Am I in the wrong?

[Blindswordmaster]

Alright, so here is what happened, one of my friends' younger brother has been getting bullied all year round by another grade 9 kid and me and my friend have told this kid four times that if he kept bullying my friend's younger brother we were going to beat him until he cried. So here's my background with this kid... just thought it would be important to explain the situation first.

So last week-end I was at a popular local band's show with a couple of friends when I saw the kid bullying my friend's younger brother so rather than warning him a fifth time i dragged him to an alley and punched him in the face once, he got up and pulled a knife on me so I warned that if he didn't put it away he would have to drag him self out of the alley. Unfortunately the little shit ignored the warning so when he lunged at me I broke his arm and ran his face against the fence in the alley. Needless to say he was on the ground crying when I walked out of the alley.

So I was just wondering was I in the wrong to do that? and do you think the little shit will be stupid enough to bully my friend's brother again?

Edit: The more important Question is do you think he's going to bully my friend's brother again?

I applaud you sir. You were absolutely right and even the police wouldn't charge you. You defended your friend's brother and you reacted in self-defense.
Note-When someone pulls a knife on you, they're trying to kill you. It is on.

 

[Kinguendo]

think what u want. I was trying to be civilized, and now ur just being an a$$hole.

Yeah, suuuuuure.

Civilized. You whipped "a$$hole" out of the bag the minute you thought I wasnt taking you seriously... now I am questioning your level of psychological (minor) skillZ and you go ad hominem again. I am not the one being an asshole here boyo, I am being logical.

 

[firedfns13]

edit:whoops

 

[firedfns13]

Hahah. Serves the stupid runt right. Once the knife came out I'm sure the use of arm breaking force is justifiable. However, just punching him in the face... not so much.
But I like what you did there.

 

[ghostrider409895]

I do not think beating him was the solution. Sure, you solved one problem because he might not bully your friend's younger brother. It was not a long term solution, and might cause other problems. For instance, the bully might tell on you to a person who could give you serious trouble - like the police - and you might get arrest for assult. I definatley would not want to get arrested for something like that, especially considering that if you go to jail the bully gets the feeling that he won and could go right back on to bullying your friends younger brother. Also, if the bully cannot have this kid he will move on to the next, and there may not be a person to watch out for him. If you want the bully to stop, you have to teach him that what he is doing is wrong, and saddly beating someone's brains in never works. You have to either teach him why what he does is wrong, or get his actions exposed so he will face consequences and will learn that if he does not want to be punished he should stop bullying.

I really do not think beating him stopped the problem. He is either going to move on to a new kid or even get you introuble, which would show him that he was in the right (althought he is not). I say, if you really want him to stop expose him to consequences, but make sure they are by the hand of someone who is legally allowed to administer the consequences.

 

[The Bum]

He desrves it after all if he pulled a knife tecnically he was "attempting to cause bodily harm" so it was self defence

if someone messed with my frends younger bro i'd beat him afer one warning and i don't even like my frends littel bro

 

[Blade3dge]

I can read between the lines. The guy said that it was a kid the same age as his friends younger brother, at taht age, guys start to put on muscle fast, so even one or two years is prolly at least 20lbs, also, he always refered to him as "kid" The average person wouldnt call a 9th grader a kid, every single time until they were at least 18, or if they were very much larger than him.
You said you've trained in muay thai, i just want to say, that is awesome, one of my favorite martial arts. That said, it still doesnt change the fact that a 15 or so year old kid, is prolly not going to use a knife in such a way that it is dangerous. a simple lunge is pretty similar to a punch when the guy winds all the way back first, telegraghed and overextended, makeing it childs-play to avoid, and then break the kids arm. You also didnt address the pause where conversation took place. It's unlikely that he would have stayed all that close, i know if i punched someone in the face for being a douche, I wouldn't stand there while they stood up so they could hit back.

Actually putting on weight is different for every person.

You are filling in the many blanks for him, I am simply saying this story doesnt have the detail to be credible.

In fact psychologically when people lie they tell stories in great intricate detail "He was this tall, I was this tall, my abs ripples as I snapped his arm over my knee sending him reeling in pain..." when people lie they try to tell a convincing story, the truth is oftentime simple and true.

He could easily have made up any of the information you're demanding so as far as I'm concerned it's the truth he's enough older than a year 9 to refer to the year 9 as a "kid" every years difference in age around that range makes a very significant difference to muscle mass. Yes the kid could have been really big for a 14 year old and trained at using a knife but thats the less likely scenario. It's easy to believe he could beat a 14 year old.

 

[Agayek]

So I was just wondering was I in the wrong to do that? and do you think the little shit will be stupid enough to bully my friend's brother again?

Edit: The more important Question is do you think he's going to bully my friend's brother again?

I'd say you were 100% in the right there. People like that don't listen to anything but use of force, and he was warned 4 times, so your initial action was acceptable. Then once he pulled the knife, you could have justifiably killed him, IMO.

I doubt he's going to bother your friend's brother again anytime soon. At the very least not in such a way that you'll ever hear of it. Chances are good that he'll be terrified of you for at least a few months, probably longer. He will certainly resent it, and there's a decent chance he'll try to take it out on your friend's brother, but it is extremely unlikely that it will be overt action. Likely nothing worse than the stupid high school rumor mongering shit they like to do.

Edit:
I would also strongly recommend that you teach, or find someone to teach, your friend's brother how to fight. He might be bothered by the nitwit if you're unavailable for whatever reason, and if he can kick the shit out of the bully that will guarantee the problem will go away.

