OT- That remake of "The Maltese Falcon" was pretty good. You know the one with Humphrey Bogart and Peter Lorre.
TizzytheTormentor said:
Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness!
*has angry mobs of people with torches and pitchforks march towards my house*
I-I just really liked em okay! They were solid entertainment for what they were.
Yeah but have you seen Wrath of Khan? I don't think you really have to have watched the show first to enjoy it, I didn't. That's a movie that's all about characters and emotions. Regret, the fear of getting older. The power and destructive nature of blind hatred and lust for revenge. But also about hope for the future and actually growing as a person as you grow up and cope with the realities of becoming old. Fantastic movie.
Zachary Amaranth said:
TizzytheTormentor said:
I actuallly didn't realize they were so reviled until Into Darkness came out and Trekkies exploded in nerd rage like they do with every new Trek movie.
Every new Trek anything.
This came up a while back on here, where people were saying things about Abrams leaving and how we could finally get back to the Trek we all loved. And my question was: what Trek was that? It wasn't the last TV series, or the last movie. It probably wasn't any of the TNG movies, or Generations, in fact. Voyager divided the fanbase (To put it nicely), as did Star Trek: Babylon 5. Fans were bitching as far back as the aborted Phase 2. I can imagine it'd be worse if it was a time with ubiquitous internet. Hell, the death of Spock prompted newspaper ads to be taken out in protest--oldschool Trekkies were hardcore.
I take it "Star Trek: Babylon 5" is a DS9 joke? But yeah the fanbase has had a few notable schisms but not any more than one would expect from a franchise that's been going on almost 50 years, spanning about a dozen movies and hundreds of TV episodes across 6 series.
The biggest schisms didn't come until after Gene Roddenberry died. DS9 "betrayed" Roddenberry's utopian model of the future, which a lot of people would say is the whole point of Star Trek. Traditional Trek purists would say that Star Trek should be about hope and exploration, with characters who are mostly static on episodic adventures. While Niners put an emphasis on deeper more complex characters (and character relationships) with darker, more mature and intricate storylines.
While both of the shows that followed DS9 certainly have fans Voyager was frequently dumb and could be said to have betrayed the Trek vision in its own ways[footnote]Janeway would violate the prime directive all the time, unless the plot said she'd decided to follow it that week so they'd stay lost and the show could keep going. But she outdid Kirk by violating the Prime Directive in her very first episode.[/footnote] and Enterprise was canceled before it finished the story it was telling. Add to that the fact that 3 of the last 4 pre-reboot Trek movies were just awful and it's not hard to see why opinions might differ on which is the "best" version of Trek and how far back we have to go to get to it.
But the reboot doesn't really deliver on anything most older Trek fans would like. Not the hopeful vision of the future, or the exploration, or the darker and mature storylines with deep characters. Basically it turned Trek into another generic action franchise.