Accused of being "foreign" when playing online?

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Meshakhad_v1legacy

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Never been accused of being foreign. Then again, I play EVE Online, which I believe is majority European. I mostly run into Americans and Brits, but that has a lot to do with the times I'm active. Unless someone has a flag in their bio, you make no assumptions about their nationality.

Except for devs. Devs are Icelandic.

I have once gotten someone's nationality confused. One of my corpmates in EVE is German, but for a time, I thought he was Finnish. See, we have a lot of Finns in our corp, and his accent wasn't British or American, so I assumed he was Finnish to.

In EVE, I haven't encountered much racism or bigotry, apart from one pilot whose bio stated "If your not american, your a communist" and called his ship "Jew Stomper". He later had to change his bio (I doubt our Icelandic devs were very pleased), and I haven't run into him in ages. If I did, I might try to kill him.
 

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i used to play C&C ZH. where id regularly find nationalistic Americans that refused to take any team other than USA.
Towards the end my time on that game i found an American plodding along under the name of NAZI boy, i immediately joined his 1v1 and we started the game. for the first 30minutes i was given line after line of abuse about my scrap bang rush and hail of BS about white Nationalism and American independence. Lets say i made a point of throwing it all back at him in the next 30 mins when my GLA tanks rolled thought his base from tactically placed hidden holes id made in the first 5 minutes of the game.

Id definitely say that Americans are the worst people online for throwing verbal abuse at other players. no offense to 1/10 Americans that are decent but the arrogance your gamers have is untrue. For the record i'm British but haven't got the English accent that you've all just branded me with lol!
 
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Is it wrong for me, as an American, to say that the majority of Americans are complete jackasses? Does that make me unpatriotic?

P.S. 2008, the end of an error.
 

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I've been accused of being unintelligible, which probably implies foreign (on the other hand, I was a little drunk, and talking veryveryfast, so the accusation may have been well-founded).
And there are indeed many wonderful Americans, US-dwellers or otherwise, who are wonderful people. By "many" I mean twenty-one, and then there are the rest.

I think Dylan Moran puts it best, though.
"I think the reason that happened, all that bad feeling about America, is - apart from everything they've done - it's because American stupid people sound stupider than every other kind of stupid person. Some people are just thick but you put up with them but Americans are annoying when they're thick, because they say "Well, you know I was"-- this is talking about one of those horrendous incidents which seem to happen every other day in America, they say "Well you know, I was there, and the guy came in, and he had like, a gun, you know, and he was like, shooting, and everybody else was like totally dead" and, it just sounds a little divorced from reality somehow"

Not entirely OT, but it illustrates the point :p
 

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thebobmaster said:
Is it wrong for me, as an American, to say that the majority of Americans are complete jackasses? Does that make me unpatriotic?

P.S. 2008, the end of an error.
Ha ha ha...not as long as I'm afraid to admit I'm an American in any form of international community since it tends to automatically get me labeled as an ignorant jackass.

I find it odd that people say canadians have accents as well. Lived in the northeast U.S. all my life..if they have an accent, I have one VERY similiar to them. Guess I'll get called canadian on voice chats too.
 

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It's ironically good fun to argue the awesomeness of Canada with douchebags. The accuse Canada of being covered in snow, I respond "just as much as Detroit or Seattle".
They ask what Canada is good for? "Just ALL of California's electricity, 90% of lumber, Albertan oil, fish and various other things consitituting 20% of the American export/import economy. (Significantly larger portion than any other contries contribution.)
They ask what Canada ever invented? The telephone, lightbulb, Canadarm and International Timezones to name a few. The last guy that made this argument with me only tried to refute lightbulb: "Thomas Edison invented the lightbulb stupid", to which I retorted "After Henry Woodward sold the plans and invention to him. Woodward couldn't afford the patent."
Scotland invented everything, L2P...
 

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On behalf of my idiotic, mouth breathing, hillbilly, sterilization poster children, and all around stupid fellow Americans I apologize. If it is any consolation people often mistake me for a homosexual online because I can speak properly and don't resort to screaming or unnecessary noise.

