Age = SMRT?

[UnusualStranger]

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To spin your example around a little bit...

Though the young are considered more dangerous on the road due to lack of experience, should not the old also be considered dangerous for failings in memory, and reflexes? Perhaps the statistic 80% is correct. I really don't think so, but perhaps it is. However, 20% error is a very big error area. Enough that I would think you could no longer consider it a valid rule. It will never get to a 50-50, as that is unrealistic, but is not the 20% enough for people to understand it is not a good rule to actually follow?

And yet, are not older generations staying around longer, meaning that the groups to select from are getting bigger, meaning that chances are more likely to have older, immature people?

chop

Your point is valid, and your self grading is correct. Perhaps you do not understand too much, and have yet to experience many things. However, you are just one experience of many. There are many people out there who have perhaps experienced these things, and know more about them than someone significantly older than them.

clomp

You have stepped in a trap I am going after. It is the trap that just because they are older, and have had the chance to go do different tasks, and fail or succeed at them, does not mean they will. Perhaps they will not do those tasks at all, and not even learn any of the lessons that would have come from that task. Would that not mean that a 16 y.o. who preforms said task has gained more maturity and knowledge in that area than the significantly older person? However, I think we are starting to step out of maturity, and more about particular knowledge from living alone.

The devils are always in the personal definitions of things. I am just trying to get an understanding of where people are on this particular topic.

Think of it as a maturity experience for me!

 

[Banana Phone Man]

Age does not make you smart. It gives you experiance. If you are stupid, you are likely to be stupid no matter how old you are. When you get older you learn new things. People believe these things make them smart and because younger people don't know what these things are they believe they are smarter than them. (school is a good example of this) However if the youger generation learned the same things then the only seperation would be experiance, not how smart people are.

Thats my opinion anyway.

It took me 5 minutes to write that, thats =5XP

 

[PrinceoN]

Well no I don't think age is credible in an argument. Really it just comes down to experience.

i agree with you entirely sir.

Age=experience, not SMRT.
There are insanely smart 5th graders that are learning high school level math, but they lack experience.

you too

OT: however, i have to say that age usually = experience, since as you age, you go through certain things that most other people that are younger havent. so youre not smart, youre wise. intelligence is not wisdom. my mother is one of the wisest people i know, but she cant handle a school test for the life of her. im intelligent, but i havent been through even half of the things she has. both wisdom and intelligence serve two different purposes.

so what is smart? its a combination of wisdom and knowledge. so its impossible to tell, and age, experience, nor school degrees alone can do so.

 

[StriderShinryu]

Age does not equal intelligence, but it often does equal wisdom and experience. Of course, that's far from a sure thing and is mainly only true in the majority of cases.

 

[GundamSentinel]

As far as I know age has never been a measure for intelligence.

 

[Mayonegg]

Well no I don't think age is credible in an argument. Really it just comes down to experience.

I think it is as simple as this really; an older person is just likely to be more experienced (and therefore better at debating and relating).

 

[Good morning blues]

You have stepped in a trap I am going after. It is the trap that just because they are older, and have had the chance to go do different tasks, and fail or succeed at them, does not mean they will. Perhaps they will not do those tasks at all, and not even learn any of the lessons that would have come from that task. Would that not mean that a 16 y.o. who preforms said task has gained more maturity and knowledge in that area than the significantly older person? However, I think we are starting to step out of maturity, and more about particular knowledge from living alone.

The devils are always in the personal definitions of things. I am just trying to get an understanding of where people are on this particular topic.

Think of it as a maturity experience for me!

You're right; just because people have had the chance to learn from their experiences doesn't mean that they have. But they usually do.

Yes, a sixteen-year-old who has to shoulder the bulk of the burden of supporting their household will probably have more of the responsibility side of maturity than a twenty-eight-year-old dropout whose mother still does his laundry. But most people aren't in those situations.

It's the old problem of case studies. If you just looked at Arnold Schwarzenegger, you'd think that the United States has a lot of class mobility; this is not true, and Arnold Schwarzenegger is not a typical example. Similarly, if you just look at a couple of sixteen-year-olds who are mature beyond their years, you might generalize that to say that age doesn't have a profound correlation with maturity, but again, these are the exceptions to the rule.

 

[Asturiel]

Smart is such an incredibly relative term. Smart in one area doesn't mean smart in another. The one thing I've learned over the years is how incredibly little I know in the grand scheme of things.

