A question for the female escapists....

[00slash00]

I don't like multiplayer, so CoD hasn't really had much to offer me. I enjoyed the single player of the first Modern Warfare game, but I also finished it in an afternoon. If Ghosts has a lengthy and satisfying single player campaign, I'll happily buy it

 

[Windcaler]

No they dont represent the end result of every sexual assault case and I never said they did. Nor did I miss your point but that point is irrelevant with the point Im making. My experiences represent the proper way to report those crimes through the proper channels while in the field and while in the rear. This comic insinuates that it is the commanding officer and only the commanding officer that soldiers report to which is false. When I was a soldier I had a squad leader above me, a platoon sergent above them, a platoon leader (an officer) above them, and finally my commanding officer. This was just in a company setting.

Going beyond the company setting each company commander had the battalion executive officer above them, and then the battalion commander above them. Going further each Battallion commander reported to the Brigade commanders and their executive officers. Finally there was headquarters where the post commander was and even the general of the army above them. This is whats called chain of command and even the way Ive represented it makes it seems a lot smaller then it really is

I doubt Ive read the report you mention (I no longer serve in the army) but unless it deals with the factual ways of reporting these crimes I suspect it is irrelevant to the point Im making.

 

[rbstewart7263]

I feel like my reasons for not enjoying CoD are quite shallow compared to the political conversation thus far, but no I'm not a big fan of CoD simply because I don't like the controls.

Also I've never really been a fan of online multiplayer. Co-op, yes, MMOs, yes but online multiplayer just puts me off. I know a bunch of women who do enjoy CoD though. They are much better gamers than me.

Thats probably a more sound reason than some. hating on cod is alot like hating on family guy these days. lol

 

[lunavixen]

Nope, I've never really liked call of duty, I mean i've played it, but after the first few games I gave up, it's just become so boring and samey, TF2 and UT are more my style.

It's more the multiplayer as i've run into quite a few idiots, and the single player campaigns are a joke.

 

[jehk]

This comic insinuates that it is the commanding officer and only the commanding officer that soldiers report to which is false.

I don't think the comic said that at all. It just said "don't expect them (the commanding officer) to be sympathetic".

 

[Raggedstar]

While I do like the addition of female soldiers in COD, it's not going to make me like or play any of the games. Hell, if anything was going to make me do it it would be playing as a dog, but that obviously didn't work.

Though I must say that it's not because I'm in the crowd of "COD sucks balls *continuous wailing*" or "COD is popular and therefore sucks". I just don't like military shooters in general (and not typically inclined to play multiplayer). Spec Ops: The Line was the only game in the genre I played, but naturally I played it for different reasons. It doesn't seem that fun to me as someone who prefers platformers and more story-driven, fantastical, and/or atmospheric shooters (like Spec Ops: The Line, Bioshock/Infinite, and The Last Of Us. Hell, I'm more likely to give Halo's solo campaign a shot). Also mix in the amount of toxicity in the multiplayer, even without the sexism.

 

[norashepard]

I like Call of Duty as a mindless run and gun kind of thing, and it certainly makes me feel really cool when I can clear a room without getting hurt like in an action movie. I get absolutely creamed in multiplayer, though, so the addition of lady soldiers doesn't really matter to me, though it is cool.

I really don't see why they can't just make the protagonists an option of male or female. They never talk, save for grunts and panting, and other people only ever refer to them as their rank or last name. The only extra assets to be added would be those sounds, and different hand models (unless they go the full armor route, and then not even that would be needed). I mean, it wouldn't make "Historically Accurate" sense to have a woman in a squad with all dudes, but since when does anybody care about that in Call of Duty?

 

[Maevine]

I tip my hat in respect to COD for finally introducing female soldiers, and, in fact, I would love to play their newest release~ I'm still absolutely sick of the over-saturation of modern military shooters in the gaming section, but hey, maybe it's finally time to put my old ps2 shooters away and upgrade to something a little newer. This game could be fun .w.

 

[Caiphus]

OP's cunning plan to get all the women on the Escapist into one thread is working out magnificently. Look at them all!

*swoon*

Well done OP!

Edit: And then two kiwi blokes in a row ruined it all.

 

[Abomination]

Not female, but damn your sexist polling!

I don't like the community and I haven't liked the CoD game since they left the World War II era. Not that I blame them but I just preferred fighting in real wars. I wish they would have explored other battlefields and allowed the player to fight as the Axis factions but I guess we'll just need to stastify ourselves with shooting either Russians or brown people.

 

[Windcaler]

This comic insinuates that it is the commanding officer and only the commanding officer that soldiers report to which is false.