Personally I think it's pretty cool to be playing a game here in Austin, TX with someone on the other side of the world even if they don't speak the same language as me.
 

werepossum

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Talisker said:
Please someone from the US restore my faith in you guys. Tell me your education system is not that bad.
Actually, our education system IS that bad. A combination of liberalism and laziness have left most younger Americans with little or no knowlege of geography or history. Our education system has devolved into something more concerned with a student's self-esteem than with his level of knowledge. It's not unusual for a teacher with years in the classroom to reveal that he is in fact functionally illiterate - can you think of another developed nation where that would even be possible?

There are television shows that showcase this ignorance in all its glory, but basically we as a people are, while not stupid, certainly ignorant. Graduating seniors often do not know how many moons the earth has, or who fought in either world war (and on which side), or even such basic things as the freezing point of water. I cringed during the hoopla over the last Harry Potter movie. Sky News interviewed a six year old British child and got something like: "I'm very excited about the movie. I'm taking my little brother - he's only four, and up to now the movies have been too advanced for him. He has read all the books and is really looking forward to this movie." Then Fox News interviews an American child. "I like Harry", whilst hiding behind his mother's leg.

That being said, I would like to point out a few things. First, we are referred to as Americans because we are the only nation in the Americas to use America in its name. As originally conceived, we were to be a conglomeration of semi-autonomous states similar to the EU, but nationalism took over and here we are. We are a very large nation geographically, and sometimes I (heavy Southern accent from the hills of the Tennessee River basin) have trouble communicating with my fellow Americans from the northeast or northwest. If I can't place my countrymen's accents, I'm unlikely to correctly differentiate between British and Welsh or even New Zealander and Australian.

Second, Britain is America's ***** because of WW2. While the French spurned us immediately after it became safe to do so, Churchill among others recognized how close Britain came to being overrun by Germany. Had that happened, America, Canada, and Australia would have had no staging ground to invade Europe other than through Africa, a most impractical solution. Thus Churchill's advice to never be separated from the Amerricans in foreign policy. Although Churchill was never forgiven for being right about the Germans and for riding roughshod over his fellows, his advice was taken to heart. (And yes, Britain has taken on missions that were extremely difficult, such as in the first Gulf War. Flying obsolete Jaguars straight down the teeth of dense AAA to take out runways amounted to almost suicide missions, something the pilots surely knew when they accepted them. Frankly I don't how you even get testicles that size into the cockpit, but thank you. Presumably, though, the UK shares America's love of freedom, so it's not just serving as our *****, but more working toward a common goal.)

That same world war is also when we developed a dislike for the French. Patton said he'd rather have another German division in front of him than a French division behind him (incidently, Pie, Patton was a large, muscular, stereotypical man's man and had an extremely high voice) and Americans saw the French as ungrateful and unreliable. Conversely, those of us who remember the details have very warm feelings towards the British, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Australians, Kiwis, Canadians, and Poles who fought with us, as well as towards the Danish and Dutch who clearly appreciated the Americans' sacrifice in liberating their countries from the Nazi rule. Denmark still celebrates July 4th as a holiday, and individual Dutch still voluntarily tend the graves of slain American soldiers. Frankly, they remember more clearly than do we.

Third, with those things said America is a nation of both wealth and unsupervised youth. I'd venture to say that we have a much higher proportion of teen and college-age youth online, which slants us towards "asshole" more than would a nation where such access is less available and more supervised. Frankly, I'd prefer our youth to be making assholes of themselves online as opposed to throwing rocks and burning automobiles in the streets. (Not saying your nation has that problem, just that it's one possibility for bad behavior.)

Fourth, we are afflicted with both accademia and media that tell us repeatedly how horrid the USA is. We also get it from foreign countries, many of whom's citizens are every bit as ignorant of us as we are of them. Oftimes this criticism is from countries whose collective ass Americans died to liberate, complaining about us liberating another country. Consequently those of us who love America can be pretty touchy about her. And yes, combined with ignorance this can be pretty comical as well. We had a debate in Congress over establishing English as a national language where a Congressman actually stood up and said "If English was good enough for Jesus Christ, then by G-d it ought to be good enough for us."

