A small theory on the Wonder Woman movie.

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So there's a new trailer.


Mostly the same footage with a few extra scraps. Looks alright. Some pretty kickass shots in there. Hopefully we can get at least one decent movie out of DC before they sell the rights to Marvel or something.

Anyway, I noticed something. She's always wearing those bracers. Like, always. Even when she's just hanging about on No Boys Allowed Island. Even when she's a kid.

Combined with the she's-more-than-she-knows hints in previous trailers, I'm betting that they're some kind of power suppressing device.

Is that part of her lore/origin in the comics? I'm given to understand that her various possessions and items of apparel are actually pretty key in at least some versions of her story.
 

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There was some pretttttty old stuff about them being 'bracelets of submission' or some such. Back in the days when she was a walking bondage fantasy. So it could be a homage to that?
 

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There is a scene from Brian Azzarello's New 52 Wonder Woman series that would seem to suggest exactly that. I understand this is the version of the character mostly being used as reference for the film.



For as iconic a character as Wonder Woman is a lot of the finer details of her origin and character don't seem to be as set in stone as her contempories like Batman or Superman.
 

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undeadsuitor said:
Sometimes she's a bastard daughter of Zeus.
Moviebob had a theory that they were going to go with her being the daughter or Ares in the movie.

Pure speculation, but he backed it up pretty well.

I hope he's wrong though. Don't really need yet another superhero with daddy issues.
 

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Zhukov said:
Mostly the same footage with a few extra scraps. Looks alright. Some pretty kickass shots in there. Hopefully we can get at least one decent movie out of DC before they sell the rights to Marvel or something.
There was. It was called Batman v Superman and it was better than anything that came out in the genre for the better part of a decade.

And that is totally a hill I'm willing to die on.
 

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PsychedelicDiamond said:
Zhukov said:
Mostly the same footage with a few extra scraps. Looks alright. Some pretty kickass shots in there. Hopefully we can get at least one decent movie out of DC before they sell the rights to Marvel or something.
There was. It was called Batman v Superman and it was better than anything that came out in the genre for the better part of a decade.

And that is totally a hill I'm willing to die on.
Dying on that particular hill is no longer an option. It's been reduced to an open cut mine. You'd be dying in a lifeless valley of shale and slag.

...

Okay, I'll stop torturing that poor metaphor now.
 

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PsychedelicDiamond said:
Zhukov said:
Mostly the same footage with a few extra scraps. Looks alright. Some pretty kickass shots in there. Hopefully we can get at least one decent movie out of DC before they sell the rights to Marvel or something.
There was. It was called Batman v Superman and it was better than anything that came out in the genre for the better part of a decade.

And that is totally a hill I'm willing to die on.
You've seen Avengers 1, right? It's literally the movie DC wanted to make but instead made their own, shittier version and called it Batman V. Superman
 

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DrownedAmmet said:
PsychedelicDiamond said:
Zhukov said:
Mostly the same footage with a few extra scraps. Looks alright. Some pretty kickass shots in there. Hopefully we can get at least one decent movie out of DC before they sell the rights to Marvel or something.
There was. It was called Batman v Superman and it was better than anything that came out in the genre for the better part of a decade.

And that is totally a hill I'm willing to die on.
You've seen Avengers 1, right? It's literally the movie DC wanted to make but instead made their own, shittier version and called it Batman V. Superman
Nope. That was Suicide Squad. Which is a movie the critics were absolutely right about, it's an almost comically inept movie.

Batman v Superman was, if anything, an attempt to make Watchmen for a modern audience, with more iconic characters. And all things considered it didn't do a bad job of it. It's flawed, sure, but eventually people are gonna start to appreciate it for what it was doing.

I mean, I get why it was divisive, sure did a lot of stuff that would throw off many fans of the previous depictions these characters had but I didn't feel like it did any of these things just for the sake of being different. Some of the stuff they did with Batman and Lex Luthor is, honestly, extremely inspired. I have some issues with its portrayal of Superman (Mostly that he lacks scenes where he's interacting with people other than Lois) but nonetheless it's a pretty impressive movie.
 

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PsychedelicDiamond said:
DrownedAmmet said:
PsychedelicDiamond said:
Zhukov said:
Mostly the same footage with a few extra scraps. Looks alright. Some pretty kickass shots in there. Hopefully we can get at least one decent movie out of DC before they sell the rights to Marvel or something.
There was. It was called Batman v Superman and it was better than anything that came out in the genre for the better part of a decade.

And that is totally a hill I'm willing to die on.
You've seen Avengers 1, right? It's literally the movie DC wanted to make but instead made their own, shittier version and called it Batman V. Superman
Nope. That was Suicide Squad. Which is a movie the critics were absolutely right about, it's an almost comically inept movie.

