Abortion Doctor found guilty of murder following late-term abortions

[Arbi Trax]

So I picked this story up on the BBC today for the first time (it hasn't been big news until recently). Needless to say it caught my eye. For those interested the link is

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22518979

For the briefest synopsis:

- A doctor was found to have performed late-term abortions by delivering babies alive, then severing their spinal cord with scissors, killing them.

- His practice was staffed by unqualified people, and was kept in a filthy condition, with a raid turning up foetal remains stored in bags and bottles.

- He has been found guilty of 3 counts of murder, and may face the death penalty.

- Heads have been rolling at the State health authority, because they did not inspect these premises EVER, in their 15 years of operation.

- A debate is now raging in the US (apparently) as to whether this demonstrates the barbarity of a pro-abortion stance, or whether this provides a cautionary tale of what might happen more often if regulations are tightened and women are forced to visit unlicensed practitioners.

I'm submitting what I know without comment, and will keep my opinion to myself. What do you think about this? Has it affected your opinion on the issue of abortion legislation? The death penalty? The state of Pennsylvania? The fact that a 1000-word article can be written on abortions and the women affected by this man's actions are barely mentioned?

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Disgusting. I'm all for abortion, but killing the poor thing AFTER it's been born is just monstruous. I mean you already gave birth, what's stopping you from delivering it to an orphanage?

 

[NightmareExpress]

Disgusting. I'm all for abortion, but killing the poor thing AFTER it's been born is just monstruous. I mean you already gave birth, what's stopping you from delivering it to an orphanage?

Evidently, a pair of scissors.
Apologies, that was a horrible, horrible remark.

This isn't at all a demonstration of how pro-abortion is barbaric.
No, this is a demonstration of a sick individual doing sick things within a sick environment.
Just as a chef can cook up domestic pets that they found and serve them to unwitting customers, just as someone can walk into school with a multitude of firearms. Those aren't normal actions for your typical restaurant or school, and they most certainly aren't normal people doing the action.

But what I find most asinine of all, is the defense lawyer in this case.
In 2009, the man's grossly under-qualified staff administered a lethal dosage of a drug to a patient.
The lawyer states that it was "medical complications", implying that it was a regular procedure undertaken by a staff with credentials and an unforeseeable tragedy that occurred. But in reality, it just malpractice and criminal negligence. For this case, the lawyers are stating that it is simply due to the doctor's ethnicity that he was targeted with charges.

What in the actual fuck.
Have they done a comparison between a qualified abortion clinic and this grizzly shack?
Have they seen the results of the "doctor's" work? Have they heard him describe his procedure?
It sometimes boggles my mind the shit that lawyers will say to get paid.

 

[Quaxar]

The attorney branded prosecutors "elitist" and "racist" for pursuing his client, who is black.
That's the most disturbing part actually.

Yeah, he disregarded hygiene, professional standards, abortion laws and killed kids with brutal methods but they're just after him because he's black!

 

[bojackx]

This story is much worse than what I had imagined from the title. I thought he was just aborting them after the legal deadline (3 months or something? I really don't know), but this is just sick. Livestock for slaughter get more humane deaths than this.

I'm all for abortion, but this sounds more like childbirth followed by blatant murder. Like someone else said, is taking them to an orphanage really that difficult?

 

[Relish in Chaos]

Wait, so this isn't abortion at all. Misleading title is misleading. -_-

 

[Queen Michael]

Wait, so this isn't abortion at all. Misleading title is misleading. -_-

Well, it's a retroactive abortion.

 

[ACuddlyRat]

Yup Chaos is right, this would just fall under murder.

 

[krazykidd]

Disgusting. I'm all for abortion, but killing the poor thing AFTER it's been born is just monstruous. I mean you already gave birth, what's stopping you from delivering it to an orphanage?

Wait wait . You do realise that the women that wanted an abortion went there ? So they wanted the baby aborted . He just used questionable methods of getting it done . He's no monster , it's not like he did anything without the mothers consent .

OT: i don't think he should be accused of murder . Maybe malpractice . But not murder . And even less have the death penalty . But americans love killing, and babies . So all the " OMG THEIR JUST BABIES" people are going to want the death penalty , and call this guy a monster .

