Aerith Died By Drowning?

[krazykidd]

why was there no blood?!

... Because it was the 90's and the technology really wasn't there to support the addition of blood or gore to the very limited animated cut scene.

That is like playing FF7 and coming to the conclusion that every one in the game is a Deaf mute that communicates through sign and body language as there is no audio with the game.

Theres blood when sephiroths dies at the end due to omnislash , try again.

OT: very funny video , was it planned by the developpers? Guess we'll never know

 

[dickywebster]

Better question, why didnt he just use a phoenix down???
Ive brought her back a few times before that moment, why not then? =P
But then you probably dont want to read too far into most of the ff series as your asking for mind bending trouble.

 

[Hides His Eyes]

Aeris dies? THANKS FOR THE SPOILER, JERK.

Next you'll be telling me Bruce Willis is a ghost, the Titanic sinks, Jesus dies, Kevin Spacey can fake a limp, and portals can open on the moon.


But seriously, Cloud (at least, my Cloud, who I named MR. FLIBBLE) had, like, 99 Phoenix Downs in his inventory at the time.

Nothing personal against you my friend but...

for the last goddamn time pheonix down doesn't bring people back to life, it cures a status called K.O. - knocked out. It's game over if your whole party is K.O.d because there's no one left to use pheonix down so you're at the enemies' mercy or bleed to death in your sleep. You couldn't have used pheonix down on Aeris after the cutscene because she was actually dead.

 

[Hides His Eyes]

Better question, why didnt he just use a phoenix down???
Ive brought her back a few times before that moment, why not then? =P
But then you probably dont want to read too far into most of the ff series as your asking for mind bending trouble.

You too, buddy. Pheonix Down cures K.O., it doesn't cure death.

I hate to be a jerk but there are two things I can't fucking abide when people talk about FF, and this is one of them. (The other is the "why is it called final when there's so many of them?" quip, always said with a self-satisfied smirk as if the person wasn't the fifteen millionth person to think of it).

 

[Pyramid Head]

Actually now that you bring it up, that makes sense. Aeris wasn't bleeding, there was some mystical BS tied to Sephiroth's sword, and in battle you suffered worse injuries that couldn't be healed with a little magic or a potion. Plus, in Japanese entertainment items you also see people not only suffer spinal cord injuries ranging from a novelty oversized shuriken in the back to an entire fucking arm through your body tearing a quarter of the spinal cord out and the characters not only survive but can still move.

...wow Cloud. You drowned Aeris. What a dick. Now my stance is even stronger. Sephiroth should have murdered Cloud and someone else should have taken control of the party to save the world and maybe claim to be trying to avenge that whining bitches sorry ass when they finally do go up against Sephiroth.

 

[dickywebster]

Better question, why didnt he just use a phoenix down???
Ive brought her back a few times before that moment, why not then? =P
But then you probably dont want to read too far into most of the ff series as your asking for mind bending trouble.

You too, buddy. Pheonix Down cures K.O., it doesn't cure death.

I hate to be a jerk but there are two things I can't fucking abide when people talk about FF, and this is one of them. (The other is the "why is it called final when there's so many of them?" quip, always said with a self-satisfied smirk as if the person wasn't the fifteen millionth person to think of it).

Well its a logic hole i keep picking at, before i rememebr its ff and give up =P
Oh and the final part of final fantasy is easy, i know a lot of people joke about it but it doesnt take more than a minute with google to find the reason for the name...
Not like most of SE's series with the same name share a lot in common (like dragon quest).
But ultimately i only care about one thing with ff, how much of my life its taken from me =P

 

[Princess Rose]

Aeris dies? THANKS FOR THE SPOILER, JERK.

Next you'll be telling me Bruce Willis is a ghost, the Titanic sinks, Jesus dies, Kevin Spacey can fake a limp, and portals can open on the moon.


But seriously, Cloud (at least, my Cloud, who I named MR. FLIBBLE) had, like, 99 Phoenix Downs in his inventory at the time.

You made me think of this...

Spoiler: Spoilered for Size - Be warned

I love FF7, but there are several moments of Disconnect where you wonder why you can't use your items and abilities outside of battle.

I mean, I can sort of see Aeris - a KO is technically just being "knocked out" - even if you get knocked out by being riddled with bullets by an automatic weapon (or, you know, being crushed by a giant WEAPON) but even assuming that, the Soft one is really so true. ^^;;

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Semi-OT: Anyone else just a general fan of this kind of overanalyzing?

No, I hate this kind of overanalyzing as it tends to ruin my enjoyment of whatever it is that's being overanalyzed.

EDIT: Also it tends to make me faceplam... HARD!

