AC4... Am I being overly sensitive?

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You know, I get what you're saying. I live in Texas. Gun capital of the country that founded gun culture. And I enjoy shooting, as a skill. I enjoy living in a country where I can keep and maintain my firearms as I see fit (responsibly, naturally). Bottom like, I like guns.

But I have never sought out to shoot anything that wasn't a threat. I lived on a small farm growing up and often had to deal with "varmits" that were threatening our livestock or poultry. It was a case of either kill the intruding pest, or lose part of an investment that helped sustain us. Not a hard choice in theory, but I never did it out of joy and always hated having to do it. Even shooting a snake wasn't something I wanted to do, I just didn't want my baby chicks to be his lunch when their eggs would someday provide my breakfast and food for my family.

Now as an adult I can compartmentalize a game where hunting is involved. It's pixels and polygons, not living breathing creatures. But I don't think it's wrong to be uncomfortable with a hunting side quest in a game. Red Dead had this as well, and while I did do them and likely will do the hunting when I play AC4 on my PS4, I think it's enough to note to yourself just how lucky we are to live in times when we do not have to do this for basic survival. When as young men and women, part of our education does not involve learning to clean an animal we've killed before we can eat it. Many people even choose a vegetarian lifestyle if it better fits their outlook. You'd never hear a pioneer saying "I don't eat meat", you'd just have a hungry brat who was "too good" for their family's hard won bounty from the land.

It's easy to forget how fortunate we all really are sometimes.
 

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Gronk said:
So i'm playing Assassins creed and really enjoying it, what can i say, it's pirates with broadsides and the works, really well made too. Yay.

But I just can't bring myself to do the animal hunting stuff. Shooting helpless deer or harpooning giant beautiful whales.. I just can't do it. It just feels so wrong!

Now I know there's a lot of killing people in the game, but somehow that's an entirely different matter to me. The people you kill have guns and attack you and everything. Shooting animals just feels like shooting fish in a barrel. Pointless, cruel and just.. unnecessary. I don't even know why anyone would even put it in a game?

Is it just me? Am I being overly sensitive here?

Just wondering 'cause i don't know really.
Normally I'd say yes as it's just a game and no actual animals are being harmed, just like I would say about killing your fellow human beings in game. However, oddly enough I've been playing Skyrim lately and while I have no trouble hunting deer and elk, and those damned annoying wolves for hides, I've found I absolutely refuse to hunt foxes. So I guess to each his own.
 

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Most games that involve killing people require you to do so in order to stay alive. Even if they haven't attacked you yet, most of the time they would if they spotted you, or else they are the enemy but do not know who you are (assassination targets for example).

Killing an animal involves taking the life of something that intends you no harm, so it isn't all that strange that you'd find it more disturbing. Even with animals such as wolves, that kind of thing is instinct and hunger rather than malice, they don't attack for any other reason than their own survival.
 

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The game allows you to avoid such hunting by giving you the option to just buy the resources animals yield in local fishing shops.
Understandably you would feel a little discomfort. I was not prepared to do any whale hunting on it until last night where i pushed past my ethical beliefs. I went for a white whale as it was the first opportunity that appeared, however, soon did i realise that me and sharp stick vs large whale does not end well for me (with hardly any hunting upgrades bought for fairly obvious reasons). This only led me to become more determined which led to even more failure. Now me and that whale have a bit of a rivalry going on and i STILL haven't caught the bloody thing!!

And...that was the end of my previously held moral high-ground.

So, yeah...it's just your personal ethics, which can change at any time for any reason.
Lastly, I think there was much less of a Whale-watch or RSPCA animal protection society influence back in that era. Most people were under the impression that anything not human, does not feel. Unless it was their pet dog, snuffles
 

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trty00 said:
Not really. Animals don't have a grasp on ethics and morals like we do, they operate on instinct. Animals won't just hurt you out of spite and cruelty, humans on the other hand...
This just isn't true, some animals can be very cruel and spiteful. My mother has 7 cats and certain ones will get all pissed off if you bug them and attack the first cat who walks by, that seems pretty cruel to me, taking out ones anger on the first innocent passerby. You can't really call it instinct because other cats won't do this no matter how much you annoy them. Or how about how cats will kill things just for the fun of it and not even eat what they've killed? And it's not even a clean kill, they play with it first, torturing it. That doesn't seem so innocent to me. Animals have a wide range of personalities just the same as humans do, so some animals are more cruel and spiteful than others.
 

