"All PC Games Run On Macs." What?

[brainslurper]

wow what?? there seems to be a fair bit of noobness here:

- PCs are cheaper and more powerful than macs, for the most part. they are closing the gap in the laptop market, but for desktop, PCs are still way better value than macs (performance:cost) the trade-off being that they are usually bigger and noisier. (who cares...)
- Macs CAN NOT run all PC games, not by a long shot, not unless you install windows on it, in which case you obviously get EXACTLY the same user experience as you would on a PC. only (as mentioned above) slower, and more expensive...


a *PC* can do everything you need to do. in specialized industries, you might need a mac, but I know professional video and audio producers that use PCs, so needing a mac for that stuff might be BS too...

in fact the *only* thing I know you need a mac for, is making iOS apps.


just buy a PC, but not one off a shelf, hopefully you have a friend who is tech savvy, who can help you out. if not, I'm sure any specialist computer store (maybe online) can help you out.

I would disagree with your claims about price. The only computers I would say are above the average price/value ratio are the MacBook Pros, and the Mac Pros. The MacBook Air and the iMac absolutely kill anything near their price. You certainly don't NEED a Mac for anything. That doesn't mean that you are going to be way better off in whatever industry you work in by owning a mac, not only because of the superiority of OS X, but the ability to switch to windows if the need arises.

 

[brainslurper]

Oh my, I haven't had a good laugh for while. Thank you for curing that.

Ok, right.

Firstly:

Games really don't work on a Mac. Only a selection of games do, and that's because they've been made to, or your using onlive.

And it's possible to have an odd amount of Ram, it's just you have to make it out off 1gb and 2gb stick. And it's not because no one has bothered to it's because of the most basic rules of computing.

Binary decimal values. 1,2,4,8,16 etc. It's why you won't get a 3gb memory stick.

Or it is because you are dual booting windows, or running it as a VM. Which is piss easy to do.

But there is no good reason to do that.

Building my own PC is also piss-easy, then I can dual boot the Mac OSX or VM it, for one third of the cost.

It is not piss easy to build a pc. Most people can't do it. Most people also can't figure out how to hackintosh. As I have said to other people, find me an all in one that can compete with my iMac at all, then we will start talking about price.

Yes it is. ALL THE PARTS COME WITH EASY-READ MANUALS. USE THEEEEEEMMMMMMMMM!

Also, I don`t want your all-in-one. I don`t buy a computer with a touchscreen, full utility software, email programs, photo viewer, photoshop, music program, specialized internet browser, and sleek design when all I want to do is game and code. I`ll just uninstall all the stuff I mentioned. ALL of it. Why the hell would I pay an extra $2000 for that, especially when you consider that it`s an exorbitant price for all that anyways.

You seem to overestimate the intelligence of the average human. For you it is definitely better to build a simple windows computer, but for people that want to buy a computer with every program they will need already installed, and no way to fuck it up, macs are always there. On a side note, just because macs intuitiveness makes them a go to choice for stupid people, it also makes people who know how to use a computer far more efficient when using them.

 

[brainslurper]

That is a tower, not an all in one. Try again.

Oh, you`re talking about the monitor being the computer. I UNDERSTAND!

...Yeah, not finding one because I would never buy one. I wouldn`t take one for free.

I accept your surrender to my challenge =P

 

[brainslurper]

I wouldn't usually say this, but at least 75% of the people here have no fucking idea what they are talking about. Yes, you can certainly run windows games on a Mac. It takes about about 5 clicks to get windows installed on your mac, from there it can run windows just as well (And in some proven cases, better) then a windows native computer. And you still have all the advantages of OS X if you want to do professional work. The thing is, if you aren't going to take advantage of an OS X native system, then you are better of buying a cheaper (Less reliable) windows native computer.

Exactly what are these "proven cases" where running Windows on an iMac is better? It sounds like you're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. They both use the same hardware architecture, except the stuff in iMacs is pathetically weak but comes in a shiny box and a huge price tag.

Here here! I second this above question. Please; bring on the proven cases, and I want to see how much more performance and extra $3000 gets you, with lesser components, please, I'm just dying to know how it's possible to pay more money, get less capable hardware, and yet still come out in front - is it magic man?

