A rant: Knowing

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antipunt

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This is a rant on the movie Knowing. I want to say a (very important) message before I begin this rant: I have Christian friends. In fact I grew up in a church, so I very well understand a Christian mindset. Thus, I would heavily prefer this to not turn into a religious debate (AKA flamewar) topic.

That said, here we go.

I have no real problem with religion. That is, I do not desire to end it or anything along those lines. But what I hate is when religious people piss in my face (obviously, all my Christian friends are the kind/understanding type. Not the sign waving/televangelist rude-ones)

There's a movie called the Genius Club where at the VERY LAST 5 minutes of the movie, you find out it was a Christian movie in disguise. Christian movies in disguise have one message, whether people want to admit it or not: YOU'RE WRONG. REPENT SINNER OR YOU WILL BURN IN HELL.

Never have I seen a more overt example than the movie, Knowing, which is essentially like the Genius Club except more 'lolrapture'. At the very end of the movie
the world is engulfed in apocalyptic flames. The children are then taken to form a new human society (new adam and eve)
Now what this says to me essentially since I am agnostic is: 'repent or ya gonna pay in hell. Lulz'

Anything else is really just a euphemism. No one likes having this stuff shoved down their throats. I do my job as a respectful citizen with regards to other people's beliefs, and then certain Christians (I'm saying CERTAIN because my friends are all the kind type) ruin it for everyone. 'Knowing' is essentially a giant picket-waving radical-Christian in disguise. I know some passive-aggressive users are going to say: it's your job to look up reviews for these films. Well, I'm going to correct that now: your claim only holds weight to overtly-religious films. Knowing does a good job trying to disguise itself. And I got baited.

Even worse, I glanced on some respectful critic review sites (New York Post, Chicago Tribune, etc.) to find comments dissing their negative-reviews. (By the way, this movie for the most part received a C average in reviews, which is pretty bad). Some conservatives (below) are dissing milk because it is a homosexual-movie... no matter what people say, Milk is at -worst- a B movie (it has an A- average btw). And no, I am neither a liberal nor a homosexual...

The following are user comments that I found most annoying. They're in spoiler tags so you don't have to read them if you don't want to.

'Actually this was a good movie, quite entertaining, and the special-X great. Of course the gay infected San Fran Cron would not like this because of the lack of homosexual meaning like Milk. If your a normal hetrosexual person you will probably like this movie, Most folks from san fran sicko won't-that in itself is entertaining'

'What a big shocker somebody from California actually liking a religious Movie..it was not even religious! it was well done, it kept us on our toes the entire time and we had no clue what would happened next..the ending was just HUGE! it was magnificent..granted Nicholas cage has lost his appeal but the movie was AWESOME! Once the movie ended I knew it would get bad publicity from people like you in a state like yours I bet you gave MILK all thumps up in your hands and the toes in your feet..but this one is just down right laughable right? This movie had an awesome deep meaning and you missed it. Pretty sad really.'

tl;dr : there are two types of Christians. The kind/caring type (a few of my friends). And the annoying/in-yur-FACE ultra-conservative 'get mai shawtgun' types that really need to STOP their VERY annoying agenda. zomg, sometimes I feel so very alone. The Atheist-percentage in America is supposedly less than 10% T___T
 

NeutralDrow

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I, having no interest in the film in the first place, found out what it was about early on (and decided to avoid it; biology is my worst science, but my suspension of disbelief would have been...strained, to say the least). My parents, on the other hand, watched the film. According to my dad, it's worth it just to see the airplane crash scene, but the story itself was kind of weird.

I agree with you for the most part, though I anticipate interesting reactions in this thread, should it survive long.
 

Marv21

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I would agree to your Christain Architypes....but lets broaden them shall we
1. The Kind Caring Christain
2.The Ultra Conservative ones
3. The ones who Refute there religon after realizing how irrelevant it is in todays soceity
4. The Mix between the number 1 and number 2 who are kind and caring until they realize you are a jew...or gay....or Muslim....or all!

But I do hate Christain movies....except Bruce and Evan Almight...cept the last 5 minutes of each...but Last 5 min of Bruce was better Imo!
 