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I don't think that's wrong. I don't mind the hunting in AC4, but I was occasionally sad at gunning down animals in Far Cry 3. Everyone has different buttons that they don't like pressed. For example look at the review for GTA 5 on this website. That game seemed to get marked down because the reviewer wasn't too keen on playing as really bad guys, and that's a legitimate criticism, as it does take away from one's enjoyment, your issue with hunting is the same thing.
 

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Stu35 said:
Why are you people so against clean burning lamp oil? (first person to get the reference without google wins).
Archer. Sterling Archer. I forget which episode, but I think it was either the one where he and Lana are in the swamp, or the Sea Tunt two parter.

OT: I admit, the whaling is something I had reservations about, however, after seeing it in action I actually really like what they did with it. Don't get me wrong, it's disturbing, but I feel like it was MEANT to be disturbing. Between the copious amounts of blood and the way they haul it up afterwards, it really makes you feel it.

I honestly feel like presenting it the way they do makes a much more powerful anti-whaling message than excluding it would have.
 

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It all depends on the context for me. I had no problem hunting in Far Cry 3, but I don't enjoy it nearly as much in AC4.
 

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Stu35 said:
Why are you people so against clean burning lamp oil? (first person to get the reference without google wins).
Archer

OT: If it isnt any different from the last game then you dont have to. There, problem solved!
 

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Ive been playing for a while now and frankly i have no sympathy for the large cats in the game, those guys are dicks
 

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wombat_of_war said:
its got whale hunting? wow thats disturbing. think they just lost a sale with that
It's also got racism in it. And Piracy. Y'know, cos it's set in 1715. When that stuff happened. There's loads of bad stuff that was historically accurate throughout the series, pillaging, raping, stealing, racism, sexism, indoctrination through religious brainwashing, incest and a whole host of other things.

Oh and they've all got brutally murdering people in them and a ton of other bad stuff.

Don't...really see how Whale hunting is the thing that everyone's getting up in arms about.

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In my personal opinion, yeah, I do think you are being oversensitive. However, if it does make you uncomfortable, that's your business and you should proceed to play the game however you see fit. I never did feel worse about killing animals over killing humans in games. I guess I just place more importance on our species than others. Plus, whaling was a more common practice back in those days, as they were used for lamp oil. As such, it makes sense that they would include it for historical accurateness.
 

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synobal said:
wombat_of_war said:
its got whale hunting? wow thats disturbing. think they just lost a sale with that

Ya I dunno why Ubi included it. You're playing as a pirate, shouldn't he be I dunno pirating? Attacking other whaling ships and stealing their valuable whale cargo? rather than going through the effort of actually doing the work himself? It just doesn't make a lot of sense for me.
The whaling part was meant to be brutal and make you feel bad. i remember an interview with one of the lead devs saying that they wanted to show the brutality of the time and the lifestyle and whaling was a big part of this as it was one of the main fuels of the era.
But i haven't bought it yet(BECAUSE ITS NOT OUT ON PC) so i don't know if hunting has importance to the story but if like in AC3 it was just to earn money i would just avoid it again.
 

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For all their "true to history" "multicultural team of many faiths and please don't get angry at us" handwave, Ubi Montreal's games are pretty fast and loose with history, despite creating settings seeking to emulate it.

To be upfront, I haven't played any since AC3, which had some fucking whacked out misrepresentations of the details of revolutionary war... Stuff that I don't think can be chalked up to their alternate history authorial intent, so much as poor or absent research. It got on my tits a bit, but a friend who occasionally dabbles in historical reenactment couldn't even play the thing, for the idiosyncrasies and historical errors.

This is all a windup to saying, that I doubt that the 'Jackdaw' would even be capable of BEING a whaling ship. Historically, whaling ships were typically large frigates or galleons and rarely worked alone.

All that said; I haven't played the game, so I don't know how it plays out, mechanically, and further, while the historical inaccuracies irritate me, they're probably not going to detract from the enjoyment of players who really like AssCreed. I what I find frustrating is the the notion that they're putting that much time and money into recreating history, but not fussed about the details beyond the tits and lipstick, so to speak.
 

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I think it's just human nature to get upset about certain things, whether it's killing animals, people, or whatever. So no, you're not being overly sensitive for having an emotional response to that! But as always, it's just a game and it's not causing any sort of real world harm, so if someone did really have a hankering for whale hunting, doing it in a video game would be the best place.

That said, if there was ever a game where to had to murder cats, I really don't think I could play it. Even knowing it's not real, I have way too strong of a response to seeing cats being harmed, even if it's not real. There's an episode of Looney Tunes where the cat gatekeeper to cat heaven sees a wet bag of kittens arriving at the gate of heaven and I still get nauseous when I see that part. And it's just a cartoon. A really dark, horrible cartoon.