Adventure Time finale discussion (spoilers, duh)

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And while that's all true, that really doesn't necessitate an 'almost everyone dies' ending. Especially since the future scenes are set 1000 years in the future and that's the same distance between the current non-magical present and the land of Ooo. We know the Candy Kingdom is deserted and the citizens are inside the Prizeball guardians, but we also know it thrived and grew before that. Lemongrad wasn't destroyed, it was deserted (again, in over 1000 years)

but things like the Fern tree existing, with the finn sword at it's top kinda prove that BMO's story was more truth than fiction. Since the chain of events that led to it's creation are intimately tied to their story. Even the stuff with GOLB happened, since the Ice Thing has replaced Ice King in the future.

but really the biggest thing is

The "Come Along With Me" segment wasn't told by BMO. It's a scene happening in the present so it and the scenes from the future are unhindered by an unreliable narrator.
An unreliable narrator who wasn't there. That's the thing, let's assume Shermy and Beth is the future of things to come. You still have a BMO who can barely remember what was one human in a thousand year span of things to come. And the Ice Thing is problematic on its own ... given if we're taking the idea of some sense of cycles and rebirth, original Gunther inherits the crown after the Ice Elemental Evergreen is incapacitated and then both are killed.

Think about it like this, the treehouse is attacked, BMO is critically injured ... which isn't a big deal because I think there's been other episodes where he's split his screen andseems to have repaired himself so I'm not going to point to that as evidence his story is bogus ... but it's also the only time he makes a true entrance in the evolving narrative ... and just so happens to save Finn and Simon? With a song no less?

Golb is a deity.

BMO has no reason to lie about Betty likely dying/merged in the belly of the beast, but at the same time he has every reason to paint himself as a hero of a story about an event so ancient that no one remembers it. Even the song he sings is almost as if an affirmation that it doesn't really matter, it's almost a dirge.

The Candy Kingdom as shown in the future is no longer built of candy. Lemongrab seems utterly static, as if untouched.

In fact before showing the 'Candy Kingdom' you see a crashed vessel that is remarkably like the remnant human's air vehicles from Founder's Island.

When I say 'everyone dies' I don't mean that in a literal interpretation, more in a sense that the Great Gum War was still a thing. That it's just BMO painting a happier narrative over it. That does not mean the humans never returned to the mainland, because clearly they were likely going to eventually ... the Candy Kingdom is basically a spitting image of the pre-Mushroom War human cities of the past.

I also don't really see it as dark. I see it in the same way the show has always tackled issues of mortality. If anything I thought Prismo's resurrection and the creation of the Finn Sword is infinitely more fucked up in comparison to simply the idea the Great Gum War happened, that people died in it and BMO is just putting a happier spin on it.

It's less fucked up than the mutant human sludge monsters created through the Mushroom War, at least.

Adventure time has never been saccharine. It's always had this bent to it dealing with the exact same topics. It's just that having BMO as a narrator makes it far more open-ended. When they uncovered Finn's arm, BMO only talks about the Gum War. And as soon as Golb is expelled back to Astral space (presumably) he simply ends on the note that 'they lived their lives' ...

If BMO said; 'and they lived happily ever after...' would you then actually consider the possibility it was just a fairytale? Because that's effectively how BMO capped the story off. A fairytale for minors. So I don't necessarily see my interpretation as too far from the mark that perhaps something more tragic happened. You might interpret that as dark, but I personally don't. If anything, the reason why they have a Shermy and Beth is to highlight the idea that the adventure never really ends, even when everything else enters the forgotten haze of the past.
 

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I liked it. It was a bit annoying how they had this big buildup to the war then didn't do anything with it, like it was rushed. Not really because I felt it needed to have the war itself but because we have this buildup of characters and I wanted to see how each one of them would handle the war, then they pretty much were ignored. Really just having an episode or 2 with some of the characters having a bit of a punchup or at least exploring how they handle the idea of the war would have turned a good ending into a really good one. I feel like a couple extra episodes with just some of the characters who would play a part in the war messing around or having minor punchups would have made things feel a bit better.

I did like how music was what was able to defeat GOLB. I view one of the few things humanity could really use to justify its existence to the universe, as music. So, well done. Also, yay PB and Marcy finally managed to be made canon.
I think in a few years, they should do an Adventure Time movie when Finn is an adult.
Its been rumored there is a movie in the works for awhile now. It would be cool to have Fin as an adult in one, we still don't know whats up with the Prize Ball Guardians in the far future. On one hand I want more info, on the other, I would prefer they don't make PB a bad guy, which they do kinda flirt with.
Iirc most of the post series future was revealed in some outer media like tweets and posts from creators.

For instance, the candy people are being protected from the mad king of the rainicorn pup kingdom's mad ruler

Likely it will be focused on in future comics
Ugh, I wish I didn't just pretty much binge watch the full series, now I want the comics but I don't like collecting comics.
My brother and a friend and I are watching one season a week, already watched 1 and 2. Im trying to find the snail every episode, but I am sort of too obsessed with it and feel shitty when I miss it, season 2 is much harder than 1. ('AT' is carved on a LOT of trees in the background btw)


Yeah, I don't bother with comics really, and I hate when canon is kept to comics outside the main media. I apparently am missing tons of Mortal Kombat lore cause I don't read some comics they made for the last 2 games.
I'm kinda temped to rewatch it. It is really good, but I need to finish Bojack first. Goodluck with those snails, that little guy seems to be in every episode.

