After the nuclear catastrophe that was Metroid: Other M,what could nintendo do to make the next one

[weker]

So far my experience with with other M is fine, with the only exclusion being the awful story that I am forced to be pushed through with no skip button on offer.
I mean how on earth do they think Samus having a inner monologue with her saying drivel like it pierced my heart, because some of the marines called he girl names, that's excluding the massive explanation as to why she thumbs down.
It was like Bionic commando all over again.

 

[Kroxile]

it wasn't a "nuclear catastrophe". the very fact that the game earned a profit kind of keeps it from being a catastrophe at all. yes there were people who hated it but every game has somebody who hates it. I honestly never cared whether Samus spoke or not. now if Link or mario were to speak I'd be mad but Samus is supposed to be a developed character. Mario has almost no personality (key word: almost) and Link is supposed to be an avatar for the player. samus on the other hand has in fact spoken before Other M even if it was only to the player. Mario and Link have not because we're supposed to use our imaginations for them.

I'm not going to say whether I like it or not to avoid an argument but saying it's a catastrophe just because you and some people you know didn't like it doesn't make it so. A very large number of people like it. If it has a noticeable fanbase you can't really call it a catastrophe now can you?

Ugh, my golden days of Super Mario 64 have me recalling Mario speaking far too much.

Game was the pinnacle of excellence in its day but Mario and his voice caused me to rage everytime I caught my butt on fire or fell into a pit, lol.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Opinions are completely irrelevant because there is no way to get an accurate grasp on them.

You know, the whole "but quality is subjective! Therefore any criticism of my favorite thing is invalid!" argument is what people also use to defend Dragon Age 2, Eragon, and Twilight.

Metroid: Other M is a bad game because it is sexist, because it is badly written, and because it fails to capture the gameplay and setting elements that made previous Metroid games an enjoyable experience. Sure, some people enjoy it, but some people also enjoy Twilight.

 

[Dansen]

I'll second everyone who said that Metroid needs exploration and desolation. I absolutely adored roaming around those Chozo ruins in Metroid Prime 1, figuring out all kinds of details about what happened to that planet, about all the plant and animal life. It made Metroid special.

How about some actual bounty hunting?

Hah! You'll have to stick with this for that:
The rumors of it getting cancelled better be wrong. Seriously, it's basically the wet dream of everyone who ever wanted to play as Boba Fett.

If prey doesn't work out you should check out this game, Star Wars Bounty Hunter its a really well made underrated game.

 

[Epicspoon]

Opinions are completely irrelevant because there is no way to get an accurate grasp on them.

You know, the whole "but quality is subjective! Therefore any criticism of my favorite thing is invalid!" argument is what people also use to defend Dragon Age 2, Eragon, and Twilight.

Metroid: Other M is a bad game because it is sexist, because it is badly written, and because it fails to capture the gameplay and setting elements that made previous Metroid games an enjoyable experience. Sure, some people enjoy it, but some people also enjoy Twilight.

yes people enjoy twilight. in fact it was extremely successful and still makes a fuckton of money to this day. I don't read twilight but I have nothing against it. most people only hate it in the first place because it's FUN to hate. I like Eragon but dislike the movie. by the way did you know that the Eragon movie did in fact bomb in the box office? I have no opinion on dragon age at all and don't care enough to research it. none of this changes the fact that there is a HUGE number of people who like twilight making twilight sucessful both financially and among the fanbase. these examples are also in completely different situations,rendering their comparison to metroid redundant. even dragon age because it's a completely different style of game aimed at a different audience. it's also difficult to call metroid sexist when this is the first time she's been characterized. it's sexist because she get's scared a few times or because she feels a maternal attachment to a creature? these are real feelings that humans feel and they are a realistic combination of emotions as well. it's up to the creators how they apply these emotions to their characters. not you or the fans of the game. but even if you DO measure the people that dislike the game you can only measure it's sucess among the target audience so comparing things like Twilight is pointless because most of the people who hate it are outside the target audience. but none of this changes the fact that you cannot in fact accurately measure the number of people who like or dislike it because not everybody will answer and some people would flat out lie. success is not determined by the overall reception but whether or not the individual who made an attempt succeeded in what they were trying to do. Nintendo was trying to make money and they did. they were doing an experiment to find out how fans would react to a more humanized Samus and they did the experiment. it can only be described as a nuclear catastrophe if it failed on all points of their attempt. it didn't. if Metroid is a nuclear catastrophe then what would the movie plan 9 from outer space be? it's quality was absolutely terrible but it still has many fans to this day.

 

[Avatar Roku]

Opinions are completely irrelevant because there is no way to get an accurate grasp on them.

You know, the whole "but quality is subjective! Therefore any criticism of my favorite thing is invalid!" argument is what people also use to defend Dragon Age 2, Eragon, and Twilight.

