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Darth_Murmeltier

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Hello everyone,
Im going to write about something here that is probably familiar to some of you and I'll try to keep it as short and "unboring" as possible.
So here we go:
I assume that everyone has experienced this feeling of alienation - which can be quite a dreadful one indeed (getting a "knot in the belly" etc.) - in their lives, but what triggers this feeling can be quite different (I guess) from person to person.
One trigger in my case would be (as silly as it may sound) Facebook. I don't have Facebook myself, but I've seen what's going on there (a few times a friend of mine logged into his account on my computer while I was sitting next to him) and some of the stuff on there is just alienating as hell (polls about totally banal stuff, the skinner box-ish games on there etc.). It doesn't make me angry it just makes me sad. I know that other people are just as complex as me (that's one of the most obvious things in the world, though the most obvious things are often the hardest to see...), but the sheer banality and shallowness is unbearable. And I know that Facebook is not only bad nor is it only good; I'm very aware of the benefits of such a thing, but I am only aware of that on a "head level". Emotionally, this thing is still as alienating as fuck (and yes I'm probably too sensitive and I probably shouldnt care, but Facebook is pretty much universal, it can't be ignored...) and what makes it worse is, that all of my friends, close friends and also my girlfriend use Facebook regulary. I know it's their decision wether they want to have an account there or not and I've never (!) tried to convince one of them that they should stop using it etc. I would never do that. But it's still painful in a way; everyone you care about uses this thing (it feels especially alienating in the case of my girlfriend [she told me about one occasion where a couple of her friends where sitting next to each other, starring at their phones, not talking to each other and just looking stuff up on FB...]). It's surprisingly difficult to actually describe why it feels so alienating; I don't really know; the whole thing seems very "cold", superficial and fraudulent (like something is missing, something human; I dont know).
This whole whining probably sounds really silly, redicolous and annoying (I just can't describe it well, I'm sorry), and maybe it sounds like I'm pittying myself and this probably is also really boring (lookt at me, I go all meta 'n' shit), but I would like to hear what you think. (This post is probably already too long, I apologise again).
Another example for what triggers this feeling is pop music. I'm not kidding. The whole thing is just heartless, commercial stuff; it's just distraction. No interesting and maybe more complex and deeper (I feel a bit pretentious) harmonies and melodies nor are their interesting lyrics. Yes it's easy to listen to, but it feels kind of empty to me and just makes me feel kind of lonely (you can go ahead now and call me an emo [which I'm not] or some BS like that).
And again, a lot of people that are close to me (again, especially my GF) like to listen to that kind of stuff and again I accept it and I dont complain about it, and I don't try to talk them out of it. Yes, not all pop music is necessarily shit (that's kind of subjective anyway), but if you've experienced the power of more sophisticated music (rock music in the 60s and 70, classical music, minimal music etc.), then this shallow pop stuff just doesn't compare.

Ok, I'm done. The whole thing has become way too long and boring...
Anyway what do you think?
 

FalloutJack

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Well, this probably has EVERYTHING to do with my being different, but uhhh...I don't feel alienated be things I don't intrinsically like. I don't feel left out because other people are on Facebook and I'm not. Why? Because I hate Facebook. Facebook is one big Katamari ball of SUCK. I would rather PLAY with a Katamari (because We Love Katamari) than be a part of one.

Other things, I just either don't want or don't care about. Heh, cellphones. I don't carry a cellphone.I don't have ANYTHING really against a cellphone, except for the obvious mis-using of one and texting, which is pointless to me, as it's a PHONE. I might only do that for my girlfriend, and even then it had better have a little keyboard or forget it.

I don't feel alienated by any fad or popular thing I'm not into. I'm not pushed or prodded into peer pressure situations. If I want a thing, I go get a thing. If not, deal with it.
 

GiglameshSoulEater

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... I guess you could make a facebook account. You do't even need to use it often, or play the crappy little casual games, but you could always make one. And then you could once again be part of the greater mass. (Unless I'm missing something really obvious).
Yeah, Facebook is a place where the idiots can splurge stupidity into the welcoming eyes of their social groups but hey, don't be friends with them.

and pop music: you are correct there. One thing that strikes me is one of the modern singers, beyonce or something, released a song about how its 'not about the money, money, i just want to make the world dance.) A commercially produced and sold song.
That lying little scum.
There was a thing on the escapist a short while back about how, yes, pop music has become more generic, and it always has been about the money. Quite simply, keep listening to good music.
 

Darth_Murmeltier

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FalloutJack said:
Well, this probably has EVERYTHING to do with my being different, but uhhh...I don't feel alienated be things I don't intrinsically like. I don't feel left out because other people are on Facebook and I'm not. Why? Because I hate Facebook. Facebook is one big Katamari ball of SUCK. I would rather PLAY with a Katamari (because We Love Katamari) than be a part of one.

Other things, I just either don't want or don't care about. Heh, cellphones. I don't carry a cellphone.I don't have ANYTHING really against a cellphone, except for the obvious mis-using of one and texting, which is pointless to me, as it's a PHONE. I might only do that for my girlfriend, and even then it had better have a little keyboard or forget it.

I don't feel alienated by any fad or popular thing I'm not into. I'm not pushed or prodded into peer pressure situations. If I want a thing, I go get a thing. If not, deal with it.
Ha, I wish I could as easily deal with that as you do. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with peer pressure (but that's probably somewhere in there I guess), like I said, it's just really alienating and makes me a bit sad.
Thanks for the response, but I am not sure if I really can be in that "I don't care position" and I'm not sure if I would even want that.

GiglameshSoulEater said:
... I guess you could make a facebook account. You do't even need to use it often, or play the crappy little casual games, but you could always make one. And then you could once again be part of the greater mass. (Unless I'm missing something really obvious).
Yeah, Facebook is a place where the idiots can splurge stupidity into the welcoming eyes of their social groups but hey, don't be friends with them.

and pop music: you are correct there. One thing that strikes me is one of the modern singers, beyonce or something, released a song about how its 'not about the money, money, i just want to make the world dance.) A commercially produced and sold song.
That lying little scum.
There was a thing on the escapist a short while back about how, yes, pop music has become more generic, and it always has been about the money. Quite simply, keep listening to good music.
I don't know. You know if I want to talk to the people close to me I can just call or something like that. FB doesn't seem really useful to me. I mean, so many people use it and yeah I've seen what's going on there most of the time... I'm not even sure why it's so alienating to me. Maybe because I think of FB as a form of escapism, an anesthetic. I dont know man it's just strange...

Yeah I've thought the exact same about that song. It makes no sense. Yeah, maybe I shouldnt get stuff like that too close to me. Maybe I should just accept it and so on.

Thanks for the response.
 

FalloutJack

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Darth_Murmeltier said:
Since you mention it, I have to ask: Is it the people or is it The Big-Named Thing?

The 'I don't care' part is for the thing. If you like a thing that seems alienating, maybe it's not as deep a like as you think. And if it's the people, well what about them is it? I come here to the Escapist to waste time, because why not? I crack some jokes, spread a little wisdom, and so on. So I have anything really invested in this site? No. Do I feel connected to the Escapist, the staff, or the users? Not really. There are some decent people here and there are some crappy people here. No big surprise. In the end, it may be nothing I can help with, but I don't mind trying.