Age of Empires : Definitive Edition REQUIRES Win10 To Run!

[Ravinoff]

Technology changes, and eventually software needs to be upgraded like hardware. The difference is the former is more critical due to various external factors, yet it seems only the latter escapes the brunt of user uproar. Ironic, considering it typically also carries the significantly higher cost basis of doing so.

The thing is, hardware upgrades tend to have very tangible benefits. Eg. if I were to drop CA$1500 on a GTX1080Ti (damn crypto miners), I'd see an immediate improvement in my framerates at max settings in a number of games. A new processor would speed up converting video, not that an i7-6700K is any slouch on that front. But recent OS updates have been consistently worse in terms of user experience, privacy, and a dozen other aspects. And on top of that, Microsoft have been aggressively pushing upgrading to the new versions, to the point of being nearly malware, and attaching similar suspicious telemetry collection updates to previous OS versions.

 

[TopazFusion]

isnt this what EVERY single company that offers somekind of software "forces" you to do? I understand completely that Microsoft wants as many as possible to use Windows 10 and its Windows Store, they are simply doing what every other company would do.

Anyhow guys its not like every freaking other company out there is doing the same thing.....

Speaking generally, "Everyone else is doing it, so that makes it okay" is absolutely awful reasoning, and I wish people would stop using it to excuse bad business practices.

 

[Arnoxthe1]

Forced updates, the damn OS practically following your every step. I really wouldn't be suprised if they're gonna add ads on the desktop on the future.

Forced updates is somewhat true. I just shut the whole damn thing off though to be honest. And the OS is following you just as much as any other recent Windows version. Microsoft is just more open about it in 10 than others. At least in 10 you can shut it all off.

 

[Bilious Green_v1legacy]

Given all the problems my friends have had with Win10 (like force restarting their system in the middle of a WoW raid) and various other issues, I'm in no hurry to use it. I'm going to hold off as long as practically possible, given what a pain in the ass it seems to be and what a regression it is in terms of user control and privacy.

 

[Balnazzardi89]

I personally think it would be better if Microsoft finally ditched Xbox and started putting more resources into properly supporting DirectX PC gaming API?s. Let Sony and Nintendo have consoles. Maybe Apple can get into the fray if a third player is needed.

Well why I do want Microsoft to also put more resources to PC gaming, I dont support the idea of ditching Xbox.....the more competition we have on console market, the better, even if many do already regard Xbox "obsolete" in this competition and those who DO use Windows 10 and have capable rig, have little to no reason to buy Xbox alongside their gaming PC.

But like said, the more competition there is on console market, the better, so I hope Microsoft wont ditch Xbox.

 

[Balnazzardi89]

isnt this what EVERY single company that offers somekind of software "forces" you to do? I understand completely that Microsoft wants as many as possible to use Windows 10 and its Windows Store, they are simply doing what every other company would do.

Anyhow guys its not like every freaking other company out there is doing the same thing.....

Speaking generally, "Everyone else is doing it, so that makes it okay" is absolutely awful reasoning, and I wish people would stop using it to excuse bad business practices.

Again how the heck is that bad business practice and how this sudddenly is freaking bad thing?

Ever since Microsoft came into this business they have been "forcing" you to update to newer version of Windows eventually...the difference with Windows 10 was (like I already said before) they were offering it for FREE for well over an year, for ALL Windows 7 and Windows 8 users, so essentially, you didnt have to pay single penny for Windows 10 unless you happened to be Vista or XP user in which case you likely would have needed to buy new freaking PC anyway....

But again ofc as consumer you have the choice to not use Windows, if you are so freaking tiredof Microsoft's business practices...

Its just that I honestly cant see where all your whining is coming from...Microsoft offered this OS free, you had the choice whether or not to take that offer, I took it, have been using Windows 10 for over year (or 2 years?) now, and have had nothing to complain about. Yes the notifications were annoying, but you can turn those off and I never had a problem with automatic updates, without them I would likely never remember to install those updates.

And while I agree that Windows Store could be developed further for better user experience, I never had any significant problems with it either...so again it just puzzled me why so many of you are so hugely negative about Windows10/Windows Store, but hey not my problem

 

[EscapistAccount]

Compared to 7 and 8, W10 is really restricting. Forced updates, the damn OS practically following your every step. I really wouldn't be suprised if they're gonna add ads on the desktop on the future.

To defend the forced updates, Microsoft used to leave updating entirely to user discretion but nearly no one ever bothered. The Internet is a shared space that relies on mutual responsibility to function and regular users were becoming a serious problem in regards to leaving vulnerable nodes connected to the Internet. Forcing updates isn't a great solution but when you have nearly 100% of the technically inept userbase you really need to consider it.

 

[Souplex]

To be fair 10 is so much stabler/faster/more functional than 7 or 8 that I don't see the downside.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

To be fair 10 is so much stabler/faster/more functional than 7 or 8 that I don't see the downside.

People hate change, when W7 came Windows XP was apparently the best, when W8 came W7 was apparently the best, when W10 came, W8.1 is apparently the best.

 

[laggyteabag]

Im not so bothered that it is Windows 10 exclusive, but I am bothered that it is tethered to the Windows store.

Nothing on the Windows store has been popular or successful. Its just shooting the game in the legs, and telling it to run, even before it has got out of the door.

When the first batch of Windows store games came out, I was shocked to find out that Windows store games didn't support SLI, whereas their Steam counterparts did.

Not to mention that with the .UWP platform, I have no clue where to delete my Windows store games, because I can't find them in my files.