Metroid: Other M is a bad game because it is sexist, because it is badly written, and because it fails to capture the gameplay and setting elements that made previous Metroid games an enjoyable experience. Sure, some people enjoy it, but some people also enjoy Twilight.

yes people enjoy twilight. in fact it was extremely successful and still makes a fuckton of money to this day. I don't read twilight but I have nothing against it. most people only hate it in the first place because it's FUN to hate. I like Eragon but dislike the movie. by the way did you know that the Eragon movie did in fact bomb in the box office? I have no opinion on dragon age at all and don't care enough to research it. none of this changes the fact that there is a HUGE number of people who like twilight making twilight sucessful both financially and among the fanbase. these examples are also in completely different situations,rendering their comparison to metroid redundant. even dragon age because it's a completely different style of game aimed at a different audience. it's also difficult to call metroid sexist when this is the first time she's been characterized. it's sexist because she get's scared a few times or because she feels a maternal attachment to a creature? these are real feelings that humans feel and they are a realistic combination of emotions as well. it's up to the creators how they apply these emotions to their characters. not you or the fans of the game. but even if you DO measure the people that dislike the game you can only measure it's sucess among the target audience so comparing things like Twilight is pointless because most of the people who hate it are outside the target audience. but none of this changes the fact that you cannot in fact accurately measure the number of people who like or dislike it because not everybody will answer and some people would flat out lie. success is not determined by the overall reception but whether or not the individual who made an attempt succeeded in what they were trying to do. Nintendo was trying to make money and they did. they were doing an experiment to find out how fans would react to a more humanized Samus and they did the experiment. it can only be described as a nuclear catastrophe if it failed on all points of their attempt. it didn't. if Metroid is a nuclear catastrophe then what would the movie plan 9 from outer space be? it's quality was absolutely terrible but it still has many fans to this day.

First off: I don't usually do this, but could you please try to write in a more clear way? The lack of grammar makes this hard to read.

Second: This is not the first time Samus was characterized. Ever played Metroid Fusion? In that game, she has several internal monologues and some actual dialogue at the end. In the very first monologue, she tells us that she HATES taking orders, and only does so when she is forced to. So what's the first thing she does in Other M? Submit to authority for no logical reason.

Third: It's sexist because they essentially reduced Samus to a uterus with legs.This [http://moonbase.rydia.net/mental/blog/gaming/metroid-other-m-the-elephant/article.html] guy explains it better than I do (never thought I'd have to link to that again).

 

[likalaruku]

I know how they can make it WORSE. They already removed her from her masculine suit & stuck her in a skintight sex-object suit, then made her super emotional & dependent on a man. Obviously the next step is a tentacle space monster, adding a Power Girl-style boob window to the suit, & have her retire from any form of combat so she can raise children. If ths sounds awesome to you, kindly shoot yourself in the dick.

 

[Epicspoon]

First off: I don't usually do this, but could you please try to write in a more clear way? The lack of grammar makes this hard to read.

Second: This is not the first time Samus was characterized. Ever played Metroid Fusion? In that game, she has several internal monologues and some actual dialogue at the end. In the very first monologue, she tells us that she HATES taking orders, and only does so when she is forced to. So what's the first thing she does in Other M? Submit to authority for no logical reason.

Third: It's sexist because they essentially reduced Samus to a uterus with legs.This [http://moonbase.rydia.net/mental/blog/gaming/metroid-other-m-the-elephant/article.html] guy explains it better than I do (never thought I'd have to link to that again).

Okay I don't understand why it reduces her to a walking uterus when there isn't any indication of reproduction for her. It would be more accurate to say a walking bag of estrogen or something. also metroid fusion takes place after other m. the reason she says she hates taking orders is BECAUSE of the events in this game. and finally none of this changes that Nintendo Succeeded in what they were trying to do. make money and experiment to see how fans would react. they did both of these and weren't really trying to do anything else. even if EVERYBODY hated it (which they don't) it's impossible for an experiment to fail because they only reason for it is to see effects of different things and they STILL made money from it. It might not be on par with Metroid Prime from all of the fans point of view but that was the entire point of the game. to see who would like these changes and who wouldn't. if all of the fans had actually loved it that would have just been a bonus. I'm not trying to make people like it, I'm just trying to point out that it wasn't a total failure. that's part of the reason I'm not commenting on my thoughts of the game, because it's irrelevant to my argument.

 

[Uszi]

Just make the exact opposite design choices in future games as were made in Other M.

You'll wind up with something that's roughly Metroid again.

 

[Waaghpowa]

It was the story of Other M that I thought was stupid. If they kept the gameplay from it I don't think I would complain since it was like playing Classic 2D Metroid fused with Ninja Gaiden.

If they actually want it to work for sure? Make another Prime or go back to the sidescroller.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Opinions are completely irrelevant because there is no way to get an accurate grasp on them.

You know, the whole "but quality is subjective! Therefore any criticism of my favorite thing is invalid!" argument is what people also use to defend Dragon Age 2, Eragon, and Twilight.

