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EdForever

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right by abnormal gamers i mean people who are disabled like a guy i used to race remote controled cars with years back, he only had one hand his right arm ended about 2 inches below his elbow but this never stoped him racing with the best of us, he just used a 8 channel stick rather than 2 of the 2 channel stick like most of us used.

my abnormality as far as gaming goes is that i have double jointed thumbs and so have a lack of control compared to most people when thumbs are strait. this means that most of the time i hold the ps2 controler diffrenetly exspecially in fighting games. most games this is no problem at all accept for one game when u needed to use the X O square and triangle buttons as well as the right shoulder pads.
other things i have problems with is the n64 controler trying to use there analogue stick is near impossible i either cannot grip it well enough to be accurate or if i use the end of my thumb have minimal control of accrucy.

a console i did like was the wii whilst i think i would get bored of it if i brought one there good fun and i would say are rather abnormal gamer friendly


during the development of controlers for consoles looking at what they produce it seems to me that abnormalitys really arnt considered that much even some thing as minor as my double jointed thumbs can make some controlers hell. its a real shame i lost contact with my mate with one arm as i would like to see what consoles he can use effectivly i imagine if there was a left handed version of the ps2 controller so he could use his half arm on the analogue stick driving games would be much more possible for him or even enabling accelerate and break to be on the left shoulder pads would make it possble although i dunno how easy to use.

so does any one know some gamers with abnormalitys and how they cope?
or know any thing about companys and there look into this area when creating consoles etc?
 

mintfresh

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Really!? I have double jointed thumbs, and yet I've never had a problem with any controller. Being double jointed shouldn't make your thumbs weaker, nor give you less ease of movement/control.Also, there are companies who do (or at least used to) make one handed controllers (http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/1/AGS/AGS-onehand/dragonplus.htm).

Also, 'abnormal' seems a really offensive way to describe disabled people, why didn't you just say 'disabled'?
 

JimboG

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I don't think he means abnormal in the way they are, rather he means abnormal in the way they play games and the hardware they use to do it.

I have seen a few companies over the years, but they don't last due to the lack of customers. Many people have modified their own controllers to fit their needs (one guy did it with meccano), so perhaps you could search around for that sort of thing.
 

Zetim

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i don't really know anyone personally who's got a abnormality when it comes to gaming. but one of my friends said that his clan leader in socom or some sort of fps game was a paraplegic, and used to play with his chin/mouth/tongue only. and not only did he play well, he was damn good. Im not sure if he had some sort of attatchment on the controller for the buttons to be a bit more uniform to his specific problem.
 

EdForever

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mintfresh first off i didnt mean to be offensive at all i did actully think of saying disabled instead of abnormal but i really dont think my thumbs class me as disabled.
disabled if you break down the word means none able and whilst i do a few things diffrently im still able. i went with abnormal as that would break down to none normal and as i was told that only 5% of people are double jointed that would make us a minority and not the normal.
i dont think either word fits perfectly but i think abnormal or none normal would describe my thumbs better.

the link you provided was quite interesting never seen that before but it looks like it was made by another company rather than the console creators, so do they just leave it to other companys as theres little market for it

just wondering 2 things really do u use the end of ya thumb (where ya fingerprint is) to press things on controlers etc or like me use the joint about a inch or so from the end of ya thumb (the bit thats double jointed)?

and also how far does ya thumb go back as this would change a few things i assume. with out assistance my thumb can do a 90 degree angle and when hard pressure is needed (oviously not needed for gaming) this is where i find i can apply reasnable force. with assistance from my other hand i can make it so my nail is pratically parallel with the 3rd bone down ya thumb starting from your finger nail end (so it doubles back on its self).

once again im sorry if i offended but i prefer to think of my thumbs as abnormal than disabled

upon reading my post again i really should have reworded my first line of
"right by abnormal gamers i mean people who are disabled" to some thing more on the lines of
"by abnormal gamers i include people who play games diffrently to the standard way" but that still dont sound quite right
 

Hey Joe

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I was born with a lack of fine motor skills, and had to undergo therapy for about 3 years. That is to say that if you get a row of coins and lay them flat on the table, it'll take me considerably longer than the average Joe to turn them all over. Yes, it is quite the miracle that I'm typing right now.

I haven't found any particular hindrance in gaming and the console controllers, apart from not being able to move to each button at the speed of light (or indeed the unencumbered). On the question of gaming controllers, I've found the XBOX360 controllers (we're talking controllers with buttons) to be the most well designed I've experienced. This is because once you have your hands on the controller, there is very little movement needed to get to one particular button to the next.
 

