Acknowledging Blackout, Politicians Ditch SOPA

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JoesshittyOs

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Mr.Pandah said:
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I'm a bit disappointed that Google hasn't completely shut down its service, worldwide, in protest to SOPA and PIPA. That would have sent an even clearer message to the masses on top of everything else.
There needs to be room for escalation if the Bill moves further towards completion. Today was more of a warning shot from the Internet. A much more stringent blackout could conceivably happen if SOPA/PIPA don't die in the next round.
Agreed. The people of the internet are not dumb (contrary to popular belief). We know how to troll the shit out of anybody, and this is no different.

Problem, Congress?
There's a good deal of truth in that.

Take on the internet, you essentially are taking on the biggest assholes the world has ever known.
 

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You know, this is the first event of common news that I actually clap with a big grin on my face, in a -very- long time. I'm a 'go with the flow' kind of girl, but I really, REALLY don't want the government to control what we see. Fairly sure they do enough of that already.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
gyroscopeboy said:
Wow internet activision that doesn't involve Anonymous actually works! What did we need Anonymous for again?
Was your interesting spelling of "activism" intentional? XD
Haha subconscience thing :p

Goddamn HTC autocorrect!
 

Phopojijo

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The problem is SOPA could affect just about anything and everyone in the web in one way or another -- even down to liability.
 

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Damn... when porno gets political you know that shit just got real.

Hooray for them! Now we just need a plan to get Wall Street to give us all our money back.
 

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Every single person who was for this should never be re-elected.

The ones that flip flopped after public opinion snapped at them are even worse.

They were either malicious people only in it for the money OR they are ignorant of bills they are willing to let pass.

Either is extremely dangerous. SOPA should be a simple list project for who should never be a political figure in the US ever again.
 

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Well the title is misleading. couple politicians said no to sopa but sopa is far from over yet. Either way, this worked better than i expected, so its a win.

As for firefly, there actually was a small firefly project which all profit went into donation. This is the information i was given:
In 2009 I got involved with a project to make an unofficial sequel to Serenity. A non-profit was founded and permission was aquired from the trademark owners to make a film, with all proceeds going to the five charities that the cast of Firefly support. It was a labor of love for everyone involved, filming was done over a few weekends in various places near Baltimore and Ocean City, MD. We built a space ship (set) inside warehouse space donated by the property owners. The movie was released in September of 2010, and to date it has donated around $80,000. The project comes to a close at the end of this month, after which you won't be able to buy a copy anymore.

It got Joss Whedon's blessing, and there are a few cameos of people from the series and the movie. If you're interested in finding out more about it, go to http://browncoatsmovie.com.
 

Adam Jensen_v1legacy

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It's still not over. Even if SOPA and PIPA don't pass, America will still be able to do what they did to Mediaupload because the corrupt officials are backed by big corporations. Welcome to corporate America, where we want you to buy shit you don't need, think about stuff we want you to think and shut the fuck up or we'll throw you in prison and throw the key.

And don't forget ACTA which is 10x worse than SOPA.
 

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The Cool Kid said:
What legitimate sites are the blacklisting?? There is no such list in the Bill.
Thank you for not reading the links I provided. :)

What you forget is that the Bill isn't just for home users but will allow prosecution against the infringing site. You can't work around a block when the site no longer exists as the owner is in prison.
You know how they used pretty much exactly that line to argue for DMCA and Pro-IP, and how those bills totally stopped all piracy ever?
Yeah.
Are you really telling me that how you pirate is how everyone else pirates? All they can say is how many times something has been downloaded and if you think every single game of the billions of dollars that were pirated will result in a legit sale, you are fooling only yourself.
The point was to illustrate that a) file sharing is an effective way to get publicity and b) the actual losses from piracy are lower than those that are reported(although probably still substantial, indeed). People that are not major media groups are using this to their advantage, but the media groups find that lobbying to break the internet is easier than revising their business models. Because hey, if it worked the 50 years before the internet, when there was no actual competition, it should still work now and technological innovation can't be allowed to get in our way.

Also, I managed to find a very good explanation as to why the wording in both SOPA/PIPA is bullshit [http://blog.reddit.com/2012/01/technical-examination-of-sopa-and.html](and yes, it's citing the bills). Please, do me, yourself and the entire fucking world a favor, and read this entire thing before you proceed to cry about how the evil corporates at google and wikipedia and independent artists/game studios/etc are screwing us over.