I don't think the comic said that at all. It just said "don't expect them (the commanding officer) to be sympathetic".

It mentions no other authority figure besides the commanding officer which is even nebulous and ambiguous because the CO could be the CO of a company, battalion, brigade, military post, etc. It makes no mention of the military police (one of the most well known and important MOS's in all branches of military service). Thats a big problem for a comic that wants to say something. Its ok to make a point about sexual assault/harrassment in the military, its quite another to lie about how such things are reported or make lies of omission

 

[jehk]

This comic insinuates that it is the commanding officer and only the commanding officer that soldiers report to which is false.

I don't think the comic said that at all. It just said "don't expect them (the commanding officer) to be sympathetic".

It mentions no other authority figure besides the commanding officer which is even nebulous and ambiguous because the CO could be the CO of a company, battalion, brigade, military post, etc. It makes no mention of the military police (one of the most well known and important MOS's in all branches of military service). Thats a big problem for a comic that wants to say something. Its ok to make a point about sexual assault/harrassment in the military, its quite another to lie about how such things are reported or make lies of omission

So? Just because they don't mention other authority figures doesn't mean it denied they existed. You're reading way too into it.

It said "don't expect your commanding officer to be sympathetic". That's it.

 

[Tilted_Logic]

I've only ever played MW2, Black Ops and MW3. I enjoyed MW2, Black Ops was junk, and MW3 I really couldn't get into, simply because I had it on the ps3 and I have terrible aim with controllers.

I enjoy shooters, and MW2 was really my first time playing a multiplayer shooter. Getting a bunch of friends together and tearing it up on Highrise (or not.. you know, we had our days), was an utter blast. So yeah, I did enjoy the series once. But at this point I'm confidently saying I have no interest in purchasing anything else in the franchise. Heck, after Black Ops I swore off the series, until I was unfortunately coerced back in to buying MW3.

Regardless though, I am shocked and extremely thrilled to see a female in the franchise, and honestly, knowing how successful the games have been with their current formula, the fact they made an inclusion like this really gets some respect from me. But still, it's just one character, and heck, most multiplayer shooters could easily have had female counterparts by now. (Brink, why did you fail me?)
It's a good step though. I got just so tired of looking at those manly gloved hands when I played MW2.

 

[Abomination]

So? Just because they don't mention other authority figures doesn't mean it denied they existed. You're reading way too into it.

It said "don't expect your commanding officer to be sympathetic". That's it.

Until you read the final speech bubble of what the lady on the podium is saying...

"33% of victims don't report because their superior is a friend of the rapist. 25% don't report because he is the rapist."

He. Singular. One person. One superior. Who is your "superior" in a chain of command sense? The person you immediately report to. Now unless there's some crazy pyramid rape scheme going on in the military where every single direct superior and their direct superior of the women involves themselves in her rape to ensure there's nobody to report to the victim can always report her superior to THEIR superior or even the military police.

There's a reason why the military police operates as a separate branch, it's the avoid the very problems this comic claims are so prevalent. It's saying 58% (33% friend of accused + 25% accused and a person can't be friends with themselves) of direct superiors have a direct or indirect interest in ensuring the rapist is not prosecuted AND they're the only step of the procedure the victim can pursue in order to report the crime.

Even if the 58% was accurate (which is highly unlikely as both figures happen to equal 1/4 and 1/3) the victim's choices of avenues for justice are far, far more numerous than the comic implies.

 

[Windcaler]

This comic insinuates that it is the commanding officer and only the commanding officer that soldiers report to which is false.

I don't think the comic said that at all. It just said "don't expect them (the commanding officer) to be sympathetic".

It mentions no other authority figure besides the commanding officer which is even nebulous and ambiguous because the CO could be the CO of a company, battalion, brigade, military post, etc. It makes no mention of the military police (one of the most well known and important MOS's in all branches of military service). Thats a big problem for a comic that wants to say something. Its ok to make a point about sexual assault/harrassment in the military, its quite another to lie about how such things are reported or make lies of omission

So? Just because they don't mention other authority figures doesn't mean it denied they existed. You're reading way too into it.

It said "don't expect your commanding officer to be sympathetic". That's it.

When youre looking to inform and say something about the state of something telling a lie of ommission is still telling a lie. You misrepresent the reality of the truth your trying to reveal to others.

Like any comic interpretation is expected. You may look at it in a way that says "dont expect your CO to be sympathetic" but I see it as a smear job full of false logic, false information, and arguably a smear job against the armed services and how they handle sexual assault

 

[jehk]

This comic insinuates that it is the commanding officer and only the commanding officer that soldiers report to which is false.

