A serious question about trolling.

[DoPo]

the definition i've been able to put together from observation is that trolling is a form of using subversive language to redirect the feelings and opinions of another person.

its just used to redirect into anger for amusement. the type I'm referring to is redirection for the conference of information or solutions.

Well, that definition true to the same extend as "victim" just refers to person who has been around an accident. I.e, that's not the whole picture at all and it's very clear that trolling implies malicious intent.

what I'm noticing is that you are trying to swing the conversation back around towards the abstract concept of trolling where I'd presume that regular people have better understanding of how things work and I'm trying to swing it back around to the concrete definition side of things because that's where I've got a stronger grounding.

"Abstract" and "concrete" definitions? Really? Trolling is called when somebody tries to provoke others. That's all the definitions of it. That's concretely how people use it, not an "abstract" idea somebody came up with one day out of the blue. The behaviour they try to provoke is anger, same with the actions. It's not "guiding" people in general. The same way "kill" and "murder" are distinct, "troll" and...whatever definition you use, are different.

 

[DugMachine]

I hate arguments where someone starts insulting the other party. Even if it's in the most subtle way possible that person is just stroking their own ego and grasp on vocabulary to insult the other person.

 

[Metalchic]

the definition i've been able to put together from observation is that trolling is a form of using subversive language to redirect the feelings and opinions of another person.

its just used to redirect into anger for amusement. the type I'm referring to is redirection for the conference of information or solutions.

Well, that definition true to the same extend as "victim" just refers to person who has been around an accident. I.e, that's not the whole picture at all and it's very clear that trolling implies malicious intent.

what I'm noticing is that you are trying to swing the conversation back around towards the abstract concept of trolling where I'd presume that regular people have better understanding of how things work and I'm trying to swing it back around to the concrete definition side of things because that's where I've got a stronger grounding.

"Abstract" and "concrete" definitions? Really? Trolling is called when somebody tries to provoke others. That's all the definitions of it. That's concretely how people use it, not an "abstract" idea somebody came up with one day out of the blue. The behaviour they try to provoke is anger, same with the actions. It's not "guiding" people in general. The same way "kill" and "murder" are distinct, "troll" and...whatever definition you use, are different.

the idea is not to provoke anger, why does everyone keep coming back to this the idea is to provoke frustration that when snapped back out of the other party realizes their own position better.

if something is seriously frustrating then the adult thing to do is to remove yourself from the frustrating stimulation and think about what it is that's making you frustrated, if the other party becomes genuinely angry then I've failed.

 

[DoPo]

the idea is not to provoke anger, why does everyone keep coming back to this the idea is to provoke frustration that when snapped back out of the other party realizes their own position better.

Everyone comes back to that, because that's what "trolling" means. And I've been trying to explain it, when you threw that "abstract definition" thing, so I had to explain it again.

if something is seriously frustrating then the adult thing to do is to remove yourself from the frustrating stimulation and think about what it is that's making you frustrated, if the other party becomes genuinely angry then I've failed.

And if we both lived in the same world, you'd know as well as me that this happens with a frequency hovering around "never". As evidence, I give you the human history, when people have done incredibly dumb things even though they were wrong. Also, conspiracy theories. There are people out there, who are adults, who are also smart, who also believe these things. Including the guys who believe the world is flat and NASA is trying to keep that fact hidden.

 

[Metalchic]

Also, conspiracy theories. There are people out there, who are adults, who are also smart, who also believe these things. Including the guys who believe the world is flat and NASA is trying to keep that fact hidden.

there's a reason i stopped believing I'm human a while ago and dedicated myself to attempting to study them.

Everyone comes back to that, because that's what "trolling" means. And I've been trying to explain it, when you threw that "abstract definition" thing, so I had to explain it again.

and yet despite me outright asking for one no one has purposed a better name for it.