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See, you didn't mention the thing that really pissed me off about that movie. Admittedly, I came to the conclusion it was based on the bible about halfway through, so I had very little problem with the ending being biblical. The thing that annoyed me was that, if Mr. Cage hadn't found out about the aliens, nothing would have changed at all. The ending would have been exactly the same, he changed nothing.
 

antipunt

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WanderFreak said:
A deserved death, hers.
I'm not trying to be mean, just honest. My brother and I both laughed at that scene. It was HILARIOUS (her facial expression, acting, everything). I hated myself for chuckling, but it was involuntary. The other funny part was the flaming moose in slow motion. Damn, 10/10.
 

antipunt

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CountFenring said:
See, you didn't mention the thing that really pissed me off about that movie. Admittedly, I came to the conclusion it was based on the bible about halfway through, so I had very little problem with the ending being biblical. The thing that annoyed me was that, if Mr. Cage hadn't found out about the aliens, nothing would have changed at all. The ending would have been exactly the same, he changed nothing.
The irony of this is that the whole point of the movie was determinism lol. AKA no matter what you do, you cannot change the future. It's all written already.

Which is funny since Quantum Physics has already theoretically proven that determinism is false...
 

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TheNecroswanson said:
antipunt said:
tl;dr : there are two types of Christians. The kind/caring type (a few of my friends). And the annoying/in-yur-FACE ultra-conservative 'get mai shawtgun' types that really need to STOP their VERY annoying agenda. zomg, sometimes I feel so very alone. The Atheist-percentage in America is supposedly less than 10% T___T
What about me? I'm a kind of christian that doesn't fit either of those.
A liberal jerk?
 

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The movie only looked slightly interesting to me. The 'we're saving humanity from an apocalyptic state' kind of theme is getting very dull. Having some sort of religious message doesn't bother me too much, though I can't say for this movie. I don't plan to see it either way.

Regardless, the user comments provided by the OP did anger me quite a bit.
To say a person wouldn't normally like a movie because it lacks some sexual preference is idiotic. To suggest a person wouldn't like it because they are of a certain sexual preference is biggety.

The other comment just seemed... ignorant. And poorly written. Really, it was just so bad I don't have much more to say aside from that.

Is it only me, or has anyone else noticed an increase of religious documentaries/movies lately?
 

Sparrow

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I doubt the movie was trying to spoon feed you Christian motives. It probally just used them because it gives people something to relate to.

Next thing you'll be telling me FMA was secretly Christian too.
 

antipunt

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Sparrow Tag said:
I doubt the movie was trying to spoon feed you Christian motives.
Next thing you'll be telling me FMA was secretly Christian too.
You underestimate the fact that I was a Christian myself, thus, I can sniff out these things (once they've pulled the trap anyway). And uhh...FMA? No.

Anyways, let's not argue. I found this for you.

Carefully coded so as not to scare away secular audiences who just wanna see stuff blow up, this lugubrious thriller is still the closest Hollywood has come to addressing the question: What would a Christian apocalypse movie look like with a big budget, a talented director, and star power of higher wattage than a discount Baldwin brother?
http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-03-18/film/worst-christian-apocalypse-movie-ever-knowing/
 

IrrelevantTangent

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I believe I have just discovered a piece of fiction with anti-Christian sentiments more obvious than the His Dark Materials trilogy.
 

Jumping_Over_Fences

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Your first mistake was watching a Nicholas Cage movie.

I always go on rants after I watch one of his movies, you should have heard me after Ghost Rider.
 

MrBirdy

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antipunt said:
tl;dr : there are two types of Christians. The kind/caring type (a few of my friends). And the annoying/in-yur-FACE ultra-conservative 'get mai shawtgun' types that really need to STOP their VERY annoying agenda. zomg, sometimes I feel so very alone. The Atheist-percentage in America is supposedly less than 10% T___T
Move to holland, it's shown to have around 50% of people not believing in god =)!
 

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MrBirdy said:
antipunt said:
tl;dr : there are two types of Christians. The kind/caring type (a few of my friends). And the annoying/in-yur-FACE ultra-conservative 'get mai shawtgun' types that really need to STOP their VERY annoying agenda. zomg, sometimes I feel so very alone. The Atheist-percentage in America is supposedly less than 10% T___T
Move to holland, it's shown to have around 50% of people not believing in god =)!
Really? How high are your taxes, how corrupt is the political system, how cold is it, and how many jobs are available?