I wouldn't usually say this, but at least 75% of the people here have no fucking idea what they are talking about. Yes, you can certainly run windows games on a Mac. It takes about about 5 clicks to get windows installed on your mac, from there it can run windows just as well (And in some proven cases, better) then a windows native computer. And you still have all the advantages of OS X if you want to do professional work. The thing is, if you aren't going to take advantage of an OS X native system, then you are better of buying a cheaper (Less reliable) windows native computer.

Exactly what are these "proven cases" where running Windows on an iMac is better? It sounds like you're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. They both use the same hardware architecture, except the stuff in iMacs is pathetically weak but comes in a shiny box and a huge price tag.

It was a big study by popular mechanics, it started as a simple windows native computer vs os x native computer of equal hardware. Also, about the price tag, I challenge you to find ANYTHING that can even remotely compete with an iMac.

Challenge accepted! Please read my above post for more details.

Then I challenge you, to tell me why, a laptop shoved into a monitor, could possibly ever compete with a real bonafied PC.

Okay, that is like me saying "My MacBook is better then your iPhone". Find an all in one.

No, its actually asking you to either withdraw your statement that a mac could possibly run better than a similar, check that, superior speced PC.

And furthermore, its my marketable desktop computer kicks the shit out of your marketable desktop computer, because it gives much more bang for much less buck.

So go on, give us the tests or withdraw the statement.

Like it or not, all in ones are a HUGE part of the PC market, one that apple is entirely dominating. Just like apple is dominating the ultraportable market.

 

[brainslurper]

I wouldn't usually say this, but at least 75% of the people here have no fucking idea what they are talking about. Yes, you can certainly run windows games on a Mac. It takes about about 5 clicks to get windows installed on your mac, from there it can run windows just as well (And in some proven cases, better) then a windows native computer. And you still have all the advantages of OS X if you want to do professional work. The thing is, if you aren't going to take advantage of an OS X native system, then you are better of buying a cheaper (Less reliable) windows native computer.

Exactly what are these "proven cases" where running Windows on an iMac is better? It sounds like you're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. They both use the same hardware architecture, except the stuff in iMacs is pathetically weak but comes in a shiny box and a huge price tag.

It was a big study by popular mechanics, it started as a simple windows native computer vs os x native computer of equal hardware. Also, about the price tag, I challenge you to find ANYTHING that can even remotely compete with an iMac.

You got a source for this? Because it's still not making any sense. If you have a PC and an iMac with the same specs then they should run Windows in the same manner.

Are you joking? The cheapest iMac is £999 and comes with a whopping AMD Radeon HD 6750M. It's not even a desktop graphics chipset, it's the one they use in laptops! That's absolutely insane for the price. After looking for a whole minute I found this http://3xs.scan.co.uk/ShowSystem.asp?SystemID=1017 which is about the same price but has specs which would destroy the iMac and even then that is probably overpriced to some degree and you could build it for cheaper yourself.

That is a tower, not an all in one. Try again.

You said nothing about it being an all in one. I said the hardware was pathetically weak, you asked me to find something better for the money, I did. After reading your subsequent posts you're nothing but a mac fanboy.

I'm still waiting on the details of these "proven cases" where windows runs better on a mac than a pc...

I already told you who published the study, and what it was about, you can find it yourself. It doesn't matter how powerful the hardware is, I can pull out my laptop when someone challenges me to find something the can compete with their iPhone and it still won't make sense. Just find an all in one. Nobody on this thread yet has been able to.

Edit: If you give up on that, try to find something that will compete with a MacBook air. Slightly less difficult, however still an unanswered challenge.

 

[Conza]

I wouldn't usually say this, but at least 75% of the people here have no fucking idea what they are talking about. Yes, you can certainly run windows games on a Mac. It takes about about 5 clicks to get windows installed on your mac, from there it can run windows just as well (And in some proven cases, better) then a windows native computer. And you still have all the advantages of OS X if you want to do professional work. The thing is, if you aren't going to take advantage of an OS X native system, then you are better of buying a cheaper (Less reliable) windows native computer.

