ageism?

[Xojins]

There's another thing I'd like to point out.

Xojins, you made the statement earlier that you haven't met a single young, mature person while playing online. That probably isn't true though. What is true is that you haven't met anyone who you know to be young who is also mature while playing online. People don't go around constantly mentioning their age. You've probably, at some point, met a mature young person who you mistook for someone older

Firstly, if you're talking to me, quote something that I said so that I will actually read it. Secondly, no I haven't. You should refer to my previous posts, as I said I've never encountered a little kid I didn't find annoying. There's a difference between being young and being a little kid (I'm 17, so I would consider myself young, but by no means a little kid).

Xojins, as you said earlier, your generalisations don't apply to everyone. Therefore, they don't back up the other guy's claim that it's impossible for me to be mature enough to handle the content in these games purely because of my age.

I never said they did.

 

[some random guy]

"I can honestly say that I haven't met a single young, mature kid while playing online"
Your last post on page 3.

Do you consider 13/14 year olds to be little kids? If so, you've probably encountered someone who you consider a little kid since there are plenty of 13/14 year olds who's voices have broken.

I didn't point out that your generalisations don't apply to everyone to try and point out a contradiction. I pointed that out to show how those generalisations don't back up the other guy's claim.

 

[pha kin su pah]

I couldn't care less as long as you play well and have mental maturity.

In my 23 years of life, I have played only a few M games (Dungeon Keeper 1 and 2 are the only two I can think of), watched 4 R movies (Glory, the Matrix Trilogy), and never had beer, wine, or any other alcoholic drink, except accidentally drinking fermented fruit juice.

And trust me, my life isn't boring.

I have to say this and fuck it if i get banned.
YOU ARE GAY.

[insert wall of text]..

So go ahead. Ruin your life.

But I'm going to live mine. And live it well.

And live it my way.

or live it in fear of everything...

 

[Xojins]

As someone who doesn't like playing with little kids, it's not simply because they're young. It's because I don't like having annoying, squeaky voices in my ear all the time while I'm playing games. In addition, whenever I happen to be in the same server of whatever game I'm playing as a pre-pubescent child, they never know when to shut the hell up.

Before anyone says I'm making generalizations, I am saying all of this from personal experience. So, until I encounter a little kid on XBL or Steam that doesn't annoy me, my opinion stands as is.

Page 2.

Yes, I misspoke with the post you are referring to, but could you not figure out that the above quotation was what I was referring to?

 

[some random guy]

Actually, that isn't the post that I'm talking about. Your last post on page 3. You don't use the term "little kid" in that post, you simply say "young, mature kid" which is pretty vague. You didn't mention anything like "anything, squeeky voices" either so I couldn't tell exactly what you meant from the context.

 

[chronobreak]

This is BS, the OP hasn't even responded in 4 pages of the thread. Why ask a question that you have np input on whatsoever? Bottom line is, if you're underage, for any specific game, you shouldn't be there. Some people may deal with it immaturly, but be happy nobody is dealing with it legally. That would cause you a whole buttload more trouble.

Also, if you put yourself out there in the online world, you better prepare to be discriminated against. I don't care if it's wrong, it's just what happens. Deal.

 

[Raven28256]

As others have said, many of us have this idea that young gamers are really, really stupid and immature. Frankly, and sadly, it is mostly true. Sure, there ARE some younger gamers out there that aren't too bad, but most gamers under 15 are, to be blunt, totally fucking annoying. This is what I usually encounter when I hear a kid under 15 playing a game:

1) Excessive racist comments for no reasons
2) Excessive swearing at the game and everyone else
3) Excessive whining and bitching whenever they don't get their way
4) Excessive singing and high-pitched screaming into the mic
5) Lots of random acts of total stupidity during the match
6) Lots of random, unrelated conversation
7) Lots of random comments about the objectification of women so they can try and act "cool" with the big boys
8) Other random comments to try and act "cool," like drugs and drinking
9) Excessive homophobic comments
10) Excessive smack talk that they couldn't back up if someone put a gun to their head
11) General lack of experience
12) All of the above

Sure, you certainly see a lot of this with gamers over 15 too, but with younger gamers, this stuff is usually the norm, and I hear it EVERY TIME I encounter a gamer under 15 using the mic. So, as someone else also mentioned, don't blame the older guys who hate playing with kids and kick them the second they hear them talk. Blame the other kids your age that act like total fucktards.