And last, America has always been a boisterous, irreverate nation. We have no classes or castes, and no royalty. Every man thinks himself a king, it's been said. We are rough with our mates, and because of that we often do things which seem rude or obnoxious to others, but which pass without comment here. Calling your friend a fag isn't some mortal insult, it's just goodnatured horseplay. Ragging on (insulting) others is just what we do; it isn't necessarily meant seriously. The Iranian thing probably is serious though, as that's the only nation actively and openly supporting those who are trying to kill us. I'll have to say I've only really known one Iranian, though, and he was a really nice guy.

So in summary, please be patient with us. We're a young country, and the young are always subject to their vanity and ignorance as they grow. And you never know when you might need a well-armed, strong back. LOL
 

VonKludge

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Damn, am I glad to play on a computer, no offense guys but most people on X-box live seems... retarded. But the few times I played at a friend's place I was first labelled as Canadian, which I am, because I've got the bad habit to say eh and the end of my sentences. But being from Quebec (God bless the Queen even if most quebecers hate her) my first toungue is french so when we play, it's usually with french speakers, so when some one starts it, I can be pretty insulting in their own toungue, which seems to suprise them sometimes.
 
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No, I don't get "accused" of being foreign.

The reason is that I never (well, extremely rarely) play with people I don't know. And the people I know know I'm AM a foreigner, so they don't "accuse" me of being one. Funny enough :)

But yea, the whole thing is pretty funny. How could being a foreigner be something to "accuse" someone of being? Like the original poster said 95.5% of all people are foreigners to Americans. Seems kind of a waste of time and effort going about your life of accusing practically everyone of being foreign.

Besides foreign chicks are HOT! No matter where you come from :)
 

NotPigeon

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Talisker said:
We also get it from foreign countries, many of whom's citizens are every bit as ignorant of us as we are of them.
Way to be a hypocrite. First you talk about how terrible the educational system is and how it's just looking to tell children how special they are blah blah blah, and then you go tell off others for being ignorant like you're some kind of genius*.
Where did you get your information on the school system from? I've got a source that can beat it- myself. I've got firsthand knowledge, I AM LIVING IT, and that's not the case at all. Okay, it probably does happen, but you need to account for sensationalism. Of course, it's far from perfect. I'm constantly surrounded by idiots, although I doubt that'll change as a get older. The educational system's real sin, the real problem, is the damn standardized tests.
*Now, this is just my interpretation for that bit. Perhaps you're not really telling off others as I claim here.
 

werepossum

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NotPigeon said:
Talisker said:
We also get it from foreign countries, many of whom's citizens are every bit as ignorant of us as we are of them.
Way to be a hypocrite. First you talk about how terrible the educational system is and how it's just looking to tell children how special they are blah blah blah, and then you go tell off others for being ignorant like you're some kind of genius*.
Where did you get your information on the school system from? I've got a source that can beat it- myself. I've got firsthand knowledge, I AM LIVING IT, and that's not the case at all. Okay, it probably does happen, but you need to account for sensationalism. Of course, it's far from perfect. I'm constantly surrounded by idiots, although I doubt that'll change as a get older. The educational system's real sin, the real problem, is the damn standardized tests.
*Now, this is just my interpretation for that bit. Perhaps you're not really telling off others as I claim here.
First, that quote is mine, not Talisker's, so don't blame him. As to the ignorance of other nations about Americans, please re-read the other posts. Although America is very significant to Americans, it's not very significant to other nations. Consequently people in other nations often have ideas about Americans just as foolish as are our own about them. (Serbia = Siberia? It's only in the news every other frickin night.) And thank G-d; I'd really hate it if we were the only ones. If most Americans are unaware that Wales in part of the UK but not part of Great Britain, then hopefully most Welsh will be unaware that, say, Puerto Rico is part of the USA but not attached. I'm not telling off anyone, just pointing out that although we have our problems and blind spots, so do a lot of people around the world.

As to me being some sort of genius, unfortunately I have recorded proof that I am not. I was tested in 8th grade - we think your son might be gifted. Or retarded. Frankly, we can't tell. I think that's when I first lost faith in the education system. Most people can tell the difference between smart and stupid pretty easily. (Even worse, all of us at work took that Tickle online IQ test, and I'm down to 140. So not only am I not a genius, I am actually getting dumber. High school really WAS the smartest I'll ever be.)

