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TorqueConverter

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A wise man one said: The internet makes you stupid.

Crawl out of the basement everypony and go outside and make some friends already. Engage these new friends in important topics of the day and save the internet for the only thing it has ever been good at, hilarious shit posts.
 

Keava

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Bhaalspawn said:
Huh... the US and Canada signed ACTA several months ago.

*looks around*

Guess all this freakout over anti-piracy legislation WAS the overreaction I knew it to be. The Internet is safe guys, you can come out of your bunkers and stop behaving like children now!

Things like SOPA and ACTA threaten one thing. Theft.

That is all they target. That is all they have ever targeted. And that is all they will target. When these bills (or similar ones) get passed, they will not have the destructive impact on the internet that you guys think they do.

It's not squashing freedom of speech to say "No, you can't have my game/movie/book/song for free! Pay up, you fucking mooch!"
No. Not really. Signing a treaty like ACTA does not put in in effect from the moment it's signed. The whole signing process is pretty much only "good will" act, and only later it has to go through usual legislation process in each country involved (in case of EU it not only has to go through each of the member countries parliament but also through EU parliament).

Among worse things ACTA does is:
Forcing ISPs to track all Your internet activity and search all Your sent/received data packets for copyrighted material that You might have sent - which means all Your private conversation are now being monitored by someone. Maybe You enjoy being spied on - I do not.

It creates legal barriers for distribution of generic drugs and plant seeds, meaning suddenly charity organizations that focus on helping poor regions of the world will have a lot more trouble doing their work.

Any sort of innovation that bases on previous, patented/copyrighted work might be blocked thanks to ACTA by the patent holder. You want to improve a new medicine, piece of technology, etc? Tough luck if the corporation that holds the right to original decides that Your work might make em less money.

None of the non-government organizations, including human-right organizations were allowed to take part in creation of ACTA. If not the leak from 2010 we wouldn't even be able to read the thing before it goes into effect. That's not how law is supposed to be created. Maybe You are ignorant and do not care what Your government does, because, after all it does not effect You, but let me tell You a story

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I was Protestant.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
 

Andy of Comix Inc

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IT'S NOT A BILL.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WILL YOU ALL PLEASE STOP CALLING IT A BILL.
TorqueConverter said:
A wise man one said: The internet makes you stupid.

Crawl out of the basement everypony and go outside and make some friends already. Engage these new friends in important topics of the day and save the internet for the only thing it has ever been good at, hilarious shit posts.
Yeah, nevermind the rapid expansion of international culture, rapid spread of the awareness of worldwide news and the incredible contribution to the arts that come with borderless spread of information, music, video and multimedia. And the huge boon of jobs in the creative industries. Or the amazing independent studios and projects that have cropped up only because information can be spread from country to country as easily as from mouth to mouth. The internet's just for lolcats and dumb people! It hasn't improved anybody's lives significantly at all! Radio and television too. What trite. We should all live in the forest and sing camp songs passed down through generations and consist off of mushrooms we pick ourselves and live life free of responsibility and connections to the world. Sounds good!
 

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Shut up, SHUT UP, SHUT UP!

ACTA isn't all that bad. Despite the relative secrecy in which it was originally drafted, it's become more and more reasonable over time, with the more draconian aspects having all been already removed.

Secondly, unlike SOPA and PIPA, it does not take Orwellian steps to censor the internet, or take away our freedoms - it has no real purpose other than to stop piracy, a perfectly legitimate goal.

It doesn't even enact legislation on its own, so if you want something to fight over, then fight the legislation itself, when it comes.
 

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I find myself wondering what will happen once a machine is made that can literally make food. It will be lauded as the greatest thing that ever happened until 'food-piracy' drowns out producers of food everywhere, and they will demand it be banned because they can't make a living anyway. They'll probably be reprimanded and told that, if it doesn't fit your buisness model you just have to do better.
 

Dandark

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So I heard about this horrible ACTA thing and was thinking it must be just like SOPA from how everyone was describing it. However it doesn't sound all that bad, plus if most of the democracies that are not as retarded as Americas goverment support it then I doubt it's too bad.
 

TorqueConverter

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Andy of Comix Inc said:
IT'S NOT A BILL.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WILL YOU ALL PLEASE STOP CALLING IT A BILL.
TorqueConverter said:
A wise man one said: The internet makes you stupid.