Exactly what are these "proven cases" where running Windows on an iMac is better? It sounds like you're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. They both use the same hardware architecture, except the stuff in iMacs is pathetically weak but comes in a shiny box and a huge price tag.

Here here! I second this above question. Please; bring on the proven cases, and I want to see how much more performance and extra $3000 gets you, with lesser components, please, I'm just dying to know how it's possible to pay more money, get less capable hardware, and yet still come out in front - is it magic man?

I wouldn't usually say this, but at least 75% of the people here have no fucking idea what they are talking about. Yes, you can certainly run windows games on a Mac. It takes about about 5 clicks to get windows installed on your mac, from there it can run windows just as well (And in some proven cases, better) then a windows native computer. And you still have all the advantages of OS X if you want to do professional work. The thing is, if you aren't going to take advantage of an OS X native system, then you are better of buying a cheaper (Less reliable) windows native computer.

Exactly what are these "proven cases" where running Windows on an iMac is better? It sounds like you're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. They both use the same hardware architecture, except the stuff in iMacs is pathetically weak but comes in a shiny box and a huge price tag.

It was a big study by popular mechanics, it started as a simple windows native computer vs os x native computer of equal hardware. Also, about the price tag, I challenge you to find ANYTHING that can even remotely compete with an iMac.

Challenge accepted! Please read my above post for more details.

Then I challenge you, to tell me why, a laptop shoved into a monitor, could possibly ever compete with a real bonafied PC.

Okay, that is like me saying "My MacBook is better then your iPhone". Find an all in one.

No, its actually asking you to either withdraw your statement that a mac could possibly run better than a similar, check that, superior speced PC.

And furthermore, its my marketable desktop computer kicks the shit out of your marketable desktop computer, because it gives much more bang for much less buck.

So go on, give us the tests or withdraw the statement.

Like it or not, all in ones are a HUGE part of the PC market, one that apple is entirely dominating. Just like apple is dominating the ultraportable market.

Excuse me for saying this, as I intend no ill will.

Are you mentally retarded?

I shall, say again. Please provide the case studies, or conceed and be done with it.

iMacs, while 'yes' are "WONDERFUL!" all in ones *pukes* are pieces of shit, when it comes to graphics power.

Yes, they have a place in the market, for morons who can't connect a video cable into video card. Fark, if you're that dumb, then you deserve an iMac, serves those people right. It really shouldn't take a high IQ, to plug a video plug into a video card now can it? Oh well! Just waste more money on a soon to be dated computer because of sheer laziness.

Yay Apple!

 

[brainslurper]

Better Option.
Keep you Mac as a work computer, pickup every gaming console, use the remaining 2100$-2300$ on food, bills and some games for your systems.

I personally am primarily a computer gamer. But half the games that come out these games are slightly out of my main computer's reach.

Thats where consoles come in. You can get a refurbished 360 for 100$ flat. Its not only a FAR cheaper alternative, but it requires no upkeep, lasts a few years, and is COMPLETELY disposable. You can get 15 360's for the price of a single gaming comp.

And of course, you can get all 3 systems too, and play games that will never come to PC. Heavy Rain, Gears of War, God of War, Dynasty Warriors, Killzone.....

Sure, you dont get to mod or adjust graphics or anything, but look at how much your saving!

I own a PS3 and a 360, and i used to own a Wii ((gave it to my little cousin)). I also own a good gaming comp. But anything that comes out that my comp can barely handle ((crysis, skyrim soon too)) i will get it on a console. Because of how much im saving.

You can bite the bullet and give into buying an expensive PC, or bite the bullet, and spend a 1/8th on a console. Also, yes, hes talking out of his ass. Hes either a troll, and a bad one at that, or an idiot. Possibly both.

I could get 3 360s for the price of my gaming computer, which is able to play battlefield 3 on max settings. Just saying. Another solution would be to get a mac, and install windows via boot camp. Anything on the mac product line will be able to play games far better then a console would be able to.

 

[brainslurper]

Oh really? Show me one recorded case that a mac, running the latest version of OS X, has gotten a virus.

Macs -cannot- run 'all' PC titles. Your friends are misinformed.

Yes, they can. Macs are computers. They run on x86 processors. Therefor they can run windows. Apple even makes it easy by building a boot loader into to the OS, something microsoft would never do.

