Absurdly fast internetconnection - Why the hell for?

[josemlopes]

For porn, bro.

I jest, it is very important for gaming though. Not entirely for downloads but for some online games that are more complex the need for a better connection is needed, most games dont need a very big internet speed now but if you never upgrade yours you will notice that you will eventually fall behind

 

[Realitycrash]

Well, honestly, when it comes to the people I know (i.e young men and women), that is pretty much the only reason they would want it (gaming not included).
Sure, there are certainly those who DO use it for other reasons, but I just pointed out that the average use for the average user prooobably isn't buying a movie now and then, or streaming..

Prejudice like that is why the majority of us have to put up with shit like SOPA. People assume EVERYONE ON THE INTERNET is a damned dirty pirate, guilty until proven innocent comes into play, and it's a huge clusterfuck.



Like I said, it's stupid to assume that everyone who wants that large a connection is a pirate. Just because your friends are pirates doesn't mean everyone else is.

No, not everyone, but as I stated: I am an avid online gamer, and I did just fine with my 25mbit line. More than fine, actually. It was smooth. I questioned that the hell an average, non-online gamer would ever need with a 100mbit line, especially since buying books, music and movies aren't that widespread, and ESPECIALLY since it seems to be fairly quick either way (though people do tend to complain no matter how short the timespan is).

And I've already said a family of five can slow your 25mBit connection to an absolute crawl without even trying.


It's been explained to you several times now how a family could utilize such a connection without piracy, yet you stubbornly cling to your incorrect assumption and based-on-absolutely-nothing views. Sigh. Here's a flash that sums up my final thoughts on the matter, don't bother replying I won't read it.

dagobah.biz/flash/Facepalm.swf

Haha what the fuck? A tad antagonistic, are we?
Well, there's one angry person in every thread.

 

[MrTub]

Alright, I'm aware that the US has some rather (extremely) crappy broadband infrastructure, so I can see why you would want somewhat faster and cheaper, but bear with me.

Erhm. So my broadband-provider called today out of the blue and asked me if I was pleased with my current service (25mbit/sec for 29Ea month, around 38 USD or so). I confirmed that I was, and braced myself to ignore a pointless salespitch. Well, the pitch didn't come. Instead, the man in the phone said that they would be upgrading me to 100mbit/sec, four times as fast, if I just signed up on their website and confirmed.
"What's the catch?" I asked.
- "No catch, we're just upgrading our infrastructure and your apartment-building happens to be one of the first to have it installed. It's the same price as before.
" Uh, so 100/mbit a sec for 30E?"
- "Yes."
-" Okeeey..."

Holy crap, it's that fast in Sweden?! At home, I'm lucky to get 2 Mbps!

Dude, I know you can't read this but..http://www.comhem.se/comhem/bredband/bredband-tvahundra/-/736040/736040/-/index.html?cid=keybroker&gclid=CJ2qqoOJ5a4CFQJYmAodCXGhvg

200mbits (i.e twice as fast as I have now, and eight times as fast as I had yesterday) if I just want to pitch in another 19E (25 USD).

http://www.bredbandsbolaget.se/bredband/hastighet/bredband1000/index.html

1gbit/s for 899kr[101euro](a bit pricy but you can probably find it cheaper from other companies)

1gbit, sheesh, that's just overcompensating for something..

Or you simply want fast internet? =)

I personally know three people that has 1gbit and one of them got it included in his rent.

I am baffled what uses someone could necessarily see in a 1gig-line, but some people do like the best of the best, no matter if it is necessary (I have a similar friend, actually, but he games online).

Well all of them has backup/ftp servers and sometimes put up servers for games. The reason I would like to get 1gbit is simply cause I download a lot of stuff since I delete everything that Im not using and even with 100mbit it takes up to 15-20min to download big games.

I'm sorry, but I couldn't help but chuckle when you said "15-20min".
"Oh no, what to do!"
I remember back when you had 56k modems and downloaded the Doom 2 Demo..It took two hours <3

I do also remember when we didnt have broadband and I had to use modem, I also remember when we got 2mbit and then 8mbit and then 100mbit.

And like I said, I like fast internet and I do not want to wait for something to finishing downloading so therefor I would/and other people are willing to pay extra for to get fast internet. And Im happy that people are willing to do that otherwise we could still be using modem since that was enough for some people.