 

[Hides His Eyes]

Better question, why didnt he just use a phoenix down???
Ive brought her back a few times before that moment, why not then? =P
But then you probably dont want to read too far into most of the ff series as your asking for mind bending trouble.

You too, buddy. Pheonix Down cures K.O., it doesn't cure death.

I hate to be a jerk but there are two things I can't fucking abide when people talk about FF, and this is one of them. (The other is the "why is it called final when there's so many of them?" quip, always said with a self-satisfied smirk as if the person wasn't the fifteen millionth person to think of it).

Well its a logic hole i keep picking at, before i rememebr its ff and give up =P
Oh and the final part of final fantasy is easy, i know a lot of people joke about it but it doesnt take more than a minute with google to find the reason for the name...
Not like most of SE's series with the same name share a lot in common (like dragon quest).
But ultimately i only care about one thing with ff, how much of my life its taken from me =P

I just closed the logic hole, didn't I?? PD doesn't bring people back to life. When your characters go down in battle they're not dead, just incapacitated. After that cutscene, however, Aeris WAS dead and so couldn't be brought back.

As for the whole thing of people taking more powerful hits in combat and shrugging them off, I think the thing to realise is that the battles in FF are highly representational. I don't think we're actually being asked by Square to believe that Cloud and his friends can survive being stabbed and shot or that they take turns hitting each other; that's just the form they chose for the combat. They obviously weren't going for the closely-integrated-story-and-gameplay approach that Yahtzee is always on about - and which I agree is a very good thing in a game - but I'll let them off because it's just such a good game anyway.

 

[No_Remainders]

This is actually a bit stupid.

He's totally over-analysing all of this. It's ridiculous.

It's people like you who are holding the world back. Shut the fuck up.

First of all, nice hostility you got there.

Secondly, I'm holding the world back? If it was something useful that this guy invested his time in, it'd be fine, I'd support it. Over-analysing a video game is NOT going to help our race or society advance in any way, shape or form, and you'd be stupid as fuck to think it will.

 

[Hides His Eyes]

This is actually a bit stupid.

He's totally over-analysing all of this. It's ridiculous.

It's people like you who are holding the world back. Shut the fuck up.

First of all, nice hostility you got there.

Secondly, I'm holding the world back? If it was something useful that this guy invested his time in, it'd be fine, I'd support it. Over-analysing a video game is NOT going to help our race or society advance in any way, shape or form, and you'd be stupid as fuck to think it will.

I kind of got the impression the guy's video was a joke. Tongue-in-cheek? Ironic? ...These terms mean anything to anyone?

 

[dickywebster]

Better question, why didnt he just use a phoenix down???
Ive brought her back a few times before that moment, why not then? =P
But then you probably dont want to read too far into most of the ff series as your asking for mind bending trouble.

You too, buddy. Pheonix Down cures K.O., it doesn't cure death.

I hate to be a jerk but there are two things I can't fucking abide when people talk about FF, and this is one of them. (The other is the "why is it called final when there's so many of them?" quip, always said with a self-satisfied smirk as if the person wasn't the fifteen millionth person to think of it).

Well its a logic hole i keep picking at, before i rememebr its ff and give up =P
Oh and the final part of final fantasy is easy, i know a lot of people joke about it but it doesnt take more than a minute with google to find the reason for the name...
Not like most of SE's series with the same name share a lot in common (like dragon quest).
But ultimately i only care about one thing with ff, how much of my life its taken from me =P

I just closed the logic hole, didn't I?? PD doesn't bring people back to life. When your characters go down in battle they're not dead, just incapacitated. After that cutscene, however, Aeris WAS dead and so couldn't be brought back.

As for the whole thing of people taking more powerful hits in combat and shrugging them off, I think the thing to realise is that the battles in FF are highly representational. I don't think we're actually being asked by Square to believe that Cloud and his friends can survive being stabbed and shot or that they take turns hitting each other; that's just the form they chose for the combat. They obviously weren't going for the closely-integrated-story-and-gameplay approach that Yahtzee is always on about - and which I agree is a very good thing in a game - but I'll let them off because it's just such a good game anyway.

You did that.

And you could always take the view that its ff and a lot of it doesnt make sense so questioning its just gonna give you a headache.
But then you could say they just block in combat and getting a huge sword rammed through your chest in a sneak attack is kinda hard to block, if you wanted some logic to it.

 

[Madara XIII]

Well the Masamune of Japanese legend was a blade so sharp it never drew blood, so that and the not wanting a higher rating is what they were going for.