I don't think the comic said that at all. It just said "don't expect them (the commanding officer) to be sympathetic".

It mentions no other authority figure besides the commanding officer which is even nebulous and ambiguous because the CO could be the CO of a company, battalion, brigade, military post, etc. It makes no mention of the military police (one of the most well known and important MOS's in all branches of military service). Thats a big problem for a comic that wants to say something. Its ok to make a point about sexual assault/harrassment in the military, its quite another to lie about how such things are reported or make lies of omission

So? Just because they don't mention other authority figures doesn't mean it denied they existed. You're reading way too into it.

It said "don't expect your commanding officer to be sympathetic". That's it.

When youre looking to inform and say something about the state of something telling a lie of ommission is still telling a lie. You misrepresent the reality of the truth your trying to reveal to others.

Like any comic interpretation is expected. You may look at it in a way that says "dont expect your CO to be sympathetic" but I see it as a smear job full of false logic, false information, and arguably a smear job against the armed services and how they handle sexual assault

You expect the comic to include the entire report on sexual assault in the US military that was released last may? Have you not read it? What's stated in that comic came directly from that report. I'm sure you can find it.

EDIT: I think this is the site: http://www.sapr.mil/index.php/annual-reports

Have you really not read the stats behind this? This is not just some anecdotal evidence. This is a serious study by the department of defense.

 

[Lissa-QUON]

Just dropping in to say "Never really played CoD - not my bag." The military thing - I dunno usually doesn't appeal to me. There's so much machismo and stuff inherent in the genre that I feel like it's Not For Me, I'm not invited and I frankly don't care. They can add a female avatar but it still doesn't make me want to play.

I'll stick with TF2, decent fan base, cartoon explosions, bright colors, and hats.

 

[Windcaler]

You expect the comic to include the entire report on sexual assault in the US military that was released last may? Have you not read it? What's stated in that comic came directly from that report. I'm sure you can find it.

EDIT: I think this is the site: http://www.sapr.mil/index.php/annual-reports

Have you really not read the stats behind this? This is not just some anecdotal evidence. This is a serious study by the department of defense.

No I havnt read it, nor will I because it has no bearing on the point I was making about reporting sexual assault through the proper channels. This comic can quote statistics verbatum and it will still have the same fundemental issues that I pointed out earlier. This comic insunuates that there is only one way to report these crimes and that reporting them will 1. Ruin your career 2. Be ingnored because the offender is their "CO" or a friend of them (completely dismissing professionalism). The fact is that MPs exist for a reason and this comic doesnt mention them at all. Neither does it mention the rest of the chain of command. Both groups of people can (and most likely will) investigate all accusations of any crime. This comic ommits that information

 

[jehk]

No I havnt read it, nor will I because it has no bearing on the point I was making about reporting sexual assault through the proper channels. This comic can quote statistics verbatum and it will still have the same fundemental issues that I pointed out earlier. This comic insunuates that there is only one way to report these crimes and that reporting them will 1. Ruin your career 2. Be ingnored because the offender is their "CO" or a friend of them (completely dismissing professionalism). The fact is that MPs exist for a reason and this comic doesnt mention them at all. Neither does it mention the rest of the chain of command. Both groups of people can (and most likely will) investigate all accusations of any crime. This comic ommits that information

I'm sorry but points 1 and 2 have happened to many people. It's well documented.

Both groups of people can (and most likely will) investigate all accusations of any crime.

MPs and COs aren't doing their job. Especially with sexual assault. Seriously. Read the report. There's a serious problem. The comic is not wrong.

 

[Windcaler]

No I havnt read it, nor will I because it has no bearing on the point I was making about reporting sexual assault through the proper channels. This comic can quote statistics verbatum and it will still have the same fundemental issues that I pointed out earlier. This comic insunuates that there is only one way to report these crimes and that reporting them will 1. Ruin your career 2. Be ingnored because the offender is their "CO" or a friend of them (completely dismissing professionalism). The fact is that MPs exist for a reason and this comic doesnt mention them at all. Neither does it mention the rest of the chain of command. Both groups of people can (and most likely will) investigate all accusations of any crime. This comic ommits that information

I'm sorry but points 1 and 2 have happened to many people. It's well documented.

Both groups of people can (and most likely will) investigate all accusations of any crime.

MPs and COs aren't doing their job. Especially with sexual assault. Seriously. Read the report. There's a serious problem. The comic is not wrong.

and back to square one. I dont have the patience to discuss a comic that does a smear job on a branch of the military while my point is constantly being ignored so Im walking away now