I reckon get a universal money system, like credits in Mass Effect, it would be awesome and the crdits will be stored in a chip in your arm that you can scan to buy stuff....just like ME.....mass effect
A World Without Currency
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Current populations require credited reward. A world without 'currency' (assuming you also mean the removal of commodity trading and other liquid assets in lieu of currency) is a world in which all order has been removed...
Current populations require credited reward. A world without 'currency' (assuming you also mean the removal of commodity trading and other liquid assets in lieu of currency) is a world in which all order has been removed...
While it sounds nice and punchy, you're very overtly simplifying. What is hippy "nonsense" exactly? Long live what capitalism? How do you determine rewards? How do you determine equal worth? Did that get us here? Why will it continue to drive us? Is it taking us to places we want to be? Can other paths be more desirable?AccursedTheory said:
Capitalism as a theory makes statements about property, not about competition, rewards or values. Bunching things lump sum may be satisfying, but it's also very misleading and confusing and, I would argue, best avoided.
And in a more general note, money does not by itself motivate people; it's the combination of a practical tool with the social benefit of status.
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Matsjo
The assumption that people will 'do what needs to be done' without rewards is hippy nonsense (Well, probably not really HIPPY, but nonsense itself).TheMatsjo said:
As for capitalism... its a system that allows for the private ownership of business, with the intent to make profit. The rewards, competition, and values are inherent. I don't think I should have to explain anything about that to you.
In fact, I'm pretty sure you're just being difficult, probably because I was offensive (How this escaped the mod that haunts me, I'll never know).
Enlighten me if I'm missing this part of the thread where someone claimed that people should just be nice and get along (paraphrasing)? I had gained the impression that it was a thought experiment about how a world without currency would work. Not being facetious here.AccursedTheory said:
Those values are not inherent at all, they are the result a of a very long and complex process in human development and culture. In fact, there is a continual debate and struggle concerning all kinds of aspects within this capitalist framework. Wishing to bunch these aspects together under a "capitalism" umbrella is, again, convenient but not accurate.
To give you an example of what I meant with my questions in my previous post: you can argue that some things exist only DESPITE of capitalism, rather than because of it, such as civil rights, social security and public services. These are in direct conflict (not opposition I recognize) with the bottom line, which is what forces capitalism into ever higher degrees of production.
I have no intention of being difficult, only honest and as thorough as I can manage.
The part I'm going to assume I agree with you is that people won't "just" help each other if only we would give them/ourselves the space to do it. We want a motivation to step outside of our comfort zone, I would go as far as to say that if there weren't any rewards to doing so, we would let each other rot as much as we could get away with. Of course that isn't the case, so we cooperate. I don't believe that love will conquer all or that singing songs and fornicating will get us out of any jam. I must add however, that money is not the be-all end-all of motivators, not by a long shot.
Cheers.