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

My internet is 30/5 right now. It more than suits my needs. It is basically the tier 2 of internet service where I am. I don't like waiting a long time for downloads. I generally get frustrated when I get slower than 2mb/s download speeds.
I also can't stand online lag, especially since I play SF4 online and the tiniest bit of lag kills me.

 

[Realitycrash]

You know, I can imagine that if you have say a family of four, all using the internet at the same time, streaming/gaming, it would slow things to a crawl. Perhaps I just haven't experienced many people using such services at the same time, especially streaming. I honestly don't think it has caught on with the wider public so much that an average-family does it at the same time.

 

[Realitycrash]

Alright, I'm aware that the US has some rather (extremely) crappy broadband infrastructure, so I can see why you would want somewhat faster and cheaper, but bear with me.

Erhm. So my broadband-provider called today out of the blue and asked me if I was pleased with my current service (25mbit/sec for 29Ea month, around 38 USD or so). I confirmed that I was, and braced myself to ignore a pointless salespitch. Well, the pitch didn't come. Instead, the man in the phone said that they would be upgrading me to 100mbit/sec, four times as fast, if I just signed up on their website and confirmed.
"What's the catch?" I asked.
- "No catch, we're just upgrading our infrastructure and your apartment-building happens to be one of the first to have it installed. It's the same price as before.
" Uh, so 100/mbit a sec for 30E?"
- "Yes."
-" Okeeey..."

Holy crap, it's that fast in Sweden?! At home, I'm lucky to get 2 Mbps!

Dude, I know you can't read this but..http://www.comhem.se/comhem/bredband/bredband-tvahundra/-/736040/736040/-/index.html?cid=keybroker&gclid=CJ2qqoOJ5a4CFQJYmAodCXGhvg

200mbits (i.e twice as fast as I have now, and eight times as fast as I had yesterday) if I just want to pitch in another 19E (25 USD).

http://www.bredbandsbolaget.se/bredband/hastighet/bredband1000/index.html

1gbit/s for 899kr[101euro](a bit pricy but you can probably find it cheaper from other companies)

1gbit, sheesh, that's just overcompensating for something..

Or you simply want fast internet? =)

I personally know three people that has 1gbit and one of them got it included in his rent.

I am baffled what uses someone could necessarily see in a 1gig-line, but some people do like the best of the best, no matter if it is necessary (I have a similar friend, actually, but he games online).

Well all of them has backup/ftp servers and sometimes put up servers for games. The reason I would like to get 1gbit is simply cause I download a lot of stuff since I delete everything that Im not using and even with 100mbit it takes up to 15-20min to download big games.

I'm sorry, but I couldn't help but chuckle when you said "15-20min".
"Oh no, what to do!"
I remember back when you had 56k modems and downloaded the Doom 2 Demo..It took two hours <3

I do also remember when we didnt have broadband and I had to use modem, I also remember when we got 2mbit and then 8mbit and then 100mbit.

And like I said, I like fast internet and I do not want to wait for something finishing downloading so therefor I would/and other people are willing to pay extra for to get fast internet. And Im happy that people are willing to do that otherwise we could still be using modem since that was enough for some people.

Well, fair enough. Hopefully cloud-computing will catch on soon then, so that we can get more use of the infrastructure than just downloading things really fast.

 

[Realitycrash]

Don't be rude?
As I clearly stated, the average person isn't a gamer, and won't be using Steam, not will the average person (as of yet) often buy ANY large file online, at least not where I live, where piracy is pretty everyday.
My point was that even for someone who want to "buy a movie online", 100mbit seems rather overkill, considering how rare it is.

And my point is that it's stupid to assume everyone who wants a big connection is a damned dirty pirate. There's plenty of legit, non-gaming uses for such a connection, and I'd bet good money the majority of people who would want such a tube are perfectly legit with what they download.

Well, honestly, when it comes to the people I know (i.e young men and women), that is pretty much the only reason they would want it (gaming not included).
Sure, there are certainly those who DO use it for other reasons, but I just pointed out that the average use for the average user prooobably isn't buying a movie now and then, or streaming..

Ever heard of Netflix?

Just sayin.

Yes, and A: it isn't available in my country (nor is any similar service that I am aware of) and B; Streaming doesn't seem to be very popular, even for those that are aware of it (again, where I live).
I do hope it catches on, though.

