Am I in the wrong?
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You got a knife pulled on you. Anything you did to that kid was more than justified.
Proper respects for handling yourself far better than I would've in that sort of situation.
Proper respects for handling yourself far better than I would've in that sort of situation.
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. Unfortunately incompetence seems to be increasing. It saddens me to see so many people willing to go along with dragging kids into alleys and beating the crap out of them as a legitimate solution.
Sure, once he pulled a knife there wasn't much choice but to attack ruthlessly, but you're the one that started it, and thus he was the one defending himself. Legally and ethically.
Maybe if the bullying was bad enough and real authorities had already declined to help it would be a forgivable bit of impulsive stupidity, but it was wrong either way.
Sure, once he pulled a knife there wasn't much choice but to attack ruthlessly, but you're the one that started it, and thus he was the one defending himself. Legally and ethically.
Maybe if the bullying was bad enough and real authorities had already declined to help it would be a forgivable bit of impulsive stupidity, but it was wrong either way.
I think that counts as either vigialante justice or a crime of passion either way HE pulled the weapons HE picked on your friends brother, you just went through on your promise.
AWWW SHIT! ZINGAAAAAAA!Kinguendo said:
OT: I also find this difficult to believe. You want us to believe that you broke someones arm, rammed their face into a fence, all the while they had a knife pulled on you? Even ignoring the knife, its pretty damned hard to break someones arm in a fight. I've seen broken noses and fractured wrists from fights, but the force to break an arm would be pretty intense.
I just can't bite that you broke someones arm.
I would say no, you gave the little shit a lot of warnings over a couple weeks im guessing, but if the idiot pulled a knife on you, i would watch out for your firends brother, if you get what i mean.Smokepuddle said:
I'd say you where in the right and if he has the sense God gave goose shit he won't mess with your friends brother again.
If the other guy pulls a knife you have the right to beat the ever loving shit out of him. That is my personal opinion. Truth be told you are both kind of in the wrong. He should not have been bullying your friends brother, you should have given him a warning before pulling him outside, he should not have had a knife on him, and in the end everyone got the short stick.
Kinguendo said:
I'm going to have to agree with Kinguendo here. I was a Psych major student and even I don't have what it takes to 'read' people, much less 'read' people through web forums.
But what do I know... I quit psych to become a copywriter instead.
Smokepuddle said:
How old are you?
Okay, for starters I'm not entirely sure you resolved anything. For one, if your friend's younger brother can't fight his own battles, it's likely that this kid whose arm you broke is going to be nursing a grudge and go after the kid you were trying to protect when he feels there is an oppertunity and your not around.
What's more, if your substantially older than this kid, you could be in a lot of trouble. See, he might not tell the story the same way you did, and depending on the state if he says he pulled a knife to defend himself against YOU well... he might not be considered to have been using excessive force if you are older and stronger than he is. It seems to be your word against his, there were no witnesses, there is a history, and he has a broken arm. I hope things go well for you but... wow...
To explain things in detail there is this concept I learned as "Continuum of Force" that is basically a way of measuring when "excessive" force is being used. In general for an authority figure like a cop, he can go one step higher on the "chart" than whatever his opposition is using to control the situation. In simple terms this means if the opponent is unarmed he could say go for a night stick, if his opponent had a knife he could go for his gun. In practical terms it's a lot more complicated than that.
When it comes to those who are not authority figures, in many states anyone threatened with violence is required to flee the scene. The idea being that simply by being in a fight both people are liable, unless one guy literally chases someone down who was in the process of fleeing. If it comes down to a fight, or someone say corners someone else in an alleyway like you seem to be describing, a person is only supposed to use equal force to defend themselves or escape. However "equal force" isn't just an equasion based on whether your carrying a weapon or not, it can come down to things like size, more than one person being on a side, the reasonable assumption of training, and other things. If your bigger/older than him by a substantial margin, and he pulls a knife that might not be considered excessive. What's more in breaking his arm, the question of whether he presented a viable threat to you even with a knife could be a serious question... but then again some states are much more liberal with use of force than others.
I'm probably getting over-analytical, and I took criminal justice years ago, and know more about my state than elsewhere. I wish you luck, and hope nothing comes of it. Right now your biggest concern is probably going to be what this kid tells his parents about his broken arm, and what's going to be found out when the police inevitably investigate (if I understand it correctly).
Everything after he pulled the knife was self defense. Everything before that had been promised by a proper warning, so I'd say you're more or less in the right.
As far as him picking on your friend's brother again... Well, he'd be kind of stupid to continue.
As far as him picking on your friend's brother again... Well, he'd be kind of stupid to continue.
You are not wrong, but are not right either. You can be arrested for assault after that attack, though the kid would be stupid to press charges as he had a knife.
You should have told the authorities that you friend was being bullied, and the admin. at you school and/or cops would have dealt with it. I that doesn't work your solution is acceptable, though the kid (having a knife) seems dangerous. Good luck.
You should have told the authorities that you friend was being bullied, and the admin. at you school and/or cops would have dealt with it. I that doesn't work your solution is acceptable, though the kid (having a knife) seems dangerous. Good luck.
For initiating a fight? No.
Defending yourself? Yes. But it came form something you started, so it's really more against you.
Defending yourself? Yes. But it came form something you started, so it's really more against you.
