"All PC Games Run On Macs." What?

[brainslurper]

A Mac person talking out of their ignorant ass? HAS THE WORLD GONE MAD? And an answer to your question: No.

A general rule of thumb is: Do NOT take advice on computers from people who own Macs. The very reason they own Macs is because they can't operate PC's properly.

Also, just as a general note, my computer cost about 1300? (with a 24" full HD screen, a gaming mouse, keyboard & mousepad), and a similar but a tad slower Mac Pro costs about three times as much, and runs slower. No joke, I'm an university student, studying to become a producer, and as part of our studies we make various kinds of videos and whatnot. And, through my experiences in various fields in media both as a professional, an enthusiast and a hobbyist, I can say FOR CERTAIN that Macs ARE NOT in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM better with programs such as Photoshop, Pro-Tools, Avid, After Effects etc. And a well put-together PC is just as stable as any Mac, if not more so due to more user control.

Macs are trash. All Apple products are trash, iPods nonwithstanding. The people who buy them are either people with more money than braincells, teenage girls or just generally people who can't operate computers. The only thing they're good at is making you look like a complete ponce.

Feel free to quote that as a whole to the Mac tard who you had the displeasure of talking with.

Well you sir are the king of retarded people. You think I own a mac because I can't operate a PC properly? I built a PC. I use a Mac because I have far too much data passing through my computer to worry about viruses, and because in my experience (And apparently, everyone else's, Apple has been at the top of the consumer satisfaction index for like 8 years straight) macs are far more reliable. As stable? There is no fucking way anything running windows can even be remotely called stable, especially when compared to OS X. You have never owned an apple product. You probably never will, because you make assumptions about something you have no experience with. Saying an entire product line is trash (Where most professional critics and users who have actual experience with the products) almost universally disagree with you just makes you look stupid. If you prefer windows fine, but there is no need to insult the intelligence of people who prefer OS X simply because you at some point decided to hate it, for some reason.

 

[Lyri]

First of all: Please read the whole post before posting. Thanks!

Last night, a friend of mine and my dad's dropped by. Well, we got on the subject of computers and he starting saying that, for the things I do, an iMac would be perfect.

Well, my gaming computer is so old that the latest game I've played is The Sims 3, and it was pretty laggy at that. <:'-( So, for the past few years I've missed out on games. (I don't even have an Xbox360, a PS3 or, God-forbid, a Wii.) So, we mentioned that it would be difficult to spend $1,200 on a work computer and THEN spend at least $3,000 bucks on a new, up-to-date gaming rig.

Well, this friend then said this, pretty much word for word: "All PC games can run on Mac. They were designed on Macs. You put it in and, BOOM, it's loaded. No installing, no waiting, it's in there instantly. On a computer, you have to put it in, wait for it to install, no, not on a Mac. It's installed the moment you put it in."

Well, to be honest, to me, that sounded, and still sounds, like bullshit. VALVe just recently made Steam available for Macs and Skyrim doesn't seem to have OSX support.

However, since my dad and I are not really computer savvy, I wanted to give our friend the benefit of the doubt by asking here: Can an iMac run all PC games? Even old ones that you would get at Good Old Games?

Also, he mentioned when talking about the difference between the $700 and $1,200 iMac, he said the $1,200 iMac has, "... Five more gigs of RAM." Um, that's funny; I always thought RAM cam in 256MB, 512MB, 2Gigs, 4Gigs, 8Gigs and so on. Is it possible to have an odd number of RAM like 5 Gigs?

You can play anything on a Mac, just uninstall the OS and put windows on it.
Macs are the computer and not the operating system, which is what stops people from playing every game.
Your friend however is saying you can play any game on the OS and this is false, unless you install bootcamp he's talking total bullshit.

It may have been posted once in this thread already but I'll just link it anyway.
http://thenextweb.com/files/2010/09/mac01.jpg

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

That guy is insane. Macs can not "just play all PC games without needing to install them".