Crawl out of the basement everypony and go outside and make some friends already. Engage these new friends in important topics of the day and save the internet for the only thing it has ever been good at, hilarious shit posts.
Yeah, nevermind the rapid expansion of international culture, rapid spread of the awareness of worldwide news and the incredible contribution to the arts that come with borderless spread of information, music, video and multimedia. And the huge boon of jobs in the creative industries. Or the amazing independent studios and projects that have cropped up only because information can be spread from country to country as easily as from mouth to mouth. The internet's just for lolcats and dumb people! It hasn't improved anybody's lives significantly at all! Radio and television too. What trite. We should all live in the forest and sing camp songs passed down through generations and consist off of mushrooms we pick ourselves and live life free of responsibility and connections to the world. Sounds good!
Yes and more yes. Lets not forget the amazing arrow the knee jokes, world wide furry awareness, pokemon fan fiction and the ability to beat off to porn within the comfort of our own homes. I mean that last one alone was simply earth shattering. I can protest all sorts of strange things I don't understand and couldn't be bothered with in real life. Sorry, I mean IRL. All thanks to the internet. + 1 internet praising meme to you!
 

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Syzygy23 said:
Obama proves irreversibly and forever that he is a real piece of shit who just doesn't give a fuck and has SIGNED ACTA: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/10/us-signs-international-anti-piracy-accord.ars
This just in, Syzygy23 proves irreversibly and forever that hyperbole is the only way to go, right away, about everything, forever.

Yes, assuredly, Obama signing a bill you don't agree with (or, possibly, understand) is proof that he is subhuman filth. There is no middle ground. He did something you (possibly) disagree with, therefore he does not give a fuck and is a real piece of shit.

Assuredly.

(you don't actually know what ACTA is or does, do you)

Obama signed into law the NDAA bill so he's definitely a piece of shit, also he's a POLITICIAN which is just a synonym for piece of shit. If you think he's you new best friend ever and that you need to rush to his add whenever he's criticized, wake up! the romance is over, he's just another pig in the white house. Democrats, republicans, both are just turds in a quickly flushing bole. Calling them a piece of shit isn't so much an insult as it is a sad fact.
 

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TorqueConverter said:
Andy of Comix Inc said:
IT'S NOT A BILL.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WILL YOU ALL PLEASE STOP CALLING IT A BILL.
TorqueConverter said:
A wise man one said: The internet makes you stupid.

Crawl out of the basement everypony and go outside and make some friends already. Engage these new friends in important topics of the day and save the internet for the only thing it has ever been good at, hilarious shit posts.
Yeah, nevermind the rapid expansion of international culture, rapid spread of the awareness of worldwide news and the incredible contribution to the arts that come with borderless spread of information, music, video and multimedia. And the huge boon of jobs in the creative industries. Or the amazing independent studios and projects that have cropped up only because information can be spread from country to country as easily as from mouth to mouth. The internet's just for lolcats and dumb people! It hasn't improved anybody's lives significantly at all! Radio and television too. What trite. We should all live in the forest and sing camp songs passed down through generations and consist off of mushrooms we pick ourselves and live life free of responsibility and connections to the world. Sounds good!
Yes and more yes. Lets not forget the amazing arrow the knee jokes, world wide furry awareness, pokemon fan fiction and the ability to beat off to porn within the comfort of our own homes. I mean that last one alone was simply earth shattering. I can protest all sorts of strange things I don't understand and couldn't be bothered with in real life. Sorry, I mean IRL. All thanks to the internet. + 1 internet praising meme to you!
Because as we all know, everything should be judged by the worst examples.

Oh, and you forgot cat pictures and videos.
 

TorqueConverter

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Dammit I knew I forgot something! Funny cats. Did you see that one with a cat and then there was some giant misspelled text at the bottom of the screen? I think that one is my favorite. Also, raciest people. They have so many interesting things to say about stuff involving black people.
 

tobi the good boy

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TorqueConverter said:
Andy of Comix Inc said:
IT'S NOT A BILL.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WILL YOU ALL PLEASE STOP CALLING IT A BILL.
TorqueConverter said:
A wise man one said: The internet makes you stupid.