As to the part about education, look at any standardized ranking of developed nations and you'll find the USA near the bottom of the list in most subjects. We start out at or near the top when we enter school, but gradually sink further and further. That part's pretty well documented fact.

If you feel like you're surrounded by idiots, it's probably because you spend more time looking at things other than American Idol and The Hills. Most smart people are largely self-educated or at least educated according to their own plans rather than the state's standardized plans; you find something interesting, and you seek out more information about it. Even video games can count; if you've played Call of Duty and similar games, you know the Americans and British and Russians were on one side, and the Germans were on the other; you know the Allies took France back from Germany. And that's more than a lot of people know.

As to Iceland, I once ran into an old buddy who had been stationed for the last year in Iceland. When he told me that, the girl with me scoffed "You're lying, Iceland's just a glacier. Nobody can live there." There's a saying around these parts: Ain't enough lipstick in the world to purty up stupid.
 

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werepossum said:
NotPigeon said:
Talisker said:
We also get it from foreign countries, many of whom's citizens are every bit as ignorant of us as we are of them.
Way to be a hypocrite. First you talk about how terrible the educational system is and how it's just looking to tell children how special they are blah blah blah, and then you go tell off others for being ignorant like you're some kind of genius*.
Where did you get your information on the school system from? I've got a source that can beat it- myself. I've got firsthand knowledge, I AM LIVING IT, and that's not the case at all. Okay, it probably does happen, but you need to account for sensationalism. Of course, it's far from perfect. I'm constantly surrounded by idiots, although I doubt that'll change as a get older. The educational system's real sin, the real problem, is the damn standardized tests.
*Now, this is just my interpretation for that bit. Perhaps you're not really telling off others as I claim here.
First, that quote is mine, not Talisker's, so don't blame him. As to the ignorance of other nations about Americans, please re-read the other posts. Although America is very significant to Americans, it's not very significant to other nations. Consequently people in other nations often have ideas about Americans just as foolish as are our own about them. (Serbia = Siberia? It's only in the news every other frickin night.) And thank G-d; I'd really hate it if we were the only ones. If most Americans are unaware that Wales in part of the UK but not part of Great Britain, then hopefully most Welsh will be unaware that, say, Puerto Rico is part of the USA but not attached. I'm not telling off anyone, just pointing out that although we have our problems and blind spots, so do a lot of people around the world.

As to me being some sort of genius, unfortunately I have recorded proof that I am not. I was tested in 8th grade - we think your son might be gifted. Or retarded. Frankly, we can't tell. I think that's when I first lost faith in the education system. Most people can tell the difference between smart and stupid pretty easily. (Even worse, all of us at work took that Tickle online IQ test, and I'm down to 140. So not only am I not a genius, I am actually getting dumber. High school really WAS the smartest I'll ever be.)

As to the part about education, look at any standardized ranking of developed nations and you'll find the USA near the bottom of the list in most subjects. We start out at or near the top when we enter school, but gradually sink further and further. That part's pretty well documented fact.

If you feel like you're surrounded by idiots, it's probably because you spend more time looking at things other than American Idol and The Hills. Most smart people are largely self-educated or at least educated according to their own plans rather than the state's standardized plans; you find something interesting, and you seek out more information about it. Even video games can count; if you've played Call of Duty and similar games, you know the Americans and British and Russians were on one side, and the Germans were on the other; you know the Allies took France back from Germany. And that's more than a lot of people know.

As to Iceland, I once ran into an old buddy who had been stationed for the last year in Iceland. When he told me that, the girl with me scoffed "You're lying, Iceland's just a glacier. Nobody can live there." There's a saying around these parts: Ain't enough lipstick in the world to purty up stupid.
Well, okay, glad to see you weren't telling people off there.
As for the quote thing, that was just a mix up with tags. My bad.
As for the genius thing, 130 is the cutoff for genius. Maybe it's 140. As far as the Tickle IQ test goes, different IQ tests are graded according to different standards, plus there's a certain rate of error, so you didn't necessarily get stupider.
As far as the surrounded by idiots bit goes, that's actually what I always figured it to be. I honestly don't watch much TV, especially that American Idol garbage, mostly because very little of it is good. That goes for most reality TV, actually. I'm pretty sure I've only been entertained by reality TV when I watched that one nanny show, and that's attributable to the fact that little kids yelling at their parents is inexplicably amusing.
 