 

[thenumberthirteen]

Personally the reason I'd want 4 times my current internet speed (averages at about 6-7Mbit/s) is so that means I could download a game from Steam, video chat with my friends, and do so while my parents watch a streaming movie downstairs. It's bandwidth. You can do more things at once.

 

[MrTub]

Don't be rude?
As I clearly stated, the average person isn't a gamer, and won't be using Steam, not will the average person (as of yet) often buy ANY large file online, at least not where I live, where piracy is pretty everyday.
My point was that even for someone who want to "buy a movie online", 100mbit seems rather overkill, considering how rare it is.

And my point is that it's stupid to assume everyone who wants a big connection is a damned dirty pirate. There's plenty of legit, non-gaming uses for such a connection, and I'd bet good money the majority of people who would want such a tube are perfectly legit with what they download.

Well, honestly, when it comes to the people I know (i.e young men and women), that is pretty much the only reason they would want it (gaming not included).
Sure, there are certainly those who DO use it for other reasons, but I just pointed out that the average use for the average user prooobably isn't buying a movie now and then, or streaming..

Ever heard of Netflix?

Just sayin.

Yes, and A: it isn't available in my country (nor is any similar service that I am aware of) and B; Streaming doesn't seem to be very popular, even for those that are aware of it (again, where I live).
I do hope it catches on, though.

You can use voddler which is similar to netflix and it exist several mediaboxes that you can buy and use to stream tv shows/movies with.

 

[Something Amyss]

As far as I know, at least from what I can tell from the people I know, piracy is far more widespread than buying books/music/television online. It might be because of where I live, but in Sweden it is so popular that the government, in order not to alienate young voters, said it wouldn't want to "criminalize a youth-movement" (i.e they called pirating a youth-movement).
So even if it is true that you CAN, I just can't think of that many people (non-gamers) that do buy big files that take time to download.
Of course, there are some. I just can't see the "average internet-user" being one that regulary buys DVD's, music and television. Not here. Not where I live.

It might because of where you live, but it's still hard to deny that digital services have been rising steadily for the last decade and will eventually gain complete prevalence over physical media. Hell, Steam continues to see EXPONENTIAL growth...Oh, wait, you don't count gamers.

Well, that's convenient, I guess. I'm sure that all the other major rises (iTunes, Amazon's download services/cloud, etc) can now all be discounted because they're gamer related or something. It's kind of a "No true scotsman" fallacy in itself.

 

[MrTub]

Don't be rude?
As I clearly stated, the average person isn't a gamer, and won't be using Steam, not will the average person (as of yet) often buy ANY large file online, at least not where I live, where piracy is pretty everyday.
My point was that even for someone who want to "buy a movie online", 100mbit seems rather overkill, considering how rare it is.

And my point is that it's stupid to assume everyone who wants a big connection is a damned dirty pirate. There's plenty of legit, non-gaming uses for such a connection, and I'd bet good money the majority of people who would want such a tube are perfectly legit with what they download.

Well, honestly, when it comes to the people I know (i.e young men and women), that is pretty much the only reason they would want it (gaming not included).
Sure, there are certainly those who DO use it for other reasons, but I just pointed out that the average use for the average user prooobably isn't buying a movie now and then, or streaming..

Ever heard of Netflix?

Just sayin.

Yes, and A: it isn't available in my country (nor is any similar service that I am aware of) and B; Streaming doesn't seem to be very popular, even for those that are aware of it (again, where I live).
I do hope it catches on, though.

No Netflix in Sweden?

Well regardless, the average net user in most other countries does use some sort of streaming application atleast now and again.

Like I edited into my other post.

That's pretty common these days. So is the use if iPlayer, ITVplayer, 40D, Sky online, itunes, amazon and a whole host of other applications and sites that allow the majority of net users to download and stream movies, music and TV programs.

I'd say about 90% of my friends use atleast 3 of those on a regular basis.

Edit: Also Last FM. I probably use that more than my own music collection these days.

Yeah kinda sucks that we do not have it, doesnt help either that everything is released after the season is already done which means a lot of people download stuff simply cause people cannot be bothered to wait 3+ months for to next season to be released.

 

[redisforever]

Well, at the moment, my internet is quite shit. It was good in the morning, and now, downloading Journey on PSN is taking forever. 88MB downloaded in an hour and a half. Also, Battlefield 3 is unplayable because of the lag. So, fast internet is good because it works, I hope.