I'm not a fan of extended media being required reading, I guess if I really get into something its nice to have the option. But, I would rather just have more episodes. That would explain why the plot of MKX was so loopy, although it probably would have helped to play 9 also, too bad its not on steam.
 

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Worgen said:
Saelune said:
Worgen said:
undeadsuitor said:
Worgen said:
Saelune said:
Worgen said:
I liked it. It was a bit annoying how they had this big buildup to the war then didn't do anything with it, like it was rushed. Not really because I felt it needed to have the war itself but because we have this buildup of characters and I wanted to see how each one of them would handle the war, then they pretty much were ignored. Really just having an episode or 2 with some of the characters having a bit of a punchup or at least exploring how they handle the idea of the war would have turned a good ending into a really good one. I feel like a couple extra episodes with just some of the characters who would play a part in the war messing around or having minor punchups would have made things feel a bit better.

I did like how music was what was able to defeat GOLB. I view one of the few things humanity could really use to justify its existence to the universe, as music. So, well done. Also, yay PB and Marcy finally managed to be made canon.
I think in a few years, they should do an Adventure Time movie when Finn is an adult.
Its been rumored there is a movie in the works for awhile now. It would be cool to have Fin as an adult in one, we still don't know whats up with the Prize Ball Guardians in the far future. On one hand I want more info, on the other, I would prefer they don't make PB a bad guy, which they do kinda flirt with.
Iirc most of the post series future was revealed in some outer media like tweets and posts from creators.

For instance, the candy people are being protected from the mad king of the rainicorn pup kingdom's mad ruler

Likely it will be focused on in future comics
Ugh, I wish I didn't just pretty much binge watch the full series, now I want the comics but I don't like collecting comics.
My brother and a friend and I are watching one season a week, already watched 1 and 2. Im trying to find the snail every episode, but I am sort of too obsessed with it and feel shitty when I miss it, season 2 is much harder than 1. ('AT' is carved on a LOT of trees in the background btw)


Yeah, I don't bother with comics really, and I hate when canon is kept to comics outside the main media. I apparently am missing tons of Mortal Kombat lore cause I don't read some comics they made for the last 2 games.
I'm kinda temped to rewatch it. It is really good, but I need to finish Bojack first. Goodluck with those snails, that little guy seems to be in every episode.

I'm not a fan of extended media being required reading, I guess if I really get into something its nice to have the option. But, I would rather just have more episodes. That would explain why the plot of MKX was so loopy, although it probably would have helped to play 9 also, too bad its not on steam.
The snail is literally in every episode, from the first to the very last.


Mortal Kombat 2011 and Mortal Kombat X are both on Steam.
 

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Saelune said:
Worgen said:
Saelune said:
Worgen said:
undeadsuitor said:
Worgen said:
Saelune said:
Worgen said:
I liked it. It was a bit annoying how they had this big buildup to the war then didn't do anything with it, like it was rushed. Not really because I felt it needed to have the war itself but because we have this buildup of characters and I wanted to see how each one of them would handle the war, then they pretty much were ignored. Really just having an episode or 2 with some of the characters having a bit of a punchup or at least exploring how they handle the idea of the war would have turned a good ending into a really good one. I feel like a couple extra episodes with just some of the characters who would play a part in the war messing around or having minor punchups would have made things feel a bit better.

I did like how music was what was able to defeat GOLB. I view one of the few things humanity could really use to justify its existence to the universe, as music. So, well done. Also, yay PB and Marcy finally managed to be made canon.
I think in a few years, they should do an Adventure Time movie when Finn is an adult.
Its been rumored there is a movie in the works for awhile now. It would be cool to have Fin as an adult in one, we still don't know whats up with the Prize Ball Guardians in the far future. On one hand I want more info, on the other, I would prefer they don't make PB a bad guy, which they do kinda flirt with.
Iirc most of the post series future was revealed in some outer media like tweets and posts from creators.

For instance, the candy people are being protected from the mad king of the rainicorn pup kingdom's mad ruler

Likely it will be focused on in future comics
Ugh, I wish I didn't just pretty much binge watch the full series, now I want the comics but I don't like collecting comics.
My brother and a friend and I are watching one season a week, already watched 1 and 2. Im trying to find the snail every episode, but I am sort of too obsessed with it and feel shitty when I miss it, season 2 is much harder than 1. ('AT' is carved on a LOT of trees in the background btw)


Yeah, I don't bother with comics really, and I hate when canon is kept to comics outside the main media. I apparently am missing tons of Mortal Kombat lore cause I don't read some comics they made for the last 2 games.
I'm kinda temped to rewatch it. It is really good, but I need to finish Bojack first. Goodluck with those snails, that little guy seems to be in every episode.

I'm not a fan of extended media being required reading, I guess if I really get into something its nice to have the option. But, I would rather just have more episodes. That would explain why the plot of MKX was so loopy, although it probably would have helped to play 9 also, too bad its not on steam.
The snail is literally in every episode, from the first to the very last.


Mortal Kombat 2011 and Mortal Kombat X are both on Steam.
Seems to frequently also impact the story too.

Oh dammit, how did I miss that. I was in the mood for a fighting game awhile back and got MKX when it was on sale but I actually wanted the other one and just missed it somehow.
 

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Its at this point that I can safely say that:

Lesbianism is now offcially mainstream and normalized. Male Gays now have to catch up

Mind you I meant no offense when I say this, I just seem to notice the trend where one side is becoming more and more accepted in mainstream then the other.
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