 

[brainslurper]

Macs are good for artwork and creativity

This statement baffles me. I see it being made all the time with no qualification and I'm genuinely curious as to why people think this is, can you enlighten me at all?

I'm not sure the person who posted this actually knows jack shit, but coming from someone who has tried to use windows for adobe creative suite coming off a mac, I can try to explain why. Adobe creative suite is pretty much identical between the two operating systems (With the exception of cs4, which for some reason lacked a 64 bit mac version) so it essentially comes down to how the operating system interacts with the program. I can certainly tell you that finder works better then windows explorer (For everything, but it shows more when using photoshop) when transferring large files quickly in and out of a workspace. It is also true that it is more efficient to never worry about viruses (DURR), but this is true with pretty much any professional use of a computer. Another thing is the lack of Final Cut on windows, which is definitely a deal breaker for me.

 

[brainslurper]

Unfortunately, your friend is either seeing through some thick fanboy fog, or is an idiot. If you intend to use a computer for gaming, there are no upsides to using a Mac over a PC.

Coming from a mac user, that is entirely true.

 

[brainslurper]

Wahahahaaha. Go check the store on steam and take note on how "many" games are also sold for Mac...

The internetz call bullshit!

Go look at the steam store after you have installed windows via bootcamp, and then tell me the same thing.

 

[brainslurper]

Macs -cannot- run 'all' PC titles. Your friends are misinformed.

Yes, they can. Macs are computers. They run on x86 processors. Therefor they can run windows. Apple even makes it easy by building a boot loader into to the OS, something microsoft would never do.

 

[brainslurper]

I think my brain threw up reading that...

1. Mac can duel boot or use Windows Emulators its no where near as easy as he is saying, however.

2. My gaming rig cost 1200 dollars and thats at the upper end of the majority of gaming rigs. You COULD spend 3000 on one but it would be so much overkill its pointless. You are better paying 800 and upgrading one or two pieces every year.

3. No, there is no "5GB" of ram. In theory you could put a four and a one in but that would be beyond retarded.

It is pretty easy. About 5 clicks in boot camp utility and your hard drive is partitioned and windows is installing. Then just hold option on startup and you can finally fulfill your dreams of playing minesweeper.

 

[brainslurper]

Lol macs can't just run a pc game, well i guess in theory they could read the code but the games aren't made to run on them, modern (even very old games) rely on things like directx which are esentially drivers without them the programmers would need to code for each individual model of processor/graphics card/etc. Also it's a sterotype that designers (arts, coding, etc) all use mac, it is not true at all programming taught at my university is in windows using visual studio (which is usually what the pro's use for things like c++, guess why because the application is usually for a windows machine) and netbeans (theres also the fact that all the big software such as photoshop come on both formats).

You are right though you can't get 5gb modules because ram uses the binary number system (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, etc.) but you can have something along the lines of a 4gb module and a 1gb module or something like 2 2gb and 1gb.

One last thing my original gaming rig back in 07 cost £400 to make and it could run basically everything on high @ 1440*900 and that was with a gt 9500. my current one if you minus the watercooling and just used aircooling would be around £800 and that maxs outs everything on 1680*1050 (and the full 1080p when the parents are on holiday and there big tv becomes availble). Point is you don't need to spend mega money to run the lastest and greatest at decent speeds and graphics, the £800 is also my workhorse/powerhouse for compiling programs, and just general work for university.

Also for the money a mac costs you can have a pc which has considerably better specs (and this is using decent makes, if you were to go for cheap £10 = 1gb ram along with other cheaper brands you could build an even faster machine but it might not be that reliable), and has better software compatability (macs are slowly catching up in this i would guess but windows still has the advantage).

Please don't post here unless you have some semblance of experience in the matter. Macs come with bootcamp, which helps you partition your hard drive and install windows in about 2 minutes.

 

[brainslurper]

Macs are good for artwork and creativity

This statement baffles me. I see it being made all the time with no qualification and I'm genuinely curious as to why people think this is, can you enlighten me at all?