Break

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One of my oldest friends was born rather prematurely, and as such, has very weak control over his muscles. In practise, this means that he moves slowly, shakes a lot, and has to use a wheelchair. He's also been gaming for years. He mostly plays hack-and-slashers, Dynasty Warriors-style affairs, and he does so very well. He stays away from FPS', as the finesse required for dual thumbstick control is beyond him. Funnily enough, the energetic stick-waggling that's inherent in the Wii's "everbody can play" ethos is somewhat counter-productive in his case.

Edit: Huh. Now that I think of it, he sounds oddly similar to Hey Joe. It'd be an interesting coincidence if they had the same problem.
 

Fire Daemon

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I heard that at MLG someone plays using his face with a specialy made 360 controller. Just a rumour though.
 

Hey Joe

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Break said:
Edit: Huh. Now that I think of it, he sounds oddly similar to Hey Joe. It'd be an interesting coincidence if they had the same problem.
No, I'm not in a wheelchair. I don't actually have a disease per se, I was just born without good fine motor skills. So I can do everything a 'normal' person can do but when it comes to doing something small like picking up a coin off the ground, or gaming I can have some trouble.
 

mintfresh

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EdForever said:
just wondering 2 things really do u use the end of ya thumb (where ya fingerprint is) to press things on controlers etc or like me use the joint about a inch or so from the end of ya thumb (the bit thats double jointed)?

and also how far does ya thumb go back as this would change a few things i assume. with out assistance my thumb can do a 90 degree angle and when hard pressure is needed (oviously not needed for gaming) this is where i find i can apply reasnable force. with assistance from my other hand i can make it so my nail is pratically parallel with the 3rd bone down ya thumb starting from your finger nail end (so it doubles back on its self).
My thumbs can also bend 90 degrees back without assistance, but can't go as far as yours when pushed (but then they can't go that far forward either)
 

the_carrot

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some copypasta

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,6491.html

OCZ NIA use your face to play
Written by Andreas G 07 June 2007 20:04

OCZ Neural Impulse Actuator (NIA) is just as spaced out as it sounds as you can send commands to your PC by making a certain face. NIA is a headband with three electronic sensors that can convert brains signals to commands in games. OCZ presented its NIA controller at Computex and over at Hexus they stopped by to see how well the technology really works. Even though it may sound rather tricky and absurd, the NIA concept seem to work quite well and just be moving your jaw you can various commands to the computer. Something they tested in Unreal Tournament 2004.

"Loading up Unreal Tournament 2004, I had my jaw set for run forwards with a tighter clench for jumping and a glance to either right or left for straffing left or right. Now I must admit that I thought this was going to be damn near impossible to use and more fiddly than useful but I was actually surprised at how easy and accurate it was."

We're not sure how far OCZ is planning to take NIA, but we have to admit that there are some very interesting uses for it

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I read an article about this thing a while back, when the Computex convention was going on. It's interesting, people are developing tools for people with disabilities and eventually I don't think it will matter much.
 

Break

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Hey Joe said:
Break said:
Edit: Huh. Now that I think of it, he sounds oddly similar to Hey Joe. It'd be an interesting coincidence if they had the same problem.
No, I'm not in a wheelchair. I don't actually have a disease per se, I was just born without good fine motor skills. So I can do everything a 'normal' person can do but when it comes to doing something small like picking up a coin off the ground, or gaming I can have some trouble.
Ah, fair enough, then. It would've been quite a coincidence, anyway.
 

Hey Joe

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more copypasta

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9503E5DB173AF936A25751C1A9649C8B63

A little off topic, but this thread got me thinking about the therapeutic use of video games and simulators.
 

Spleenbag

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JimboG said:
I don't think he means abnormal in the way they are, rather he means abnormal in the way they play games and the hardware they use to do it.

I have seen a few companies over the years, but they don't last due to the lack of customers. Many people have modified their own controllers to fit their needs (one guy did it with meccano), so perhaps you could search around for that sort of thing.
I remember there was some guy who got Dugg a while ago who was soon going to start selling one-hand controllers.
 

squirrelman42

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I sprained my ankle last spring and I played Dance Dance Revolution with my crutches once or twice.
 

noradseven

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I know someone who could play smash with only one hand pretty well too, and most DS games are playable with one hand trust me
Me walking to class.

reading Book in right hand
playing Phoenix wright for DS in left hand.
Listing to Dragonforce on my Ipod in pocket.