A Terabyte of Piracy Ain't Art
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Nope, that's certainly not art, even if the artist is trying to send a message about the availability of data. Tacking a message on to your lack of creativity or skill does not make what you do art.
It's about the equivalent of breaking down a wooden door in order to send a message about the quality of its hinges.
It's about the equivalent of breaking down a wooden door in order to send a message about the quality of its hinges.
Is there a button I can press to nominate this as the 'post of the year'?questionnairebot said:
Considering there is a back and forth debate on not only if the piece is art, but also what the artist was trying to say, it seems to be tilting towards art as I understand it. I don't really like the idea behind it, but it does make a person think, if only they take a moment to contemplate it.
Which would be fantastic if it was indeed just breaking the rules of the forum.GeorgW said:
However....
It's a clear link to illegal pirate software.
They can break the rules of their own forum until the cows come home (always found that an amusing saying) however this not only advertises piracy but send you right where to get it from.
Considering people get a warning for saying "I downloaded a pirate game" yet this sends you right to a page where you can download it.
I'd say that more than breaks the rules and enters a very delicate line balancing on the legal scale don't you agree?
Or is it perfectly okay for them to link to pirate software?
There are certain times when it's applicable for them to bend or break their own forum rules but when it verges on the illegal .. i.e a direct link to pirate software .. then it's a bit different.
For more, "Really? This is art?" fun, investigate John Cage's "4 minutes, 33 seconds."Greg Tito said:
One could also interpret this as a piracy-sympathetic message centered on the greed of the software companies. Perhaps the comment being made is, "Really? The crap on this one little machine is allegedly worth $5 million?" (Incidentally, I think that particular message would be full of crap. It just happens to be a valid interpretation.)Princess Rose said:
And even if this is an anti-piracy message, this doesn't change the fact that this artist is contributing to the problem. That would be like protesting the death penalty for murderers by calling the folks that execute them "murders" and saying they should be put to death.
What we can agree upon, though, is that what constitutes 'art' is very subjective and personal. I see little reason to turn our noses up at people who disagree about something's artistic value. They may know very well 'what they're talking about,' and they're judging by different criteria than you.
It is a kind of neat idea I think, but I also must agree that it is lazy downloading big packages of stuff instead of handpicking it more carefully
But maybe they should have "edited" out the links that take you straight to Piratebay, no?GeorgW said:
I did say they were treading a fine line and this one looks to me like quietly promoting piracy.
Now read into it what you will but when I see an Escapist poster linking directly to pirate software be it for a story or not then either way they can no longer take the moral high ground with regards to piracy mentioned on this site.
The better option would have been for them to not run this post at all then all this would have been avoided.
For the most part, that was a well put-together post. Impressive analysis. However, not all of it rubs me the right way.Princess Rose said:
This statement genuinely angers me. I won't insult you for it, but I'll try to explain my anger.Princess Rose said:
Art isn't science. There is no clear interpretation of it. There is no correct understanding of it. That's what makes it art.
If he thinks there is no artistic merit to this piece, he isn't wrong. You're not wrong for thinking there is, either.
While I agree with you that this maybe shouldn't have been posted as an article, as it more seems like an opinion piece, the fact remains that he's linking to a source material, which in turn links to piracy. If I quote Fox news as a source for an article that does not mean I agree with everything they've ever stated.Rawne1980 said:
that is the worst phrase I think could be said when talking about art. I mean someone somewhere, out of the near 7 billion people on this planet, will always find something to be art. They might think the Big Mac is a work of art or that murdering people is an art form or they may look at smearings of feces on a wall to be a form of art. I don't like art when people are willing to accept anything and everything.Greg Tito said:
Did you ever stop to think about maybe it is the intellectual process behind it that makes it art?Greg Tito said:
Maybe he spent countless hours having an active intellectual thought process before he decided that this was going to be his next piece.
A little black box, allegedly worth $5 million.
That is called making a statement, and I happen to find it very thought provoking.
And if I remember correctly, this is one of points of art in the first place.
Now I don't really get why Van Gogh is considered to be a great artist, in fact I find his paintings to be bizarre and weird, but I don't go around bashing him and calling him lazy and his art worthless.
I think this whole article is in bad taste to be honest.
Yeah, it's art.
It's just hack art, that is a pile of shit.
Remember kids: If the creator says it's art that means it's art.
That, however, doesn't mean it's good or took skill or should be given an ounce of respect.
Just because you don't want something to be art doesn't mean it isn't.
It's just hack art, that is a pile of shit.
Remember kids: If the creator says it's art that means it's art.
That, however, doesn't mean it's good or took skill or should be given an ounce of respect.
Just because you don't want something to be art doesn't mean it isn't.