Although as for people calling Cloud 'emo', it's a pet peeve of mine. He has all his hopes and dreams destroyed, his childhood town burnt along with everyone there, including his mother, tehn he's experimented on for years and has his mind broken, then Zack dies, then he sees Sector 7 destroyed because of him, then Aerith dies, then he finds out his entire identity is a lie that Tifa (who he probably trusts most) didn't point this out to him, remembers all the shit he went through before, gets Mako poisoning and puts everything aside long enough to save the world and then people complain whenever he's upset. Gee, I wonder why he's feeling blue?

I'm not saying Cloud is an amazing character, or that FFVII is "teh bestest gmae EVAR!!!!11!!!1! n u iz teh n00bz iff u fink diffurnt!!!1!!!!1" so please dont' mistake me for a whiny fanboy. And I'm really not trying to attack you or anyone personally, but Cloud, Tifa and Aerith's characters are accidentally or deliberately misunderstood so damn often it really bugs me.

You know that's excellent point. Considering the $hit he went through, it's a wonder how he managed to push on and save the planet.

 

[Hides His Eyes]

Now that you've got me thinking about this, Aeris was dunked into the lake with all of her clothes on... I think that would be a factor in her sinking...More than a hole through her midsection, or naked dead body buoyancy physics.

The thing is, going back and playing through it, he doesn't *really* whine, at least not excessively. It's like watching Casablanca and realising nobody ever says "Play it again, Sam". Like I said, I'm not trying to flame anybody that thinks otherwise.

And despite whatever troubles there may be with Cloud's character, at least he's not Vaan!

-nods in solemn agreement-

And while it has been a while that I've played FF7, I'll add myself among the number that don't remember Cloud being 'emo'. He had issues; a vulnerability to mind control being one of them. He also had MEMORIES, both bitter and sweet (which is one thing I did like about his presentation of character). If I think 'emo', I'm thinking of Squall; vividly remember several moments where he spazes out in a time that the people around him actually need him.

I'm glad I'm not alone on this.

I think the problem is that Cloud kind of ushered in an era of moody, angst-driven, Hamlet-esque game heroes which audiences tired of very quickly. This is understandable, since most of the examples since were done very badly (see Sturgeon's Law). People seem to either forget, deliberately not acknowledge, or be too much of a philistine to even see just how expertly written Cloud's character actually was. The fact that the idea has been done badly by a thousand imitators in the time since should not be held against FF7. The whole thing stinks of trendy, disingenuous, cynicism.

 

[Pyro Paul]

why was there no blood?!

... Because it was the 90's and the technology really wasn't there to support the addition of blood or gore to the very limited animated cut scene.

That is like playing FF7 and coming to the conclusion that every one in the game is a Deaf mute that communicates through sign and body language as there is no audio with the game.

Theres blood when sephiroths dies at the end due to omnislash , try again.

OT: very funny video , was it planned by the developpers? Guess we'll never know

Wrong.
Very Wrong.
So wrong that it hurts my head.

That is a Texture map change which is introduced as a completely new scene.

The capability to render animated texture changes, such as blood from a wound, did not exist at the time. Even in your suggested scene.

Sephiroth does not aquire visually cuts during the omni-slash attack, nor are we shown his wound bleeding. we simply see Omni-slash hitting, then a scene where he is all bloodied.... like all his cuts decided to wait until cloud was done before they spouted forth blood and did all of this in a matter of 1/2 a second.

 

[Madara XIII]

Well the Masamune of Japanese legend was a blade so sharp it never drew blood, so that and the not wanting a higher rating is what they were going for.

Although as for people calling Cloud 'emo', it's a pet peeve of mine. He has all his hopes and dreams destroyed, his childhood town burnt along with everyone there, including his mother, tehn he's experimented on for years and has his mind broken, then Zack dies, then he sees Sector 7 destroyed because of him, then Aerith dies, then he finds out his entire identity is a lie that Tifa (who he probably trusts most) didn't point this out to him, remembers all the shit he went through before, gets Mako poisoning and puts everything aside long enough to save the world and then people complain whenever he's upset. Gee, I wonder why he's feeling blue?

I'm not saying Cloud is an amazing character, or that FFVII is "teh bestest gmae EVAR!!!!11!!!1! n u iz teh n00bz iff u fink diffurnt!!!1!!!!1" so please dont' mistake me for a whiny fanboy. And I'm really not trying to attack you or anyone personally, but Cloud, Tifa and Aerith's characters are accidentally or deliberately misunderstood so damn often it really bugs me.