Call of Duty Infinite Warfare on the Windows store didn't even support crossplay with Steam (for some reason), and they had to refund literally both of the players that tried to play it.

And now we have AoE: DE...

Microsoft keep on saying that they want to support the PC market, but cant even be bothered to do something sensible.

 

[Arnoxthe1]

To be fair 10 is so much stabler/faster/more functional than 7 or 8 that I don't see the downside.

Well, that's just not entirely true [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/706.1025241-My-Super-Late-Review-of-Windows-10]. There are some regressions, but all of them can be fixed/ignored.

When W7 came Windows XP was apparently the best, when W8 came W7 was apparently the best, when W10 came, W8.1 is apparently the best.

Actually, 7 was very well received. People who were still on XP by the time it came out didn't want to upgrade, period, no matter what new Windows came out. And with 10, 7 is still regarded as the best with 8.1 coming behind it as a newer alternative.

 

[Potjeslatinist]

Look at how big the Aoe2 EE community is. This is because it's a game playable on trusty old win7 and available on Steam.

By restricting AoE DE to win10 and that useless Microsoft Store, there will be no community around the game to speak of.

So yeah.

 

[votemarvel]

but cant even be bothered to do something sensible.

Unfortunately most people see sensible as 'everything should be on Steam'. I continue to find it odd that one of the big arguments people use against the Windows Store is that they don't want Microsoft to control PC gaming, yet are quite willing to hand that feared level of control to Valve.

As to why Windows 10 is not my main OS, it is the matter of updates. In answer to the person above I understand that many people simply won't update and personally I have no problem with automatic updates being on by default. There should however be an option, just as in previous versions of Windows to pick and choose which updates you want. Newer isn't always better.

A few years ago I had a Microsoft Sidewinder X5 mouse (for comfort the best I've ever owned). The problem came from me not having a Microsoft keyboard to go along side it. Every time Windows Update would want to install a Microsoft keyboard and mouse software, the problem is that if I did so the media keys on my keyboard would stop working. Fortunately I had proper control over updates on Windows 7 and so was able to set that software to never download again.

Now I'm aware that I can delay updates on Windows 10 but sooner or later I have to take them. If Microsoft turned back control over updates to how it was in 8 and below I'd jump. I get to decide what is installed on my PC and not Microsoft just because I am using one of their operating systems.

 

[Arnoxthe1]

Unfortunately most people see sensible as 'everything should be on Steam'. I continue to find it odd that one of the big arguments people use against the Windows Store is that they don't want Microsoft to control PC gaming, yet are quite willing to hand that feared level of control to Valve.

As to why Windows 10 is not my main OS, it is the matter of updates. In answer to the person above I understand that many people simply won't update and personally I have no problem with automatic updates being on by default. There should however be an option, just as in previous versions of Windows to pick and choose which updates you want. Newer isn't always better.

A few years ago I had a Microsoft Sidewinder X5 mouse (for comfort the best I've ever owned). The problem came from me not having a Microsoft keyboard to go along side it. Every time Windows Update would want to install a Microsoft keyboard and mouse software, the problem is that if I did so the media keys on my keyboard would stop working. Fortunately I had proper control over updates on Windows 7 and so was able to set that software to never download again.

Now I'm aware that I can delay updates on Windows 10 but sooner or later I have to take them. If Microsoft turned back control over updates to how it was in 8 and below I'd jump. I get to decide what is installed on my PC and not Microsoft just because I am using one of their operating systems.

You can remove specific Windows 10 updates from your computer and have it never download those, but you gotta get another program from the Microsoft site to do it.

 

[dscross]

Windows 10 is a good OS (and that's saying something coming from a Mac user). I suspect a lot of the people complaining about its various features haven't actually spent any real time with it yet and have just read stuff online to confirm their pre-existing biases.

 

[Tanis]

The complaint about updates...is understandable on one hand (bugs, handing over ?control?, etc.)

But on the other, it?s also understandable why a company wants to keep everyone on the same page. It (in theory at least) makes everything from new features to security work that much more smoothly. Besides, control these days is little more than an illusion. Just being online itself is proof of that, unless you?re your very own ISP.

 

[Mothro]

The complaint about updates...is understandable on one hand (bugs, handing over ?control?, etc.)

But on the other, it?s also understandable why a company wants to keep everyone on the same page. It (in theory at least) makes everything from new features to security work that much more smoothly. Besides, control these days is little more than an illusion. Just being online itself is proof of that, unless you?re your very own ISP.

Only if you are the consumer and that is not ok.

 

[votemarvel]

You can remove specific Windows 10 updates from your computer and have it never download those, but you gotta get another program from the Microsoft site to do it.

Would you happen to know the name of this programn as I'd like to try it out on my spare PC.

 

[Arnoxthe1]

You can remove specific Windows 10 updates from your computer and have it never download those, but you gotta get another program from the Microsoft site to do it.

Would you happen to know the name of this programn as I'd like to try it out on my spare PC.

It's called the "Show or hide updates" troubleshooter. You will need to reenable Windows Update if you hamstrung it like I did to make sure it never starts.

Here's the page which has the download link: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3073930/how-to-temporarily-prevent-a-driver-update-from-reinstalling-in-window

Here's the link itself: http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/2/2/f22d5fdb-59cd-4275-8c95-1be17bf70b21/wushowhide.diagcab

Although I should say, you can uninstall updates without this, but in order to keep Windows Update from redownloading it on next check, you need the troubleshooter.

 

[votemarvel]

Thanks for the links, they will come in very handy.