Life is like science. You try something and if it doesn't work out you know to try something different next time. Statistically speaking it's unlikely to get everything right on your first try, so when looking for general life smarts it's better to rely on the opinion of someone with a wide pool of experiments. Whether that's a person who has lived a long time or a younger person who has lived very broadly, it doesn't so much matter.

Extremely true, a person pitching with science talk, my kind of language

For instance, my mother got sick when I was 7, and my whole family had to face the fact that she was not getting better. At the age of 10 I had a more wise and rational opinion on death and mortality then most 30 year olds I know today.

There's no clear cut path. For any young person struggling with this I'd say that no one has ever listened to every piece of advice they should have, but looking to older people with an open mind can teach you alot. It's a difficult thing to accept when they might be right for reasons you don't yet understand. And when they're genuinely full of shit and won't hear you out, accepting that with grace is a virtue they'll probably never learn if they live to be a thousand.

Thats a bad thing to grow up with, but thats part of the facts of life, they are random. People who are older merely have a higher chance of experiencing or "knowing" about this because they have a higher chance of it. But younger people have a lower chance since they just dont have as much time for the dice to roll

I feel that the only time to use the "you can't understand, you're too young" is only to explain the birds and the bees. Or if there is a funny innuendo about an old video game they weren't around for.

Theres that too, they're brains haven't told them to go off and mate yet so they shouldn't understand why people do.

Age=experience, not SMRT.
There are insanely smart 5th graders that are learning high school level math, but they lack experience.

Kind of like they may know how to work all the numbers but will still throw a tantrum when they don't understand something, you know it's happened to you. You work at something for fucking ever and still don't get it. Just because they're smart doesn't mean they will rationally go "well I don't think I'll get this!" because they haven't experienced such a thing yet.

Ill stop by saying one more thing, if two people, one who is EXTREMELY young(lets say 15)and one person who is very old (lets say 67) come to the same conclusion to a complicated question(lets say a mth or science question) using the EXACT same method that they learned at the EXACT same time, and finished the question at the EXACT same time, why is it viewed as "the old man is a genius" and "the kid was just following the method"
thats discrimination if I ever saw it.

I think you have those reversed, the young would be praised as a genius while the old would just be doing what he does.

Maturity = intelligence

You could be a great grand father and remain as ignorant as the day you were born. It's maturity and understanding that provide wisdom and insight.

I think it's more Maturity=Wisdom or Self Control. Since a lot of smart people I know are not mature at all and cant handle a lot of situations that aren't clearly presented to them. I place more value on somebody being able to react to a completely new situation out of the blue well than somebody doing well on something they knew was coming.

Honestly I don't feel as smart as I did as a kid... Though I do feel I've become at least a bit wiser from my experiences. Most of my experience being someone older than me believe they're /always/ right simply because they've been around longer. I constantly get into fights with my mother over some of the most idiotic shit because she simply refuses to admit I might know more about the world that she does despite the fact she's been alive longer. :/ She may have more technical skills but when it comes to book smarts... Well she's a little behind.

You stand on the shoulders on those who came before you, kids in high school today have more knowledge than some of the biggest figures in history, Charles Darwin, Homer(not the yellow one), other people who I dont know

Knowledge is power, a younger person is a monkey who understands how a gun works, but not how to aim it, or even what to aim it at. The older person may not know the exact workings of the gun, but they know how to use it.

Very true, but I is the better monkey

So even the wisest person of life could be shown to the world as a moron in a discussion of physics.

Alot of fucking people could be a moron in a discussion of physics. From what I've found of it this is how I've seen it "Heres simple thing right? Now we know x y z q and delta fuck you from it and because of that we know.... and with the knowledge of the speed of light we know it was Professor Plume in the Kitchen with a Candlestick!"..."Bwah?"

OT: After all those quotes I'm going to say Likelihood of Experience=(Age)(The Experience(occasional modifier as to the experience)) While Experience=roll d100. The older you are the more likely you are to have experienced it making it an assumption that based on their age they have. Notice how the retarded equation the second didnt even include age? Because experiences can happen any time, your family can go into the pour house at 3 or 19, you can get raped at 22 or 67, you can go support a family at 26 or 12.

Your age doesn't determine your wisdom/intelligence but it is a good gauge as to your likelihood to have set wisdom/intelligence.

 

[UnusualStranger]

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I'm really starting to dislike the title I tossed on this...