Yeah but for someone leading a group to save the world he is kinda whiny about it. I think they just threw all these issues at Cloud to make him seem more tragic, but most the FF heroes had tragic things happen to them. Hell one didn't even exists if I remember FFX right, another lost both parents and lived on his own for the long time(Bartz FF5), One lost her identity and purpose and was scared that she would die from saving the world (Terra FF6), another was pretty much killed his girl/blamed himself for it (Locke FF6), One can't piece what his past was (Squall FF8), one lost the love of her life (Yuna FFX), another lost her/his village due to a corrupt power who saw them as a threat (Rydia FFIV/Cyan FFVI). While I can see why the "emo" thing is a pet peeve and I can see why he would be upset, it's just that square pretty much forced the tragic victim on cloud when

A)He wasn't the only one to suffer

B)He just has so many damn problems that for me at least I can't take it seriously.

The thing is, going back and playing through it, he doesn't *really* whine, at least not excessively. It's like watching Casablanca and realising nobody ever says "Play it again, Sam". Like I said, I'm not trying to flame anybody that thinks otherwise.

And despite whatever troubles there may be with Cloud's character, at least he's not Vaan!

I agree on the last part 100%, and pretty much what you said. It's just watching the movie made me wanna burn the disc in a white hot fire.

HI! I'm CAPTAIN BASCH FON RONSENBURG OF DALMASCA! Don't believe in Ondore's Lies!

BASCH LIVES!!

 

[Madara XIII]

I stumbled across a video series this morning where the host used real-world research to analyze Aerith's death in FFVII. I thought it was amusing and wanted to get your opinion on the issue.

What do you guys think?

I F*cking LOL'd the whole way through. Good on ya dude. I love it. Absolutely love this series now and I plan on watching more. Thanks for the entertainment my friend.

Secondly! GOD DAMN IT CLOUD!! It's all your fault!

 

[Hides His Eyes]

Better question, why didnt he just use a phoenix down???
Ive brought her back a few times before that moment, why not then? =P
But then you probably dont want to read too far into most of the ff series as your asking for mind bending trouble.

You too, buddy. Pheonix Down cures K.O., it doesn't cure death.

I hate to be a jerk but there are two things I can't fucking abide when people talk about FF, and this is one of them. (The other is the "why is it called final when there's so many of them?" quip, always said with a self-satisfied smirk as if the person wasn't the fifteen millionth person to think of it).

Well its a logic hole i keep picking at, before i rememebr its ff and give up =P
Oh and the final part of final fantasy is easy, i know a lot of people joke about it but it doesnt take more than a minute with google to find the reason for the name...
Not like most of SE's series with the same name share a lot in common (like dragon quest).
But ultimately i only care about one thing with ff, how much of my life its taken from me =P

I just closed the logic hole, didn't I?? PD doesn't bring people back to life. When your characters go down in battle they're not dead, just incapacitated. After that cutscene, however, Aeris WAS dead and so couldn't be brought back.

As for the whole thing of people taking more powerful hits in combat and shrugging them off, I think the thing to realise is that the battles in FF are highly representational. I don't think we're actually being asked by Square to believe that Cloud and his friends can survive being stabbed and shot or that they take turns hitting each other; that's just the form they chose for the combat. They obviously weren't going for the closely-integrated-story-and-gameplay approach that Yahtzee is always on about - and which I agree is a very good thing in a game - but I'll let them off because it's just such a good game anyway.

You did that.

And you could always take the view that its ff and a lot of it doesnt make sense so questioning its just gonna give you a headache.
But then you could say they just block in combat and getting a huge sword rammed through your chest in a sneak attack is kinda hard to block, if you wanted some logic to it.

Yeah, I guess. I'm not into trying to logically explain everything though. To me fiction and art, and especially computer games, and doubly especially Japanese games, are about the weird and the wonderful. If I want realism I'll just get on with my life, to be honest. Realism has its place in many works of fiction, but unlike a lot of people I don't go around expecting it everywhere I look.

 

[Nieroshai]

I don't think it is actually water though, I'm pretty sure it is raw, natural mako. It is at the heart of the ancient temple.

Only problem with that though is the effect raw mako has later, also considering that it kinda glows. My opinion is that, like in most final fantasy games, the fact that you even have tents, cottages, and phoenix down are considered non-canon to the plot as represented by the cutscenes. Notice how Cloud never wields his other swords? It isn't canon that he wields or discovers any of them. If summons were canon, the planet would be obliterated. Unless like in Crisis Core you get transported to a pocket dimension by the summon. Another explanation comes from FF4. Palum and Porom willingly turn to stone to stop the walls from closing in, so Esuna doesn't work on them. Perhaps Aeris died willingly to activate the white materia (Maybe a sacrifice was necessary?) and Phoenix Down only works on unwilling deaths.