 

[Realitycrash]

Don't be rude?
As I clearly stated, the average person isn't a gamer, and won't be using Steam, not will the average person (as of yet) often buy ANY large file online, at least not where I live, where piracy is pretty everyday.
My point was that even for someone who want to "buy a movie online", 100mbit seems rather overkill, considering how rare it is.

And my point is that it's stupid to assume everyone who wants a big connection is a damned dirty pirate. There's plenty of legit, non-gaming uses for such a connection, and I'd bet good money the majority of people who would want such a tube are perfectly legit with what they download.

Well, honestly, when it comes to the people I know (i.e young men and women), that is pretty much the only reason they would want it (gaming not included).
Sure, there are certainly those who DO use it for other reasons, but I just pointed out that the average use for the average user prooobably isn't buying a movie now and then, or streaming..

Ever heard of Netflix?

Just sayin.

Yes, and A: it isn't available in my country (nor is any similar service that I am aware of) and B; Streaming doesn't seem to be very popular, even for those that are aware of it (again, where I live).
I do hope it catches on, though.

No Netflix in Sweden?

Well regardless, the average net user in most other countries does use some sort of streaming application atleast now and again.

Like I edited into my other post.

That's pretty common these days. So is the use if iPlayer, ITVplayer, 40D, Sky online, itunes, amazon and a whole host of other applications and sites that allow the majority of net users to download and stream movies, music and TV programs.

I'd say about 90% of my friends use atleast 3 of those on a regular basis.

Edit: Also Last FM. I probably use that more than my own music collection these days.

True, there are plenty of streaming going aroind, but how much bandwith does it really take?
I guess some families could potentially use the 'with, but I can stream several things just fine with my old "limited" connection.

 

[Mr Jack]

Demand for bandwidth will go nowhere but up. May as well upgrade now right?
Currently, most people do not require a 100Mbit connection, but streaming, gaming and downloading are becoming more popular all the time. have you considered that many people would stream more content if they were able? On YouTube, even "1080p" videos have a lot of compression to make them stream faster, as does Netflix. As more media is delivered over the internet, higher bandwidth will allow the use of higher fidelity codecs.

 

[Realitycrash]

As far as I know, at least from what I can tell from the people I know, piracy is far more widespread than buying books/music/television online. It might be because of where I live, but in Sweden it is so popular that the government, in order not to alienate young voters, said it wouldn't want to "criminalize a youth-movement" (i.e they called pirating a youth-movement).
So even if it is true that you CAN, I just can't think of that many people (non-gamers) that do buy big files that take time to download.
Of course, there are some. I just can't see the "average internet-user" being one that regulary buys DVD's, music and television. Not here. Not where I live.

It might because of where you live, but it's still hard to deny that digital services have been rising steadily for the last decade and will eventually gain complete prevalence over physical media. Hell, Steam continues to see EXPONENTIAL growth...Oh, wait, you don't count gamers.

Well, that's convenient, I guess. I'm sure that all the other major rises (iTunes, Amazon's download services/cloud, etc) can now all be discounted because they're gamer related or something. It's kind of a "No true scotsman" fallacy in itself.

Sigh. I didn't count gamers because they don't represent even close to a sliver of the population.
All the other causes can fairly be counted with (unless they are equally rare), and even if I agree that it is on the rise, and will probably explode in the future, the average-internet user most likely does not use those services often enough to merit such alarge broadband. Once again, where I live.
However, as has been pointed out, if an entire family uses these services at the same time, it might be warranted.

 

[Jowe]

I guess for people who download all of their games digitally via Steam, D2D, Impulse etc. it's really handy. Also two or three of my friends are in game design and are frequently downloading eachother's work, usually rather large files.

Sure it's situational, but the only reason there isn't an application for it yet is because it's not widespread enough. Once the whole world it operating at these speeds there'll be more uses for the speed.

Wait, Doesn't Steam limit connection speeds to 2 meg, because that's all i got when downloading games, and i have a 14meg connection.

Also, I believe certain sites put a cap on download speeds if I'm not mistaken.

Ok, there is quite a large difference between Mb/s (Megabits per second) and MB/s (Megabytes per second). Mb/s is what most ISP's advertise as their download rates, while steam uses MB/s. the difference between these is to do with how a computer stores information, in strings of eight bits (1's and 0's), which form a Byte, normally in computer storage things are referred to in Bytes. actually forget this

TL;DR : your download speed in things like speedtest.net etc will be about eight times the steam download rate, give or take.