Anyway, yes, the wisest person can be made to look like a fool. However, I am not going after how wise someone is. I am going after how AGE seems to be the determining factor (at least when other people chat) in the measurement of knowledge that the person could possibly have.

snap

Exactly. Usually do. Not always. Just because people sometimes learn doesn't mean that nearly all of them do.

And of course, it always has depended on the environment of the individual. In fact, that is what it does depend on, which is why it infuriates me when someone sees someone is younger, and then proceeds to act like that younger person has no idea what is going on in some situations.



It has been an excellent discussion, ladies and gents. Unfortunately, I have appointments to keep, and hope you have an intellectual discussion amongst yourselves, and possibly learn something. Thank you, and good evening.

 

[theultimateend]

Age does little more than give an up to the minute piece of information on how long someone with your resources and knowledge has survived.

Other than that it doesn't do much.

Though I have noticed an interesting curve of age to willingness to accept others views.

The younger you are the more willing you are to accept other points of views, and once you hit a certain age you start assuming that every single person around you is wrong.

Not always but it seems alarmingly consistent. At least I'm hard pressed to think of many old men who aren't trying to oppress the newer generation because of its icky desire to be evolving with the times.

 

[manaman]

There are idiots on both sides, I don't like to generalise; get to know each individual rather than relying on some sort of stereotype.

I like to generalize. So how about this one. Wisdom comes with experience, experience comes over time.

They very young can be highly intelligent, but as a generalization they are less mature then those who have experience. They can seem highly mature because of their intelligence, but you can only mature through living, and that takes time. What the OP is addressing is the gap in how quickly that experience takes, and what the people do with it. Steadfastly focusing on one subject can make a person and expert on it in short order. Take doctors for instance. They can be fairly young starting out, but I would trust them 100 times over before I trusted the old lady down the street to treat a medical condition.

Also some people just mature faster then others, that is life, but all people take time to mature.

 

[Irridium]

The older you get, the more arrogant you get.
Thats what I've noticed mostly.

Lots of older people and younger people are idiots, knowledge or not.
There are also lots of smart older people and smart younger people, no matter what age.

I also hate people ignore others based on age. Its a really stupid thing to do.

 

[dkyros]

I'm going to go with the idea that older people have come from a time when, well for lack of a better term, old people were respected for various reasons. Now said older people whether being knowledgeable or not crave that kind of respect their elders were entitled to. Where this comes into the discussion is that older people do not get the same respect and thus creates a void due to expectations that were ingrained through their upbringing. Thus when someone younger begins to hint at having a comparable amount of knowledge they will dismiss it with a comment such as, "Your too young to fully understand it."
Now that my hours of reading Carl Jung has finally paid off, I have to say that it definitely depends on the person and situation. Buy 9/10 times its usually just experience that the younger person is lacking. In the health community there is continuing education that is done. Theoretically the older person should have accumulated more knowledge than the younger if attending the same institutions and lets say graduate like 6 years apart so the curriculum hasn't changed drastically.

 

[gim73]

While I will admit that pretty much all adults are morons, I'm gonna have to say that all kids are dumb as well. Stupid is something you grow out of. Trust me, not alot of people manage to do this and wind up being retards their entire lives. While some people might grow out of stupid as young as 16 or 17, most have to wait until 21 or even later to finally become smart people.

What's that? You think you are a smart 13 year old? Here comes the opposite sex and you are again a moron. Sex, religion, alcohol, drugs and country music pretty much can ensure you are a moron for most, if not all of your life.

 

[MattZero]

It all depends on the amount of experience an what you're talking about. Just because you're older doesn't mean you are more experienced in everything. particularity newer things. and becoming set in your ways becomes a disadvantage after a while.

 

[sauerkraus]

I'm extremely knowledgeable now, and I plan to stay the same when I get older. Most kids I know (kids for me means <15, i'm only 18) are unbelievably stupid, but I've always treated everyone equally. I hold geriatrics and ten year olds at the same level as myself until I have enough conversations with a certain person to elevate them to 'smarter than me' or 'crazy stupid'. I know plenty of 14 year old kids in AP classes and I dropped out of college so age doesn't really indicate smartness to me.

 

[MattZero]

Example: younger people are generally better with computers.

 

[Shurikens and Lightning]

Stupid people are always stupid.
Smart people are always smart.

Age is irrelevant.