So, Macs get Windows viruses then. [http://www.tf2wiki.net/w/images/7/7a/Heavy_domination15.wav]

Oh wait...you said when a Mac is running Mac software...dodging that bullet.

http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/10/03/mac-malware-history/#2011 [http://www.tf2wiki.net/w/images/6/6a/Heavy_yell14_Vzzzzzt%21_Mimics_Minigun_noise_Wahahahaaaaaa%21.wav]

Malware =/= virus. Just only install steam in your windows partition, and have 0 chance of getting a virus, and use the OS X partition for work, or anything else that doesn't utilize DX11. Problem solved!

 

[brainslurper]

Your friend is an idiot, dont listen to him.

As for what computer to get, a mac will always be incredibly more expensive for significantly less power, but they'll generally be relatively user friendly. But if you know how to use windows and are comfortable with it then dont get a mac as theres 0 reason to.

As to the things your friend said specifically
- the games being instantlly installed is rubbish.
- most, if not all games are NOT designed FOR macs (whether or not they're designed ON macs is irrelevant).
- not all games run on macs, although all macs can install windows so u can do it by that but its a hassle.
- $1,200 for a pc (windows) will buy you a perfectly suitable mid-high end gaming machine that can run all new games on high settings, for which you'd be paying ~$2,500 or more for equivalent specs on a Mac.

Hardly a hassle. Apple makes it very easy to dual boot, unlike microsoft, desperate to keep their monopoly.

Really? Creating a partition and booting drom your disk drive is difficult?

You said installing windows is a hassle. It takes about 2 minutes to get the drive partitioned, and windows installing. From there, it takes just as long as it would take to install windows on a windows native computer. However, microsoft does not include a boot loader in their operating system, and partitioning your hard drive is far harder on windows.

 

[brainslurper]

"THEN spend at least $3,000 bucks on a new, up-to-date gaming rig."

A great gaming rig wouldn't cost anywhere near that much. As for Macs, you'd need to dual boot with Windows, and it can be somewhat of a pain.

It takes a whole 2 minutes of idiot proof instructions to do, courtesy of apple. So much misinformation going on up in this *****.

Yeah, I meant it can be a pain when running, not that installing it is hard, clever clogs.

Wait, so running windows is a pain? Wait.. what?

 

[brainslurper]

"THEN spend at least $3,000 bucks on a new, up-to-date gaming rig."

A great gaming rig wouldn't cost anywhere near that much. As for Macs, you'd need to dual boot with Windows, and it can be somewhat of a pain.

It takes a whole 2 minutes of idiot proof instructions to do, courtesy of apple. So much misinformation going on up in this *****.

They're not that idiot proof, I can cope with the Gentoo install and I still managed to screw them up.

You managed to screw bootcamp up, or gentoo install up? Because I don't know of someone who could mess up the bootcamp process...

 

[Odbarc]

I don't know what kind of shit games Macs have that don't require an installation, but I would never consider them game-worthy games. Distraction/flash-quality?

I've experienced some Macs because my lady-cousin likes Facebook and MSN and doesn't use it for anything else other than socializing and stealing insecure wi-fi connections.

Laptops seem pretty shitty to me but I'm sure my information on them is generalized and gamers with laptops have probably found something worth their buck.
I don't mind chipping $3000 out of my bank and getting a wicked gaming rig. I spend 10 years saving up the money and kept putting off my upgrade all that time until a game came out I would actually want and needed a new computer to run. (SC2)

I never felt the need to drag my computer with me where I go either. I figure once I started doing that, my life would require that kind of constant connection and losing it would be needlessly painful as it was needlessly gainful.

 

[brainslurper]

Lol macs can't just run a pc game, well i guess in theory they could read the code but the games aren't made to run on them, modern (even very old games) rely on things like directx which are esentially drivers without them the programmers would need to code for each individual model of processor/graphics card/etc. Also it's a sterotype that designers (arts, coding, etc) all use mac, it is not true at all programming taught at my university is in windows using visual studio (which is usually what the pro's use for things like c++, guess why because the application is usually for a windows machine) and netbeans (theres also the fact that all the big software such as photoshop come on both formats).