Batman v Superman was, if anything, an attempt to make Watchmen for a modern audience, with more iconic characters. And all things considered it didn't do a bad job of it. It's flawed, sure, but eventually people are gonna start to appreciate it for what it was doing.

I mean, I get why it was divisive, sure did a lot of stuff that would throw off many fans of the previous depictions these characters had but I didn't feel like it did any of these things just for the sake of being different. Some of the stuff they did with Batman and Lex Luthor is, honestly, extremely inspired. I have some issues with its portrayal of Superman (Mostly that he lacks scenes where he's interacting with people other than Lois) but nonetheless it's a pretty impressive movie.
Nope, Suicide Squad was their attempt at Guardians of the Galaxy, what with the pop music and the whole "bunch of assholes coming together for a common cause" shtick.

B v. S was totally trying to ape Avengers, it even had the iconic superhero line up scene that Avengers did better. But it was more a setup for their actual Avengers movie which is Justice League

(Sorry for hijacking the thread, I'm excited for the Wonder Woman movie it looks like it could be a lot like the first Captain America movie which would be great. I really hope it's actually good)
 

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I'll be happy if Wonder Woman isn't just the miserable messy pile of failure and shit all the leaks say it is.
 

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I honestly know nothing about WW so I'm going to come in and watch this with an open mind as opposed to Batman/Superman/xmen movies. I'm kind of excited to be honest as I can watch it fresh.
 

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Looks at thread...

Um, guys? If we're going by comparisons, wouldn't it be:

-Justice League = Avengers
-Batman v Superman = Civil War
-Suicide Squad = Guardians of the Galaxy
-Wonder Woman = Captain America (first one)?

I will say that while I'm not that fond of the MCU, Civil War is still better than BvS, and while I probably enjoyed Suicide Squad more than Guardians, Guardians is still the better film out of the two.
 

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Hawki said:
Looks at thread...

Um, guys? If we're going by comparisons, wouldn't it be:

-Justice League = Avengers
-Batman v Superman = Civil War
-Suicide Squad = Guardians of the Galaxy
-Wonder Woman = Captain America (first one)?

I will say that while I'm not that fond of the MCU, Civil War is still better than BvS, and while I probably enjoyed Suicide Squad more than Guardians, Guardians is still the better film out of the two.
Please, to all the GODS PLEASE don't let Wonder Women be the abomination that was Captain America. Let it be Suicide Squad or Bats vs Supes. Or even Howard the duck. Anything but Captain America 1
 

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Zhukov said:
So there's a new trailer.


Mostly the same footage with a few extra scraps. Looks alright. Some pretty kickass shots in there. Hopefully we can get at least one decent movie out of DC before they sell the rights to Marvel or something.

Anyway, I noticed something. She's always wearing those bracers. Like, always. Even when she's just hanging about on No Boys Allowed Island. Even when she's a kid.

Combined with the she's-more-than-she-knows hints in previous trailers, I'm betting that they're some kind of power suppressing device.

Is that part of her lore/origin in the comics? I'm given to understand that her various possessions and items of apparel are actually pretty key in at least some versions of her story.
It is part of the Lore. The Amazons, as a memory of the time they were captives of Hercules (a bad dude), wear bracers. Basically, when they were all in chains, Amphrodite or Hera (I can't remember which) came down to break their chains, but left the metal on their arms. In the original comic, there was a girdle around the waist too which grants some kind of honesty based power, but that's been written out for the most part because BDSM weirds the kids out these days. Also, because Wonder Woman's origin story gets reinvented every few years, some iterations have her earn the braces as a reward for becoming the Amazon's champion, which might be the angle they are going for here too.
 

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PsychedelicDiamond said:
DrownedAmmet said:
PsychedelicDiamond said:
Zhukov said:
Mostly the same footage with a few extra scraps. Looks alright. Some pretty kickass shots in there. Hopefully we can get at least one decent movie out of DC before they sell the rights to Marvel or something.
There was. It was called Batman v Superman and it was better than anything that came out in the genre for the better part of a decade.

And that is totally a hill I'm willing to die on.
You've seen Avengers 1, right? It's literally the movie DC wanted to make but instead made their own, shittier version and called it Batman V. Superman
Nope. That was Suicide Squad. Which is a movie the critics were absolutely right about, it's an almost comically inept movie.

Batman v Superman was, if anything, an attempt to make Watchmen for a modern audience, with more iconic characters. And all things considered it didn't do a bad job of it. It's flawed, sure, but eventually people are gonna start to appreciate it for what it was doing.