Metroid: Other M is a bad game because it is sexist, because it is badly written, and because it fails to capture the gameplay and setting elements that made previous Metroid games an enjoyable experience. Sure, some people enjoy it, but some people also enjoy Twilight.

yes people enjoy twilight. in fact it was extremely successful and still makes a fuckton of money to this day. I don't read twilight but I have nothing against it. most people only hate it in the first place because it's FUN to hate. I like Eragon but dislike the movie. by the way did you know that the Eragon movie did in fact bomb in the box office? I have no opinion on dragon age at all and don't care enough to research it. none of this changes the fact that there is a HUGE number of people who like twilight making twilight sucessful both financially and among the fanbase. these examples are also in completely different situations,rendering their comparison to metroid redundant. even dragon age because it's a completely different style of game aimed at a different audience.

My point is that those works are both popular and obviously terrible to anyone with any degree of experience and/or good taste in their respective media. "Popular" does not necessarily translate to "good."

it's also difficult to call metroid sexist when this is the first time she's been characterized. it's sexist because she get's scared a few times or because she feels a maternal attachment to a creature? these are real feelings that humans feel and they are a realistic combination of emotions as well.

It's sexist because in Other M Samus basically has little to no personality traits outside of various negative stereotypes associated with women.

it's up to the creators how they apply these emotions to their characters.

Yep, and it's up to us to call them out on it when they do a atrocious job.

 

[Epicspoon]

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your argument is once again redundant. please see my most recent post before this one to understand why you are completely missing the point. (you haven't read it because it was a comment to somebody else)

 

[Kahunaburger]

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your argument is once again redundant. please see my most recent post before this one to understand why you are completely missing the point. (you haven't read it because it was a comment to somebody else)

You know, actually making a winning argument is more effective than saying you're winning an argument.

 

[Epicspoon]

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your argument is once again redundant. please see my most recent post before this one to understand why you are completely missing the point. (you haven't read it because it was a comment to somebody else)

You know, actually making a winning argument is more effective than saying you're winning an argument.

I never said I won the argument. I'm saying I'm not arguing what you think I am. in fact I'm pretty sure you just tried to say you won the argument.

 

[xPixelatedx]

After the nuclear catastrophe that was Metroid: Other M

Other M was absolutely Fantastic!

No, I am not being sarcastic. As a veteran of all the 2D games, this was the closest thing we got to another Super Metroid and not an FPS on a console. The only complaint I have against it is Samus herself... but you know what? I don't care because the best Metroid games have no dialog at all, they are about the games, not Samus. It was easy to ignore her because I could just mute the TV at the cut-scenes, and I did at some point.

What should they do for the next metroid game to make it spectacular? They should try to make another game like Super or the hand held games. Ever Play Shadow Complex? It's the closest thing I have played on a console that has felt like a Metroid game. They should do something like that. Or even better... HD sprites!!! Also NO DIALOG.

 

[Kahunaburger]

I'm saying I'm not arguing what you think I am.

I'm arguing that Other M is a bad game. I'm not really that interested in what you're arguing, particularly because you don't seem very interested in expressing your argument in a concise fashion.

 

[Zetatrain]

While I actually thought Other M was okay, in both story and gameplay, I would like to return to the the Metroid Prime's stlye of gameplay and leave the metroidvania gameplay for the handhelds.

 

[Epicspoon]

I'm saying I'm not arguing what you think I am.

I'm arguing that Other M is a bad game. I'm not really that interested in what you're arguing, particularly because you don't seem very interested in expressing your argument in a concise fashion.

*facepalm* if you weren't interested in what I was arguing then you shouldn't have argued it in the first place. stop wasting my time.

 

[Kahunaburger]

I'm saying I'm not arguing what you think I am.

I'm arguing that Other M is a bad game. I'm not really that interested in what you're arguing, particularly because you don't seem very interested in expressing your argument in a concise fashion.

*facepalm* if you weren't interested in what I was arguing then you shouldn't have argued it in the first place. stop wasting my time.

I like how you respond to what you think I'm saying as opposed to responding to the actual text of my posts. It's entertaining.

 

[WhiteFangofWhoa]

Just go on like the last one didn't happen. Most of their player base will be happy to oblige them if the next one is up to Prime's standards.

Metroid has been shown to work as both FPS and 2D sidescroller, though it's understandable that they'd try something new to break away from Prime lest the whole series become purely FPS mold. I'd like to see a mix of the two- something that looks 3D despite being confined to a single plane most of the time as seen in Contra: Shattered Soldier. Include a new Scope that allows Samus to shoot at enemies hiding in the background layer, forcing them to come out and fight, as well as a dedicated button for instantaneous Morph Ball changing to avoid projectiles, as seen in some of MP3's cutscenes.

Story-wise, they're pretty open after Fusion. Of course you have to find some new way of incorporating Metroids into the storyline now. They, along with the SA-X, created some tense survival segments I'd like to see revisited with some new terror of deep space hunting you wherever you go.

Be patient folks. Remember how long the gap between Super and Prime was. It'll be back, but they want to take the time to get it dead-on after what happened last time.