You are right though you can't get 5gb modules because ram uses the binary number system (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, etc.) but you can have something along the lines of a 4gb module and a 1gb module or something like 2 2gb and 1gb.

One last thing my original gaming rig back in 07 cost £400 to make and it could run basically everything on high @ 1440*900 and that was with a gt 9500. my current one if you minus the watercooling and just used aircooling would be around £800 and that maxs outs everything on 1680*1050 (and the full 1080p when the parents are on holiday and there big tv becomes availble). Point is you don't need to spend mega money to run the lastest and greatest at decent speeds and graphics, the £800 is also my workhorse/powerhouse for compiling programs, and just general work for university.

Also for the money a mac costs you can have a pc which has considerably better specs (and this is using decent makes, if you were to go for cheap £10 = 1gb ram along with other cheaper brands you could build an even faster machine but it might not be that reliable), and has better software compatability (macs are slowly catching up in this i would guess but windows still has the advantage).

Please don't post here unless you have some semblance of experience in the matter. Macs come with bootcamp, which helps you partition your hard drive and install windows in about 2 minutes.

Yeah that allows you to run windows genius, that doesn't mean a mac can just run a pc game it has to run it through windows.

A Mac is a computer. Computers run operating systems. The operating system that Macs come with is not windows, however Apple includes an easy to use application that helps you partition your hard drive and install windows. You can run anything windows can in a matter of minutes. This means you can run anything on windows, or on OS X, all on one computer. HOW ABOUT THAT!

 

[Boxinatorizore]

Not true, at all. Sorry to say. Like many people are saying a high quality gaming build would still be cheaper than a $1200 mac. And the whole, macs are better for the video/art/music type thing, yeah that's not true either. I'm one of those video/art/music type, and i still prefer a pc. It runs all same programs, gives me more freedom, and is cheaper. Only real benefit to a mac is it has a nice shiny interface, but pc's can be customized pretty heavily so you can get a nice shiny interface similar to a macs if you don't enjoy the nice shiny interface of windows 7.

 

[brainslurper]

Oh my, I haven't had a good laugh for while. Thank you for curing that.

Ok, right.

Firstly:

Games really don't work on a Mac. Only a selection of games do, and that's because they've been made to, or your using onlive.

And it's possible to have an odd amount of Ram, it's just you have to make it out off 1gb and 2gb stick. And it's not because no one has bothered to it's because of the most basic rules of computing.

Binary decimal values. 1,2,4,8,16 etc. It's why you won't get a 3gb memory stick.

Or it is because you are dual booting windows, or running it as a VM. Which is piss easy to do.

But there is no good reason to do that.

Building my own PC is also piss-easy, then I can dual boot the Mac OSX or VM it, for one third of the cost.

It is not piss easy to build a pc. Most people can't do it. Most people also can't figure out how to hackintosh. As I have said to other people, find me an all in one that can compete with my iMac at all, then we will start talking about price.

I built a PC when I was 13. It's like legos for fucks sake. If you can't figure out how to put a PC together, then congratulations, your are not smarter than a highschool freshmen. All in one computers are, for the most part, fucking retarded. Its about specs. You can build a gaming computer and get a nice 27" screen for the same price. And you'd be able to game on it, which is more than you can say for an iMac.

My 2 year old iMac games very well still, even under OS X, but I use it primarily for running servers and as a dedicated rendering machine now. For the most part, you are right about all in ones. Coming from someone who owns an iMac, and a AMD 6970/x6 anthon II gaming rig, the iMac is a beast computer. I also use it's awesome 1440x2560 monitor as a display for my gaming rig.

 

[revjor]

I can run any pc game i have the specs for on virtual windows on my mac.

 

[brainslurper]

I wouldn't usually say this, but at least 75% of the people here have no fucking idea what they are talking about. Yes, you can certainly run windows games on a Mac. It takes about about 5 clicks to get windows installed on your mac, from there it can run windows just as well (And in some proven cases, better) then a windows native computer. And you still have all the advantages of OS X if you want to do professional work. The thing is, if you aren't going to take advantage of an OS X native system, then you are better of buying a cheaper (Less reliable) windows native computer.