 

[psijac]

Everyone needs there own spaces. Would you want some 6 year-old joining your team telling you how cool dragons tales is, and threatening to tell his mommy when you use the word Wii? No it would make you uncomfortable.

This concept is also why i can't Run into a Curves Gym(Women Only) and scream out, "WHO WANTS TO GO HALVES ON A BASTARD!" Of course there are exceptions to the rules, Like the time i ran into a Curves Gym and well you get the ideal. of course a young girl can pretty much enter any social space she wants, even if its a really stupid idea. when I was in middle school a girl your age was full of herself because she had a boyfriend in high school. This didn't mean she was super mature it just meant her boyfriend was a loser that couldn't get a girl his own age to go out with him. This trend continued well into 12 grade high schoolers being replaced by Marines of Course

 

[Relgaro]

Reading some of these posts really does sicken me. This viewpoint that age ratings = undeniably right and must always be followed is something which I find absurd.

It's the maturity that matters, not age. Although there's certainty a link between maturity and age (the reason that age ratings are used to try and prevent certain games from getting into the hands of people who can't handle the content) the link isn't that strong and there are plenty of exceptions. I see age ratings more as recommendations than rules. That's why parents are able to buy games for "underage" kids. Instead of viewing it as "he's too young to play that game. End of story", I consider it better to view it as "Although age ratings exist, they're really only recommendations and this kid's parents, the people that know him/her best have decided that this kid is able to handle the content in this game. Therefore, there's nothing wrong with this kid playing this game".

This is the point i agree alot. Though i understand yeh if they are underage playing an M+ game then they should expect abuse on such games since they're not old enough anyway. Though i have to admit i havent come across many kids on these games who you can actually talk to... the majority i have come across no offence are squeaky voiced scousers (Kids from Liverpool) who give you lip at any oppertunity and cant hack it if you give them some.

Though people can be pretty unfair... usually if your a little kid i wouldnt speak until spoken to... mature or not their still going to be picked on since the general outlook is that their kids playing games they're not supposed to and are expected to suck... balls.

 

[Relgaro]

In my 23 years of life, I have played only a few M games (Dungeon Keeper 1 and 2 are the only two I can think of), watched 4 R movies (Glory, the Matrix Trilogy), and never had beer, wine, or any other alcoholic drink, except accidentally drinking fermented fruit juice.

And trust me, my life isn't boring.

I have to say this and fuck it if i get banned.
YOU ARE GAY.

Let's see how much fun I can have at your expense here.

1) I'm actually not Gay. Let me first say that I am definitely attracted to Females, and am male. Secondly, I prefer dark colors and quiet colors, and slightly introverted (Referring to the original definition of gay).

2) I have yet to see any M games that challenge me. I really don't care how gory or sexually explicit a game is. If it is good, I play it. If not, I don't. And in my experience, M rated games tend to rely on shock value of gore, or Porn value to get sold

3) I don't watch many movies. I might have watched 20 in my life. Maybe 40. At that rate, 1/10 the movies I've watched are rated R.

3.1) And if you consider that the only movies I've watched more than once number 10, and I only really like 5 or 6; three of which are The Matrix; I'm up to 50%. What percent of the movies that you like are R rated?

4) I find you seriously lacking imagination if you can't have fun without ingesting toxic substances. Somehow, that doesn't appeal to me.

4.1) I have a particular fear of Asthma, and avoid Tobacco and other inhalents for that reason. Seeing 3 of my family members in the Emergency Room because they couldn't breathe had that effect on me.

4.2) Worse yet, watching my mom spend 3 days in Hell in paradise because we went camping in a place that you couldn't light fires, and she was addicted to caffeine gave me a respect of what addiction can do to a person. She's never become addicted to coffee since then, and I've avoided anything potentially addictive.

4.3) Then there's the whole thing of losing my closest uncle to tobacco and alcohol

4.4) And watching a friend in Middle school wreck her life.

