Always On-line is Not a Deal-Breaker for Me.

[Byere]

Seriously people, learn to just accept the shit as it comes, have some patience, and just get on with your lives.

That's a horrible attitude to take. Why should people just accept whatever bullshit people decide is best for them?

No no no... I didn't mean it like that. Yes, by all right argue decisions and such. I was referring to if servers go down and such, or if problems arise that stop you playing the game that are out of the control of the developers.
If or when stuff like that happens, there's no point in shouting and screaming about it. All I was saying was that if stuff like that happens, people need to stay calm and accept that it's happened and have patience until the problem or problems are resolved.

Also, on a side note, you shouldn't take something like what you quoted of my message out of context like that. You didn't point out that what you quoted was in-fact a part of the second section of my original posting that wasn't about being always on-line to play the game but about the problems that may arise and how many of the younger gamers today don't seem to have the patience to deal with such things happening, letting their anger boil over because of it all.

Anyway, to add to the topic and my original message, most people who will be playing games like this will have broadband-style connections. Aka, they'll always be connected to the internet unless there are problems with the connection on THEIR end (the internet is down, the router isn't working, parents have cut off the internet because the gamer kid has gotten in trouble, etc). Players cannot blame the developers for that.
I understand why they made it always online. Between the way they've learned about how MMOs work from WoW and other such ideals as in automatic updates (both for the game patches/fixes AND needing to keep a permanently current pricing for the Auction House) and so on, I personally don't see it as a problem at all. If there are problems that stop me playing D3, there ARE other games to play.

 

[Odbarc]

If my internet is down, I'm pissed.
Generally speaking, offline mode in games usually sucks for some apparent reason. There's rarely a "we have online and offline modes" where the online mode isn't clearly superior in every possible way.

If my internet is down, I'm not just blocked from playing ONE game. I'm blocked from my entire daily website checks. About 4 news sites. World, local, games, and celebrity.
Being cut off from even this alone is a strain not to mention all the little bits of web surfing one does in a day out of boredom.
And the STUFF you find!
Being cut off from potential is what really cuts people deep, I think.

 

[dyre]

I can understand why always-online is annoying; I just don't get why everyone is treating this online-DRM thing like the second coming of Hitler. The game has a feature you dislike; therefore, don't buy the game. Or if you think it's not a deal-breaker, then go ahead and buy it.

There's no need for all the rhetoric about boycotting or Blizzard being evil :/

 

[Lovely Mixture]

I can understand why always-online is annoying; I just don't get why everyone is treating this online-DRM thing like the second coming of Hitler.

This was the final straw for some Blizzard fans. Camel's back etc.
Other controversies include.
-Diablo III's artstyle (personal grievance but still applicable)
-splitting Starcraft II into three separate single player games
-taking away mod support

Blizzard of olden times is long gone that's for sure, along with old Bioware, and old IO interactive.

 

[V da Mighty Taco]

I can understand why always-online is annoying; I just don't get why everyone is treating this online-DRM thing like the second coming of Hitler. The game has a feature you dislike; therefore, don't buy the game. Or if you think it's not a deal-breaker, then go ahead and buy it.

There's no need for all the rhetoric about boycotting or Blizzard being evil :/

The only way companies can understand why people are upset and aren't buying their product is if consumers complain about it. It'd be to the detriment of all involved if the customers' just kept their mouth's shut and left the companies in the dark about why the product isn't selling.

 

[dyre]

I can understand why always-online is annoying; I just don't get why everyone is treating this online-DRM thing like the second coming of Hitler. The game has a feature you dislike; therefore, don't buy the game. Or if you think it's not a deal-breaker, then go ahead and buy it.

There's no need for all the rhetoric about boycotting or Blizzard being evil :/

The only way companies can understand why people are upset and aren't buying their product is if consumers complain about it. It'd be to the detriment of all involved if the customers' just kept their mouth's shut and left the companies in the dark about why the product isn't selling.

Yeah, but I don't think Blizzard reads the Escapist threads. I'm not against customers providing feedback on products; it's just that forum rage is hardly productive. It just seems like the internet equivalent of a bunch of guys in a room shouting angrily about how much they hate Apple or w/e. At best it's lazy activism, replacing productive action (petitions, email campaigns) with useless yelling.

 

[dyre]

I can understand why always-online is annoying; I just don't get why everyone is treating this online-DRM thing like the second coming of Hitler.

This was the final straw for some Blizzard fans. Camel's back etc.
Other controversies include.
-Diablo III's artstyle (personal grievance but still applicable)
-splitting Starcraft II into three separate single player games
-taking away mod support

Blizzard of olden times is long gone that's for sure, along with old Bioware, and old IO interactive.

Hmm, I guess I can understand the DRM rage might just be pent-up rage about Blizzard in general, released at this one final offense. That does make sense, thanks.

