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GothmogII

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Little exposition first: About three weeks ago my grandmother found a juvenile hedgehog foraging on the road inside the estate where she lives. So worried, she took it in, brought it to the vets and had it weighed etc. She didn't have a suitable place to keep it though, and on-top of owning a dog, decided to entrust in to my care (we having an odd number of cats, hah!), but I still had a rather large guinea pig cage lying around which I was able to get back in order.

First two weeks went fine, fed it 1/3 of a tin of dog food per day in two feedings, gave it a hot water-bottle at night, made sure it had clean water/bedding etc. Though during that time my brother started complaining about it, specifically that it was scratching at the bars and climbing up the sides. (Something of a telltale heart?) His stance on the matter that it was undeniably 'cruel' due to the animal's clear determination to find a way out of the cage, despite the fact that it was otherwise in no way distressed. He was to be kept till November until he reached a suitable weight of between 500-600 grams (only being around 220g at the time)

To cut things short, my brother complained enough and the Hedgehog was given back to my grandmother who released into her garden, where I've seen it is thankfully still being fed. To be honest, I think this is a better solution for the time being. Now to the crux of the matter:

I confronted my brother on the issue, his stance was as follows:

It's cruel and against nature to take animals and put them in cages (regardless of the circumstances)

I don't necessarily disagree with this in principle, but it's hardly true to say that this should never occur.

However, I rebutted with the fact that without aid the animal could a: have starved, and b: been run over quite easily.

To which I got of course: Well that's just nature, we shouldn't get involved!

Ignoring for a moment the issue of being unable to find sustenance, that issue in itself brought on by the Human need for habitation, and to expand, inevitably overcoming territories that these kind of animals frequent. But, that is what it is. I do accept that our needs come first.

But...what baffled me was that he stated outright, that the latter issue (of being run over by a car) was also perfectly fine and natural, because the Hedgehog should just learn to deal with such encounters. The exchange ended quite rapidly at that point once I accused my brother of being a hypocrite. I suspect one or both of us will be nursing this the rest of the night :/


So, for your discussion pleasure this evening:

To what lengths should one go to aid one's local wildlife? And, does it point to a hypocrisy to be against human intervention to -aid- animals, yet to be perfectly fine with indirect intervention that harms animals as long as it isn't premeditated?
 

the spud

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Your brother doesn't really think his arguments through, does he? You pretty much hit all the flaws in his argument; it is hypocritical to say that a hedgehog getting run over is just nature, while helping one is unnatural. I have little else to add, really.
 

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Humans are screwing things up for wildlife in more ways than we even know about. It's only fair that we try and help the occasional hedgehog.
 

k-ossuburb

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You should've just given him some golden rings and sent him on his speedy, blue, little way.

OT: Over here in the U.K. it's illegal to attempt to domesticate a wild animal and/or keep it in ones home unless you're just keeping it there temporarily until you can take it to the nearest vet.
 

Esotera

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Helping animals isn't unnatural...it seems that looking after animals must be a byproduct of human evolution, otherwise we wouldn't have domesticated as many species as we have. But I would say that consistently helping them through wildlife programs (i.e., putting out bird-feeders in your garden is unnatural). Then again, so is getting hit by a car...for the moment. A species will evolve so that it is better adapted to its environment. So if you were really pedantic, you could make a valid biological argument that everything is natural, but in practice, evolution takes a bit of time to catch up to such rapid changes.

My opinion is that we should just let nature get on with it, as long as the species isn't nearing extinction, and even then, we should only intervene if humanity caused the crisis.
 

Shoqiyqa

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I've also heard that domestic cats slowly torturing birds and small mammals to death for their own sick pleasure is "just nature" from people who'd have a fit and demand extermination if a fox, badger, domestic dog, eagle owl or particularly potent adder ended the cat.

I've also heard that we shouldn't worry about cod going extinct because they're an evolutionary dead-end as they can't outswim trawlers.

I dismiss the originators of such assertions as jackasses.
 

GothmogII

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k-ossuburb said:
You should've just given him some golden rings and sent him on his speedy, blue, little way.

OT: Over here in the U.K. it's illegal to attempt to domesticate a wild animal and/or keep it in ones home unless you're just keeping it there temporarily until you can take it to the nearest vet.
Mhm, the whole process is called over-wintering, during which orphaned or juvenile hedgehogs are taken in and fed up before being released, usually for a period of up to one month, depending on what time of the year you find them. Usually it's okay to leave them out in the wild and feed them in the safety of your garden, but the trouble we had was that there it was foraging around a busy estate road early in the evening, and that there are a number of owned dogs and cats in the area. (Though, we observed it chasing off a cat three times it's size earlier today, so I think it's going to be fine regardless, we're still feeding it in the meantime.)

Buy yeah, I agree, the idea is not to domesticate the animal. Only to care for it for as long as it requires such care and to keep physical contact to a minimum, no coddling and such.
 

ShindoL Shill

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explain that human nature is to kill the opposition, and you could easily stab him to death and that wouldnt be against nature by his views.

OT: i would do the exact same thing. actually, my friend had a hamster and it used to climb the bars like monkey-bars. maybe the hedgehog was trying that out.
 

CloudyCandyx

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Hedgehogs like to climb the bars of their cages...they're just playful little guys. Bring him back home and set him up with everything hedgehogs like, and he'll be fine. The cage was a great size, but he should be eating cat food, not dog food. Your best best is to find a cat food that's a weight loss formula. Just give him that, something to hide in, something to play with, and make sure it's at least 75 degrees at all times (depending on how you keep your home, you can use a heat lamp, or you can just turn the heat up).
Keeping him outside isn't actually a great idea, especially if you don't live in a warm climate. Hedgehogs aren't from around here. They need it to be warm or they can (and probably will) die. And besides from that, all hedgehogs around here are 100% domesticated; chances are he was a pet and someone left him on the side of the road. So I would take him home and give him a proper setup. You can look up exactly what you need online. Your brother is dumb.