 

[aba1]

Disgusting. I'm all for abortion, but killing the poor thing AFTER it's been born is just monstruous. I mean you already gave birth, what's stopping you from delivering it to an orphanage?

Evidently, a pair of scissors.
Apologies, that was a horrible, horrible remark.

This isn't at all a demonstration of how pro-abortion is barbaric.
No, this is a demonstration of a sick individual doing sick things within a sick environment.
Just as a chef can cook up domestic pets that they found and serve them to unwitting customers, just as someone can walk into school with a multitude of firearms. Those aren't normal actions for your typical restaurant or school, and they most certainly aren't normal people doing the action.

But what I find most asinine of all, is the defense lawyer in this case.
In 2009, the man's grossly under-qualified staff administered a lethal dosage of a drug to a patient.
The lawyer states that it was "medical complications", implying that it was a regular procedure undertaken by a staff with credentials and an unforeseeable tragedy that occurred. But in reality, it just malpractice and criminal negligence. For this case, the lawyers are stating that it is simply due to the doctor's ethnicity that he was targeted with charges.

What in the actual fuck.
Have they done a comparison between a qualified abortion clinic and this grizzly shack?
Have they seen the results of the "doctor's" work? Have they heard him describe his procedure?
It sometimes boggles my mind the shit that lawyers will say to get paid.

I agree with most of this just the part about the lawyers. Don't get mad at them get mad at the people who don't use their heads when listening. It is their job to defend things they themselves might not necessarily agree with and it is only fair that everyone gets to defend themselves and see who is right and wrong based on that. If we let only one side have a lawyer to defend themselves with imagine how one sided and messed up the court system would become.

 

[BOOM headshot65]

I thought he was just aborting them after the legal deadline (3 months or something? I really don't know)

In the US? For most places, its 7 months (!), or at the start of the 3rd Trimester. Some states have tried to make it less.......few have succeeded. Because if you try? Congradulations, you have won infinite lawsuits from every pro-abortion group in the country!

OT: Good, and I hope he swings for it. This is one of the times that I can say clearly that the death penalty is completely justified.

 

[Arakasi]

Since the baby was actually delivered, this is not an abortion more than it is infanticide. This is one issue that I happen to agree with Peter Singer on, I'll just leave it at that.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

Sounds like a pretty shitty trailer park.

 

[Signa]

So where's the charges against the mothers for accessory to murder? I've got no problem with someone realizing they aren't prepared to bring a life into the world, because the last thing we need is to spread more misery to yet another life, but bringing the child to term to kill it sounds more like a snuff fetish than a humane/coldly practical act.

 

[BathorysGraveland2]

Well, I fully support abortion, even after the so-called deadline. But once the baby is actually out and into the world, then it's no longer simple abortion in my eyes but murder. Murder with a just cause? Perhaps. But murder all the same. I don't believe in the death penalty though, it disgusts me more than this story does. So I do not believe he should receive it, not at all.

 

[Something Amyss]

No inspections? What is this Texas?

Of course not. That's one field they actually inspect in Texas!

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

It's actually disgusting that they didn't notice that kind of act going on let alone not inspecting that area for 15 years and even then he gets the death penalty whereas other people who have committed all sorts of murderous acts simply get life or even less than that... why is the justice system so fucked up?.

 

[Marcus Kehoe]

Oh god, this actually made me physically sick.

 

[JoJo]

Well, I fully support abortion, even after the so-called deadline. But once the baby is actually out and into the world, then it's no longer simple abortion in my eyes but murder. Murder with a just cause? Perhaps. But murder all the same. I don't believe in the death penalty though, it disgusts me more than this story does. So I do not believe he should receive it, not at all.

Surely it's only the age and development of the foetus or baby that matters when it comes down to whether killing them is right or wrong though? Whether it's inside or outside the mother is simply a matter of geography after-all, even if the law puts some arbitrary importance on that.

OT: I don't think this guy should be charged with murder, I'd prefer a manslaughter charge for the woman who he overdosed and some lesser charges for the babies he illegally aborted and the general state of his clinic. That said, I won't feel too sorry for him being sent away for a very long time, assuming they don't sentence him to death since that is overkill.