And as a bonus: More reasons why I don't want to give the media groups powers to shut more stuff down [https://www.eff.org/takedowns].
 

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punipunipyo said:
wait... one quick question... does SOPA effect Deviant Arts?
Possibly. If you're the creator of OCs or the poster of fanfics, you might find yourself in hot water even if you start/end your fics or comment your own works with the usual "I didn't make this for profit, please don't sue me" spiel.

It's quite possible that some moron megacorp executive would look at DeviantART and see some sort of infringement Mecca. I'm not saying it'll happen - in fact, the chances are pretty slim - but it's a definitive possibility.
 

Phopojijo

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The Cool Kid said:
Naeras said:
The Cool Kid said:
What legitimate sites are the blacklisting?? There is no such list in the Bill.
Thank you for not reading the links I provided. :)

What you forget is that the Bill isn't just for home users but will allow prosecution against the infringing site. You can't work around a block when the site no longer exists as the owner is in prison.
You know how they used pretty much exactly that line to argue for DMCA and Pro-IP, and how those bills totally stopped all piracy ever?
Yeah.
Are you really telling me that how you pirate is how everyone else pirates? All they can say is how many times something has been downloaded and if you think every single game of the billions of dollars that were pirated will result in a legit sale, you are fooling only yourself.
The point was to illustrate that a) file sharing is an effective way to get publicity and b) the actual losses from piracy are lower than those that are reported(although probably still substantial, indeed). People that are not major media groups are using this to their advantage, but the media groups find that lobbying to break the internet is easier than revising their business models. Because hey, if it worked the 50 years before the internet, when there was no actual competition, it should still work now and technological innovation can't be allowed to get in our way.

Also, I managed to find a very good explanation as to why the wording in both SOPA/PIPA is bullshit [http://blog.reddit.com/2012/01/technical-examination-of-sopa-and.html](and yes, it's citing the bills). Please, do me, yourself and the entire fucking world a favor, and read this entire thing before you proceed to cry about how the evil corporates at google and wikipedia and independent artists/game studios/etc are screwing us over.

And as a bonus: More reasons why I don't want to give the media groups powers to shut more stuff down [https://www.eff.org/takedowns].
I hate to break this to you, but if it's not in the Bill, it's bullshit.

Making vague comparisons between SOPA and other bills is irrelevant as SOPA is a bill on it's own, which is vastly different to any other.

File sharing is also a brilliant way to get something for free. Which people do resulting in the entertainment industry losing billions. The loss may be lower, but it is still a loss.

"break the internet"? It won't break the internet. That is an absurd phrase with no backing.

That link is interesting and highlights the real rage-induging fact about SOPA:

"We would also need to implement a system to automatically censor the domain from any future posts or comments. This places a measurable burden upon the site's technical infrastructure. "

In other words, sites don't want to have to spend money to make sure their sites don't promote piracy in any way. The fact that this wouldn't be too hard goes to show how lazy sites are. This also makes the point about it hurting start ups as being utter crap.

Could it be abused? Yes, but so can almost every law in the US and people are still getting on just fine. Want evidence? Just look at Haliburton.
Well first of all, I've smacked you around quite a bit in the other thread ( http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.338364-U-S-Congress-Shelves-SOPA?page=9 ) over this... so I don't know what you are hoping to prove.

Also -- on top of all the other things pending from the other thread, such as there not being any proof of harm from piracy and all the technical reasons why it's bad -- it is impossible to make sure a site doesn't promote piracy in any way.

Want to know why?

Because if it was so easy to block bad content... why do we still have problems with spam and malware?
 

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EvilChameleon said:
Oh man, if the MPAA was furious earlier about the blackouts, imagine how furious they are now.
Oooh, they were? Good.

Is there an article you can point me to so I can laugh at their failure even more?
 

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http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/18/chris-dodd-sopa-blackout-is-an-abuse-of-power/

They seem to think that the blackout is an abuse of power... kind-of like forcing a competitor's ad off of Youtube and (allegedly) lying about it in court.
 

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Phopojijo said:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/18/chris-dodd-sopa-blackout-is-an-abuse-of-power/

They seem to think that the blackout is an abuse of power... kind-of like forcing a competitor's ad off of Youtube and (allegedly) lying about it in court.
I call big baby.

He's from MPAA, I guess it's not surprising he's crying about it. And I'm uncomfortable on the 'foreigner' focus. Is he a right-wing or something?