I mean, I get why it was divisive, sure did a lot of stuff that would throw off many fans of the previous depictions these characters had but I didn't feel like it did any of these things just for the sake of being different. Some of the stuff they did with Batman and Lex Luthor is, honestly, extremely inspired. I have some issues with its portrayal of Superman (Mostly that he lacks scenes where he's interacting with people other than Lois) but nonetheless it's a pretty impressive movie.
Nobody. NOBODY (except DC fanboys), is going to ever appreciate what BvS was trying to do because BvS was a terrible movie. There is no hidden depth to the movie or underrated creative genius. It's simply a bad movie, a follow up to a just as bad stand alone Superman movie.
 

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maninahat said:
It is part of the Lore...
I meant specifically the notion of her bracers being used to contain her "true power" or somesuch.
 

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Zhukov said:
maninahat said:
It is part of the Lore...
I meant specifically the notion of her bracers being used to contain her "true power" or somesuch.
Oh, er, not that I know of. I think in the comics they are of practical use only (they don't break). Then again, this movie has already transplanted everything to WWI for some reason, so they could full well make something up. Although they might just be of symbolic piece of warrior uniform that people don't want her to have.
 

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Zhukov said:
Anyway, I noticed something. She's always wearing those bracers. Like, always. Even when she's just hanging about on No Boys Allowed Island. Even when she's a kid.

Combined with the she's-more-than-she-knows hints in previous trailers, I'm betting that they're some kind of power suppressing device.

Is that part of her lore/origin in the comics? I'm given to understand that her various possessions and items of apparel are actually pretty key in at least some versions of her story.
It is a thing in the comics, particularly the Azzarello run, as was pointed out by another poster. But the earliest versions of Wonder Woman had her kryptonite factor be the fact that she lost her powers if she was ever bound (WW was invented by a BDSM fan [https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/matriarchal-utopia-bondage-fetish-feminism-wonder-woman-999]). The idea that the bracers serve as a power limiter is a very nifty way of adopting that otherwise-difficult bit of history into the modern-day character, and you are certainly not the first one to notice that.

I recommend Grant Morrison's Wonder Woman: Earth One, which directly addresses the symbolism of the bracers and the lasso, and which plays on the concept of willingly submitting yourself to a higher authority. Not in the sense of submitting to a dominatrix necessarily, but more in the sense of submitting to a moral principle that binds your actions and makes you less powerful than you actually are. Restraint as a virtue, essentially.

Zhukov said:
undeadsuitor said:
Sometimes she's a bastard daughter of Zeus.
Moviebob had a theory that they were going to go with her being the daughter or Ares in the movie.
The Azzarello run had Ares basically acting as a foster father to her anyway.

I prefer if they keep it vague, to be honest. The Azzarello run got a lot of flak because of the "Diana, Zeus is your father" moment, but I actually liked it; it prompted a very mythologically accurate story about Hera seeking revenge-by-proxy for her husband's infidelity, which led to some interesting character development on the part of Diana, Ares, and Hera over thirty-odd issues. (Hera learns "maybe I shouldn't blame the women my husband seduces for my husband's fidelity," Ares learns "maybe war isn't all it's cracked up to be," Diana learns "maybe violence is sometimes necessary to prevent violence.")

oRevanchisto said:
Nobody. NOBODY (except DC fanboys), is going to ever appreciate what BvS was trying to do because BvS was a terrible movie. There is no hidden depth to the movie or underrated creative genius. It's simply a bad movie, a follow up to a just as bad stand alone Superman movie.
It's not that bad....honestly, it gets more hate than it deserves.

It was just poorly edited, poorly paced, and - most importantly - underwhelming. It was a movie about Batman fighting Superman; people were expecting something that would blow them out of their underpants. What they got was a solid 5/10 (8/10 for the extended cut, IMO).
 

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It is part of the Lore. The Amazons, as a memory of the time they were captives of Hercules (a bad dude), wear bracers. Basically, when they were all in chains, Amphrodite or Hera (I can't remember which) came down to break their chains, but left the metal on their arms. In the original comic, there was a girdle around the waist too which grants some kind of honesty based power, but that's been written out for the most part because BDSM weirds the kids out these days. Also, because Wonder Woman's origin story gets reinvented every few years, some iterations have her earn the braces as a reward for becoming the Amazon's champion, which might be the angle they are going for here too.
Interestingly enough, there is other pop culture precedence for the "we wear bracers to remember our bondage" thing. In the movie Krull, one of the main characters is an escaped convict, and he's still got his manacles on. At the end of the movie, the new king gives him a key, to which the convict says "Only the king and his high marshall carry that key." To which the kind goes "Yeah, that's right." Implying, for his acts of bravery and courage in the movie, he is promoting the man to high marshall. He takes the key, and position, but says the he's going to keep wearing the manacles, as a reminder.

So yeah, I could totally see that being a legit part of their culture, partly as a reminder of their history, and also as a badge of honor.

The question though is, are all of the Amazons in the movie wearing them? Or is it just Diana?