 

[joshuaayt]

Could you not simply have alerted an adult? Like, ANY adult? At all?
Violence usually begets more violence, so you should only use it when it is absolutely necessary.
I'm all for vigilantism, but the fact that you didn't react this strongly on the other times you saw it implies that the bullying wasn't really severe enough that it couldn't wait to be fixed for the ten minutes it might take to find someone to fix it in a less insane fashion.
EDIT: Remembering that what you have described would constitute harrassment, the police would have been a good option.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

What a little shit. You didn't do anything wrong, he could (and might) have killed you with that knife.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

Remembering that what you have described what would constitute harrassment, the police would have been a good option.

When someone pulls a knife on you, your first line of defense is yourself. The guy with the knife isn't going to wait for you to get to the payphone, call 911, report the situation, and wait for the cops to get there.

Also, it isn't the police's job to protect you. They don't give a shit about you, they only want to ensure no one disturbs the "public order".

 

[leviticusd]

I see escalation. The kid you injured might not retaliate, but everybody has friends. He can spin this any way he wants to his friends (or older sibling and his friends if he has them). I can see the kid's friends ganging up on the kid or if they have older friends, they could gang up on you....

Which will lead to more actions on your friends part, etc, etc. So was that the best way to handle it? In my opinion, no if the goal was to keep this from continuing.

 

[Lim3]

How'd you break his arm? Oh and its believable - just take it with a grain of salt.

I was talking to an ex-cop once and he had a case where one guy beat up about 6 other blokes - he had snapped and broken their bones. The guys who were beat up admitted that they were in the wrong since they had ganged up on this guy.

Oh and i think you're in the right - i just hope the guy with the knife doesn't come back with any friends to try and get you.

 

[Oinodaemon]

Bro, I think you did absolutely the right thing. Ever hear of something called "Peace through superior fire-power?" That little ***** shouldn't have pulled a knife...Yea, dude, good for you.

 

[antipunt]

Alright, so here is what happened, one of my friends' younger brother has been getting bullied all year round by another grade 9 kid and me and my friend have told this kid four times that if he kept bullying my friend's younger brother we were going to beat him until he cried. So here's my background with this kid... just thought it would be important to explain the situation first.

So last week-end I was at a popular local band's show with a couple of friends when I saw the kid bullying my friend's younger brother so rather than warning him a fifth time i dragged him to an alley and punched him in the face once, he got up and pulled a knife on me so I warned that if he didn't put it away he would have to drag him self out of the alley. Unfortunately the little shit ignored the warning so when he lunged at me I broke his arm and ran his face against the fence in the alley. Needless to say he was on the ground crying when I walked out of the alley.

So I was just wondering was I in the wrong to do that? and do you think the little shit will be stupid enough to bully my friend's brother again?

He pulled a fucking knife on you! Hell yes you were in the right.

This is my opinion on the matter. Pretty much, any credibility of the opposing party went down the poop-hole when he pulled out a lethal weapon.

 

[Regiment]

I'll play devil's advocate and say you did the wrong thing. This is a classic example of two wrongs failing to make a right. The bully was undoubtedly in the wrong (don't get me started on bullies), but the minute you picked a fight with him you became in the wrong as well. There are most certainly other ways of dealing with problems besides vigilantism and assault (which, technically, is what you did).

Will he bother your brother again? It depends on the bully. There's a chance that he'll be frightened and stay away, but he might well escalate and try to get back at the guy who broke his arm. I have visions of this going on and on. Hopefully he won't try to use that knife.

 

[ottenni]

Where you in the wrong? Well society would say yes. But society doesn't hang around in alleyways. The moment that kid pulled a knife on you, street rules took over. Which means there where no rules so you could just kick the shit out of him. Something i hope he has learned now.

 

[Jfswift]

I don't disagree with doing that. That kid doesn't know any better, his parents probably are jackasses too. It's unfortunate you had to resort to those measures but what else can you do. If he pulled a knife all rules are gone at that point.

 

[neilsaccount]

Alright, so here is what happened, one of my friends' younger brother has been getting bullied all year round by another grade 9 kid and me and my friend have told this kid four times that if he kept bullying my friend's younger brother we were going to beat him until he cried. So here's my background with this kid... just thought it would be important to explain the situation first.

So last week-end I was at a popular local band's show with a couple of friends when I saw the kid bullying my friend's younger brother so rather than warning him a fifth time i dragged him to an alley and punched him in the face once, he got up and pulled a knife on me so I warned that if he didn't put it away he would have to drag him self out of the alley. Unfortunately the little shit ignored the warning so when he lunged at me I broke his arm and ran his face against the fence in the alley. Needless to say he was on the ground crying when I walked out of the alley.

So I was just wondering was I in the wrong to do that? and do you think the little shit will be stupid enough to bully my friend's brother again?

Edit: The more important Question is do you think he's going to bully my friend's brother again?

Firstly it depends how young you are, and if you are younger then 18 go to the police. If not then that could be called child assault. There is always the chance that he will want to take revenge on you through your friend's brother, considering he is easier to pick on and he will be extra mad at him now that you have caved his face in. Also if he pulled a knife out on you then who knows he might do the same again. Better to be on the safe side in this situation and call the five-o.

 

[joshuaayt]

Remembering that what you have described what would constitute harrassment, the police would have been a good option.

When someone pulls a knife on you, your first line of defense is yourself. The guy with the knife isn't going to wait for you to get to the payphone, call 911, report the situation, and wait for the cops to get there.

Also, it isn't the police's job to protect you. They don't give a shit about you, they only want to ensure no one disturbs the "public order".

What? Oh, I wasn't disputing that. I probably should have said so. I meant about the whole 'Dragging the kid into an alley and assaulting him in the first place' thing.