Exactly what are these "proven cases" where running Windows on an iMac is better? It sounds like you're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. They both use the same hardware architecture, except the stuff in iMacs is pathetically weak but comes in a shiny box and a huge price tag.

Here here! I second this above question. Please; bring on the proven cases, and I want to see how much more performance and extra $3000 gets you, with lesser components, please, I'm just dying to know how it's possible to pay more money, get less capable hardware, and yet still come out in front - is it magic man?

I wouldn't usually say this, but at least 75% of the people here have no fucking idea what they are talking about. Yes, you can certainly run windows games on a Mac. It takes about about 5 clicks to get windows installed on your mac, from there it can run windows just as well (And in some proven cases, better) then a windows native computer. And you still have all the advantages of OS X if you want to do professional work. The thing is, if you aren't going to take advantage of an OS X native system, then you are better of buying a cheaper (Less reliable) windows native computer.

Exactly what are these "proven cases" where running Windows on an iMac is better? It sounds like you're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. They both use the same hardware architecture, except the stuff in iMacs is pathetically weak but comes in a shiny box and a huge price tag.

It was a big study by popular mechanics, it started as a simple windows native computer vs os x native computer of equal hardware. Also, about the price tag, I challenge you to find ANYTHING that can even remotely compete with an iMac.

Challenge accepted! Please read my above post for more details.

Then I challenge you, to tell me why, a laptop shoved into a monitor, could possibly ever compete with a real bonafied PC.

Okay, that is like me saying "My MacBook is better then your iPhone". Find an all in one.

No, its actually asking you to either withdraw your statement that a mac could possibly run better than a similar, check that, superior speced PC.

And furthermore, its my marketable desktop computer kicks the shit out of your marketable desktop computer, because it gives much more bang for much less buck.

So go on, give us the tests or withdraw the statement.

Like it or not, all in ones are a HUGE part of the PC market, one that apple is entirely dominating. Just like apple is dominating the ultraportable market.

Excuse me for saying this, as I intend no ill will.

Are you mentally retarded?

I shall, say again. Please provide the case studies, or conceed and be done with it.

iMacs, while 'yes' are "WONDERFUL!" all in ones *pukes* are pieces of shit, when it comes to graphics power.

Yes, they have a place in the market, for morons who can't connect a video cable into video card. Fark, if you're that dumb, then you deserve an iMac, serves those people right. It really shouldn't take a high IQ, to plug a video plug into a video card now can it? Oh well! Just waste more money on a soon to be dated computer because of sheer laziness.

Yay Apple!

My 2 year old iMac with an ATI 5750m is able to get 40fps on starcraft 2 on all ultra settings, under OS X, at 1440x2560, and that is decent to say the least. There is no computer in it's class that competes with it. Just admit it, and then we can move onto the MacBook air.

 

[Robert Ewing]

Mac framework is completely incompatible with most games and software, even if you install windows on it.

Not denying some games will work on there, but not all of them.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Malware =/= virus. Just only install steam in your windows partition, and have 0 chance of getting a virus, and use the OS X partition for work, or anything else that doesn't utilize DX11. Problem solved!

Apart from you can't play any other game instantly - which was the original question. And you can still get viruses. And malaware can be viruses.

Your fanatical devotion to your own version of reality is entertaining, but I think you should come down to planet Us now and then. Just so we can agree on terms that you seem to be re-defining to suit your own purposes.

Either you can run any game, which means you can have viruses; or you can't. It's not a "Well, Macs are still great" question.

Hell, you can WRITE a virus in Mac Windows...so you can easily be infected with one.

 

[Mrsrlg]

Provided that the RAM, graphic display and all that jazz are compatible with the game's requirements - the game should run just as perfectly on an iMac as it does on a Windows-based computer.
You'd probably need Bootcamp, though, which shouldn't be too hard to set up.

I'm a small-time gamer on a 2011 iMac. Can't say that I've tested every single PC game on it, but those I have tried seem to run perfectly - with all the graphic settings maxed.
Such as Borderlands, TF2, Bioshock 1 & 2 and various other games. +


Also, it's very possible to have a non-even numbered RAM. Totally up to you.