4.5) And an enemy in Middle school wreck his life

4.6) And an athlete in high school lose most of his skill to cigarettes.

4.7) And, and, and. Trust me, I could name at least a dozen people who I've seen do themselves in with harmful substances. I'm not going to THINK about risking it.



So go ahead. Ruin your life.

But I'm going to live mine. And live it well.

And live it my way.

Hmm... reading all that makes me realise....

NOW YOUR SAD AND GAY.

Hubertw47... i think from that he doesnt really care about your opinion...

So what he's living a healthy and has a good attitude towards life and wants to live it how he wants, you calling him "Sad & Gay" wont change anything...

 

[GuerrillaClock]

Awful lot of patronizing from a lot of very high horses going on here...
we've all played games that we were legally too young too. If he isn't going to play L4D and then go on the warpath with a shotgun then I don't see an issue with letting him play what he wants. It is the responsibility of the parents to gauge how their child can handle a game/film/whatever and if they're sure then who are we to judge?

 

[Thunderbrew]

Blame it on the cheap headsets used by nearly everyone on consoles, higher pitched voices don't resonate particularly pleasantly from one headset to anothers.

 

[GenHellspawn]

But I'm going to live mine. And live it well.

And live it my way.

Sooner or later, your gonna realize that nobody wants to live forever.

 

[MarsProbe]

Hmm... reading all that makes me realise....

NOW YOUR SAD AND GAY.

How enlightening. I understand that this particular discourse really does not have anything to do with me, but couldn't pass this one up. Using the term "gay" as a insult has always seemed slightly strange. Either, the target of your scathing insult is going to perhaps actually be gay (in which case it's unlikely to bother them in the slightest) or (just sticking to the two "main" sexual orientations here to keep things simple) they will be straight. As for they would then respond to that...well, if I was addressed in that way as an insult on a forum, I wouldn't really concern myself with it either.

It only now seems appropriate finish this post with a pertinent question:

His sad and gay did what now? Think about it.

 

[dcheppy]

Everyone one on this thread has it wrong. I'll mute or ban any kid I'm playing with and heres why: It has nothing to do with maturity, or being annoying but everything to do with the desire to enjoy leisure activities with peers. I wouldn't go out drinking with 15 year olds etc... It is incredibly inappropriate for a 13 year old kid to tell a 40 year old man to "Fuck off" or any of the other variety of things you hear online. It is even worse for a 40 year old man to tell a kid to "fuck off" And that's just the beginning of the inappropriate exchanges that have happened on the internet. To catch a predator anyone?

Maybe it's because I've worked as a camp counselor for many years but I don't want the job of policing the internet so everybody, kids and adults gets along. Kids play with kids, and adults play with adults. And when adults play with kids there is a certain set of rules that go along with that; both sides are tamer. That doesn't happen on the internet. Adults/kids shouldn't have to be mature in a game, if all they want to do is dick around with friends.

A whole lot of stuff

You fall victim to the trap of confusing moderation with abuse. Drugs/Alcohol on occasion make life better. It's ironic that you, who appear to have a bit of self control,(evidenced by your abstinence from drugs/alcohol) is the type of person who would be able to prevent moderation from turning into abuse.

 

[ZacQuickSilver]

A whole lot of stuff

You fall victim to the trap of confusing moderation with abuse. Drugs/Alcohol on occasion make life better. It's ironic that you, who appear to have a bit of self control,(evidenced by your abstinence from drugs/alcohol) is the type of person who would be able to prevent moderation from turning into abuse.

Actually, I have no problem with people who do things in moderation. Including drinking/smoking/using marijuana/whatever. And I have no problem being around them.

I'm just not interested in being one of them. Mostly because I'm afraid to deal with withdrawal.

 

[Fraught]

Unless you're over 16 don't play M rated games online

I get away with that because I sound over sixteen. =)
I have actually found some of the younger players to be pretty entertaining, especially the ones who beg you not kill them and to stand still and whatnot.

Yeah, me too.
People say my voice has gone really fast to really low, but I haven't played with a microphone for a long time.
Got to try, I think people won't even know I'm a kid.