With IO, are you just referring to the shitty Kane and Lynch game, or did they do something bad to Hitman Absolution that I wasn't aware about?

 

[theultimateend]

wait...so how exactly are you suffering if a game doesn't have an 'always online' requirement?

They wanted to get into an internet debate.

The biggest part of doing debates on the internet is saying something stupid, it catches people's attention and gives you a sense of importance.

Basically someone justifying their personal beliefs publicly is more intending to manipulate others than to just announce their feelings.

Mostly because when you have personal beliefs you believe them personally, unless you are not entirely sure of yourself.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

Hmm, I guess I can understand the DRM rage might just be pent-up rage about Blizzard in general, released at this one final offense. That does make sense, thanks.

No problem. It's always good to have some cordial forum goers on both sides of the discussion.

With IO, are you just referring to the shitty Kane and Lynch game, or did they do something bad to Hitman Absolution that I wasn't aware about?

They've replaced the main voice cast and composer for Hitman Absolution (the people who have been with the game since the beginning), they literally have shut out David Bateson (the voice of 47) and will not return his phone calls.

Hitman Absolution looks very anti-Hitman, I'm not saying it will be bad. But it will not be a Hitman game to me at the very least.

 

[dyre]

With IO, are you just referring to the shitty Kane and Lynch game, or did they do something bad to Hitman Absolution that I wasn't aware about?

They've replaced the main voice cast and composer for Hitman Absolution (the people who have been with the game since the beginning), they literally have shut out David Bateson (the voice of 47) and will not return his phone calls.

Hitman Absolution looks very anti-Hitman, I'm not saying it will be bad. But it will not be a Hitman game to me at the very least.

Oh, geez, that does sound kinda bad. I'll keep my fingers crossed, I guess :/

 

[V da Mighty Taco]

I can understand why always-online is annoying; I just don't get why everyone is treating this online-DRM thing like the second coming of Hitler. The game has a feature you dislike; therefore, don't buy the game. Or if you think it's not a deal-breaker, then go ahead and buy it.

There's no need for all the rhetoric about boycotting or Blizzard being evil :/

The only way companies can understand why people are upset and aren't buying their product is if consumers complain about it. It'd be to the detriment of all involved if the customers' just kept their mouth's shut and left the companies in the dark about why the product isn't selling.

Yeah, but I don't think Blizzard reads the Escapist threads. I'm not against customers providing feedback on products; it's just that forum rage is hardly productive. It just seems like the internet equivalent of a bunch of guys in a room shouting angrily about how much they hate Apple or w/e. At best it's lazy activism, replacing productive action (petitions, email campaigns) with useless yelling.

It does raise awareness to the issues customers have though, even if it's often in the form of incoherent ramblings on the Internet.

 

[Kerboom]

Diablo 2 was plagues with hacks, dubbing of items and a worthless economy due to gold buying.
Always On-line tries to reduce this.

This is where I stopped reading.

I played Diablo 2 six times through. Did I once touch the online portion of the game or feel the need to even consider it?
No.
I didn't at all.

I played it as one should. I played it fighting the evil forces by myself, and I fucking loved every minute of it.

I would play Diablo 3 exactly the same way.

I don't see why I should need to be always connected to their servers to play a game on my own. It's ridiculous.

Yeah and if more people played like you Torchlight 1 would be a roaring community. It is not. You are in the minority. Blizzard cut you off in order to serve the largest amount of customers the best. They cannot serve you in a satisfactory way. I would take my money elsewhere.

This is exactly what I'm doing.

I'm going to go and play a game that was designed by the majority of the Diablo 2 devs, and that's definitely not Diablo 3.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

I understand your complaints

I never said they were my complaints dear sir. These are just controversies that have existed, I don't even know that much about them. I only take issue with the always-online thing, but I've never been a huge fan of Blizard.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

It's a deal breaker for me. I only play single player games, and there is no reason for them to be online only. It's simply a nuisance that I shouldn't have to deal with.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

If it is you relaying it as a complaint then it is your complaint.

I don't even know how you can be that illogical. I'm looking at the situation from Blizzard fans being annoyed at Blizzard and I displayed reasons why they would be annoyed at Blizzard.

You can argue against those reasons, but any sane person will tell you that you can't accuse me of complaining about them or siding with them.

I would also like to point out disowning them doesn't make you look better. It just means you are letting others make decisions for you rather than informing yourself.

And I'm not trying to make myself look better, I'm just trying to tell you to not accuse me doing something that I'm not doing. I hate being misinterpreted with a passion, and it seems you cannot grasp the idea of yourself making a mistake.

It just means you are letting others make decisions for you rather than informing yourself.

I don't see how you can attain this conclusion, it reeks of you accusing me of stoicism by merely one paragraph that I have written.

tl;dr reporting that the complaints exist does not mean I am using them to justify the behavior of fans being outraged, I am merely empathizing with them. I never thought I'd have to argue such a simple point.