Crawl out of the basement everypony and go outside and make some friends already. Engage these new friends in important topics of the day and save the internet for the only thing it has ever been good at, hilarious shit posts.
Yeah, nevermind the rapid expansion of international culture, rapid spread of the awareness of worldwide news and the incredible contribution to the arts that come with borderless spread of information, music, video and multimedia. And the huge boon of jobs in the creative industries. Or the amazing independent studios and projects that have cropped up only because information can be spread from country to country as easily as from mouth to mouth. The internet's just for lolcats and dumb people! It hasn't improved anybody's lives significantly at all! Radio and television too. What trite. We should all live in the forest and sing camp songs passed down through generations and consist off of mushrooms we pick ourselves and live life free of responsibility and connections to the world. Sounds good!
Yes and more yes. Lets not forget the amazing arrow the knee jokes, world wide furry awareness, pokemon fan fiction and the ability to beat off to porn within the comfort of our own homes. I mean that last one alone was simply earth shattering. I can protest all sorts of strange things I don't understand and couldn't be bothered with in real life. Sorry, I mean IRL. All thanks to the internet. + 1 internet praising meme to you!
Dude, you're trying to counter the expansion of international trade and communication with cat videos. Do you see how poorly you're defending your point?
 

Andy of Comix Inc

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TorqueConverter said:
Andy of Comix Inc said:
IT'S NOT A BILL.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WILL YOU ALL PLEASE STOP CALLING IT A BILL.
TorqueConverter said:
A wise man one said: The internet makes you stupid.

Crawl out of the basement everypony and go outside and make some friends already. Engage these new friends in important topics of the day and save the internet for the only thing it has ever been good at, hilarious shit posts.
Yeah, nevermind the rapid expansion of international culture, rapid spread of the awareness of worldwide news and the incredible contribution to the arts that come with borderless spread of information, music, video and multimedia. And the huge boon of jobs in the creative industries. Or the amazing independent studios and projects that have cropped up only because information can be spread from country to country as easily as from mouth to mouth. The internet's just for lolcats and dumb people! It hasn't improved anybody's lives significantly at all! Radio and television too. What trite. We should all live in the forest and sing camp songs passed down through generations and consist off of mushrooms we pick ourselves and live life free of responsibility and connections to the world. Sounds good!
Yes and more yes. Lets not forget the amazing arrow the knee jokes, world wide furry awareness, pokemon fan fiction and the ability to beat off to porn within the comfort of our own homes. I mean that last one alone was simply earth shattering. I can protest all sorts of strange things I don't understand and couldn't be bothered with in real life. Sorry, I mean IRL. All thanks to the internet. + 1 internet praising meme to you!
Of course it isn't all roses. But that's the sort of thing that happens when you have a platform every single person on the planet with access to the computer can contribute to. It's a blessing and a curse, and you have to take the bad with the good. Of course you do. That doesn't cheapen the good the internet as done any more than it amplifies how full of shit it is. I mean, this all started with, what - education? The typewriter? Anyone can write a novel. Anyone can draw a cartoon. The internet just made it easier to distribute these things. That's a brilliant thing! It's also a horrible thing, sure, but you can't just focus on that.

Besides. Most of the things you listed already existed, the internet just made you AWARE of them. People always protested things they didn't understand. People have always had sexual appetites that are considered "abnormal". People always beat off to porn within the comfort of their own home. These things all happened before the internet. The free spread of information just bought them to your attention. Nothing's changed.

And I'd argue that it's rather comforting. You have no idea how many times the internet has enriched lives by ensuring people that they're not alone in this world. You may find what they do disgusting, but there are countless others who share their passions and interests. It's made the world a smaller place, and this is a GOOD THING. A very good thing. It has made living easier for people who would have otherwise had a tough, painful life questioning their own inner existential quandries. You mentioned furries. You don't think it's BETTER that these people have found each other? I mean, the internet didn't MAKE them furries. So isn't it a GOOD thing they have a place where they can hang out free from prejudice, a private corner of the world? It wouldn't be possible without the internet. Instead of living their lives sad and alone, they build up a network of real relationships and friends who share their passions. That is surely better than being confused and bitter.

And consider, say, the advent of online suicide hotlines. People who would otherwise be adverse to killing themselves - a horrible, selfish act - now have an easy, safe place where they can retreat and seek advice. Surely that alone is worth the memes and the racism? The improvement of volatile lives? And if you don't think so, I'll have to stop this discussion and conclude that you're an idiot and a twat.
 

TorqueConverter

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I actually don't take anything I see on the internet seriously. You should not take anything I say on the internet seriously.
 

The Last Nomad

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This was so under the radar that I kinda knew it would pass, but its still possible to protest it so it gets retracted. Admitting we failed is close to giving up and thats the opposite of what we need.