Am I alone in disliking invincible NPC allies in FPS games?

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Kukakkau

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Granted it ruins the immersion a bit but the alternative would ruin it a lot more

Imagine this -
COD4 where Cpt. Price dies on the cargo shop to a stray bullet
Halo Reach where George dies to a grunt in the first fight
Half life where you shoot Alyx because she is so annoying and ineffectual

And the list goes on - put simply if they allowed all NPCs to die, there would be no story in a genre where story is often lacking. And if they did have to keep them around for story would you really want characters respawning at every checkpoint?
 

Netrigan

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We could have all the essential NPCs rolling around in bullet-proof Pope-mobiles.

I always find it funny when games put essential characters behind bullet-proof glass to prevent me from shooting them.

Because if you're boring me with exposition, I will shoot you. In Modern Warfare 2, they wouldn't let me shoot the guy boring me during the tutorial, so I shot one of the guys playing basketball in the background. Who's immortal now?
 

Zantos

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They're only invincible to make up for the fact that they're so ridiculously annoyingly stupid.
 

spm1138

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I think a lot of the time it's just the inevitable consequence of the rest of how the game and levels are designed.

If you're gonna have non-invincible AI mates then you need the rest of the game to be built for it.

In most modern shooters they throw a hojillion dumb NPCs at you and your allies miss on purpose so the player winds up doing most of the work. That set-up would just get really annoying if your NPC allies could die.

Look at something like the original ghost recon. Your NPC mates can die but the levels have a very finite supply of baddies and you're meant to position your NPCs to shoot the baddies.
 

FightThePower

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Invincible AI is good, at least with current AI technology.

If you were to make current AI mortal it would be extremely frustrating, because quite frankly, no one has programmed good friendly AI yet; although that's probably deliberate, as I'll explain in a minute. They're likely to get themselves shot, or run in front of your gun and generally screw you over; the AI in the Call of Duty franchise wouldn't last 5 minutes. Having to revive your NPC teammates all the time because they're dumb will swiftly become a chore. Of course, the solution to that is to make the player not punished for the AI's cockups; if a NPC dies, then the player can carry on regardless.

Except that means you can't have plot-important characters anymore, since you can't program a game to change its story depending on where they die, as there are potentially infinite points in the game they could die or not die. So everyone just turns into a Red Shirt, contributing nothing to the game's narrative whatsoever. Of course there are plenty of games where the NPCs are mortal and their deaths can change what happens, but that only works in a restrictive RPG-side quest way.

You could just pull a Halo 1 (i.e. that mission where you have to escort Keyes out of a Covenant Ship) and make it so if a critical NPC dies, you just get an instant Game Over...and then we get escort missions which aren't fun because of reason 1. This could be avoided by simply making the AI very competent, but then that almost completely removes the players involvement as they can sit there whilst everyone else deals with the threat. This is why I think friendly AI is deliberately incompetent - especially since it's entirely possible to reprogram some AI such as the Left 4 Dead bots with some simple console commands.

You can make it so the AI bots in Left 4 Dead stick to you like glue and react insanely quickly to enemies; the default values for how far away the player has to be before they'll move is deliberately programmed to be higher, so that the Player actually has a possibilty of failing. Hypothetically, you could program an AI that's just the right level of competence - they'll hold their own, fight for themselves and not constantly go down but they will not succeed without the player's help, but I think there needs to be substantially better AI technology before that can happen.

Tl;dr:

Mortal dumb bots = frustrating
Mortal clever bots = makes player irrelevant
Mortal dumb but insignificant bots = no plot development

Making NPCs immortal is a way to solve the first problem without causing the other two.
 

Sarge034

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CD-R said:
Sarge034 said:
This becomes soooo much harder if you need someone for the main story and they die cus they are a stupid NPC. I remember once in Morrowind, I was kitting a bunch of somethings, that really wanted to introduce me to my innards, back to a town so the guards could help me. So I get to town and the guards help me. I look at my quests and some dude for the main quest is there. So I'm like, "Cool I'll talk to this dude so I will not have to come back here." Then BAM I see him laying dead on the ground and the game tells me I will not be able to finnish the main quest and would I like to load my game. So I load my save that was from 1.5 hours ago.

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Sarge034 said:
This becomes soooo much harder if you need someone for the main story and they die cus they are a stupid NPC. I remember once in Morrowind, I was kitting a bunch of somethings, that really wanted to introduce me to my innards, back to a town so the guards could help me. So I get to town and the guards help me. I look at my quests and some dude for the main quest is there. So I'm like, "Cool I'll talk to this dude so I will not have to come back here." Then BAM I see him laying dead on the ground and the game tells me I will not be able to finnish the main quest and would I like to load my game. So I load my save that was from 1.5 hours ago.

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Actually it is possible to finish the main quest in Morrowind if you kill a key npc. Although it does require you also kill Vivec too.

http://www.gamebanshee.com/morrowind/locations/quick.php
Why the double quote? Also, I did not have a hyperlink in my post could you fix plz? I should have specified I could not finish the main quest in the manner in which I wanted to. Happy?

What about Halo people? Do you rember the unimportant expendible NPCs? I only rember the ones that could not die cus they were important to the story.
 

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TBH its a much better mechanic to have the main plot characters going off to some other location.. whilst you charge through waves of meat bags with more meat bags behind you also getting butchered..

But there are some games where thats impossible.. like COD, your sgt. or whatever needs to be in the field with you (eg Sgt. Reznov in WAW - he runs around with that PPSH and does fuck all, but he says cool stuff and he isn't noticeable (easily) so he fits in well with the battle).

However in RPGs like Fallout and Oblivion its quite good that the plot guys go unconscious and I think this should be the way when its only you and them and not too many expendables like in COD..
 

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One Hit Noob said:
Remember playing WaW on veteren campaign. How many times did you die? A lot. How did you survive? Because of your invincible allies.
Yea, CoD4 as well. They tried to be different in MW2, but I just camped until all the enemies were dead because of the lack of infina-spawns. I think the most frusterating level EVER was CoD4 mile high club on veteran. The AI did nothing. If you didn't rush, you ran out of time. If you did rush, you got mowed down. It took me three monthes of four hours a day to get it. I don't care too much about achivements, but I'll tattoo that bad boy on my forehead. :? )
 

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Sarge034 said:
I think the most frusterating level EVER was CoD4 mile high club on veteran. The AI did nothing. If you didn't rush, you ran out of time. If you did rush, you got mowed down. It took me three monthes of four hours a day to get it. I don't care too much about achivements, but I'll tattoo that bad boy on my forehead. :?
Sprint forward, knife the bathroom guy, sprint, flashbang, knife, mow them down,sprint,flashbang and so on sliding past shotgunners and hoping they dont react fast enough only to get there and miss the headshot. Yep I remember that level. Did it not once but twice as my brother demanded I 100% it for him too. The second time only took a few tries though.

OT: I don't mind immortal buddies as long as long as their immortality isn't rubbed in my face (e.g taking more shells than a beach and collecting live grenades). Scripted deaths get a bit old after a while though. I liked the older call of duties where you would have unlimited amounts of allies but they would mostly just run forward get shot and die, repeat.