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I think at the time it said 150 or 160 - I remember I missed it by two points. They wouldn't give me the results, so I sweet-talked a girl working it in the office to sneak me a copy. When they say you're either gifted or retarded and then they won't tell you the results... Let's just say you don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling. Besides the written tests I spent a solid week doing things like tossing bean bags at a Toss-Across, looking at Rorshach inkblots, looking at pictures of people and telling the tester what they were doing... I got the feeling that looking at stewed pigs' intestines would be about as meaningful.
 

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I recently got my Live headset and recently came into contact with my first online douchebag. The man was obviously drunk, or high, and was convinced that America was the best country in the world, and that California was the best state. He was positively amazed to hear that I was Australian, and jokingly asked me if I was Steve Irwin's cousin. Apparently, he thought this was hilarious.
 

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The most i've had is many Americans making really awful 'Cuppa Tea' remarks (yes i'm British), thinking it's a way of insulting us, but really it's just insulting themselves because they believe an over-used stereotype is more truth than the actual truth is.

Not directed at myself though, i've heard a lot of Jewish Nazi jokes, really inappropriate stuff if there are any Jewish people in the room, which there could well be. But World War 2 jokes with all that team laughing their heads off. Then of course there are the Americans yet again, with the "you'd be speaking German now if it wasn't for us" bollocks that is often touted.

Not only do they take a blind look at World War 2 - the war they 'won', they feel the need to try and make us feel inferior because we're such a small island that needed a little bit of help from the insanely sized superpowers that are Russia and the USA.

Ah well.
 

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I have actually *been* foreign online before. Good friend of mine moves to Norway to work with a gaming company. We find out D&DO has a free trial, give that a go. Then discover "oh, there's a UK version, and a US." So, a bit of searching, I sign up for the UK one. More literate playerbase, but worse support. Still fun.

But after a couple good adventures, and conversation with a group winds up drifting from the game, I'd make a reference that pretty well outted me as a yank. And it'd get quiet for a minute. And then they'd get over it.

Good times, good times.
 

werepossum

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richasr said:
But World War 2 jokes with all that team laughing their heads off. Then of course there are the Americans yet again, with the "you'd be speaking German now if it wasn't for us" bollocks that is often touted.

Not only do they take a blind look at World War 2 - the war they 'won', they feel the need to try and make us feel inferior because we're such a small island that needed a little bit of help from the insanely sized superpowers that are Russia and the USA.

Ah well.
Hey now, you WOULD be speaking German now if not for us! But if it makes you feel any better, some of us do realize that Great Britain was much more powerful militarily than the USA when WW2 broke out. Actually, even France was, at least on paper. The USA had a pretty well equipped navy, but not much in the way of land forces until it became clear in the late thirties that Hitler would have war. What we did have in our favor was a vital and reasonably large population of reasonably recent immigrants with a reasonably high literacy level and a reasonably large tech and manufacturing base, conveniently located in a place largely beyond air attack. But hey, we've got your back as long as you have ours. That goes for you too Australia, you great big dry sweetie!

One of my favorite quotes was during Operation Market Garden. The armored push was far behind schedule, and when they showed up one of the American paratroopers asked the officer commanding the leading British armored regiment what took so long. His reply was something to the effect of: "Mate, you've been fighting five weeks. We've been fighting five years!" So yeah, we did show up rather late to the party. Sorry 'bout that.

Yes, I do think the USA is the greatest country in the world. I fully expect that an Englishman/Dutchman/Australian/New Zealander/et al will feel the same about his/her own country. We're all free countries; if we didn't love ours we'd leave, right? Nothing wrong with national pride as long as you don't start putting other free nations down.

And personally, I LIKE tea. (Thanks, India!)