I'm not sure the person who posted this actually knows jack shit, but coming from someone who has tried to use windows for adobe creative suite coming off a mac, I can try to explain why. Adobe creative suite is pretty much identical between the two operating systems (With the exception of cs4, which for some reason lacked a 64 bit mac version) so it essentially comes down to how the operating system interacts with the program. I can certainly tell you that finder works better then windows explorer (For everything, but it shows more when using photoshop) when transferring large files quickly in and out of a workspace. It is also true that it is more efficient to never worry about viruses (DURR), but this is true with pretty much any professional use of a computer. Another thing is the lack of Final Cut on windows, which is definitely a deal breaker for me.

Macs get viruses too... -_-

Oh really? Show me one recorded case that a mac, running the latest version of OS X, has gotten a virus.

 

[brainslurper]

I've spent the last 2 days trying to get Wine to work on my Macbook, and the strong impression I'm getting is that no, Macs cannot run Windows software.

Go to applications folder, go to utilities, and click boot camp assistant. Assuming you have a windows disk (You can burn one) you can get windows installing in a couple minutes.

 

[gyroscopeboy]

Just build a hackintosh that dual boots into Windows 7...wont cost you more than $2000

 

[brainslurper]

Your friend is an idiot, dont listen to him.

As for what computer to get, a mac will always be incredibly more expensive for significantly less power, but they'll generally be relatively user friendly. But if you know how to use windows and are comfortable with it then dont get a mac as theres 0 reason to.

As to the things your friend said specifically
- the games being instantlly installed is rubbish.
- most, if not all games are NOT designed FOR macs (whether or not they're designed ON macs is irrelevant).
- not all games run on macs, although all macs can install windows so u can do it by that but its a hassle.
- $1,200 for a pc (windows) will buy you a perfectly suitable mid-high end gaming machine that can run all new games on high settings, for which you'd be paying ~$2,500 or more for equivalent specs on a Mac.

Hardly a hassle. Apple makes it very easy to dual boot, unlike microsoft, desperate to keep their monopoly.

 

[brainslurper]

"THEN spend at least $3,000 bucks on a new, up-to-date gaming rig."

A great gaming rig wouldn't cost anywhere near that much. As for Macs, you'd need to dual boot with Windows, and it can be somewhat of a pain.

It takes a whole 2 minutes of idiot proof instructions to do, courtesy of apple. So much misinformation going on up in this *****.

 

[brainslurper]

if it has Mac written on the box/steam page, it'll run.
until you need to upgrade it, in which case you have to... fuck it, it'll be cheaper to use your gaming rig for as much work as possible, and not get a Mac (unless you're a graphic designer/film editor).

You are the most reasonable windows user on this thread.

 

[Reveras]

Im not a mac expert but from what I understand a lot of that is false. You can play some PC games on it but its a very limited number and kind of a pain to get it working like that. If you want a gaming PC then you should really just get a gaming PC

If you have the technical know how you can build a great gaming PC for $500-1000. If you want a state of the art one you can build it for 1500-1700 maybe upwards to 2k for the absolute top of the line equipment. There are a number of a different ways to gain that expertise to from websites to youtube channels. If you're a PC gamer and dont mind not having a warranty (outside your own expertise) then I highly recommend learning how to build your own PC

Pretty much this and I do recommend NCIX channel.

OT: What's the name of the guy/doggy/cute thing in your av, I forgot and it's driving me crazy.

 

[brainslurper]

Oh my, I haven't had a good laugh for while. Thank you for curing that.

Ok, right.

Firstly:

Games really don't work on a Mac. Only a selection of games do, and that's because they've been made to, or your using onlive.

And it's possible to have an odd amount of Ram, it's just you have to make it out off 1gb and 2gb stick. And it's not because no one has bothered to it's because of the most basic rules of computing.

Binary decimal values. 1,2,4,8,16 etc. It's why you won't get a 3gb memory stick.

Or it is because you are dual booting windows, or running it as a VM. Which is piss easy to do.