 

[driveBYargument]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-5-2010/george-lucas
Escapists.... This ^

 

[Baneat]

OIOIOI don't ruin it for me I deliberately abstained fromwatching the prequels cause of crap like this they put in that taints my impression of what happens in the regular trilogy.