In all truth, you've become the bully haven't you? I'm not saying you weren't in the right, I don't know what I'd do if someone pulled a knife; however, you were also a bit of a dick in the beginning.
Am I in the wrong?
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True, when push comes to shove "do what must be done".iamded said:
I personally would've just dragged him and forced him to lick the pavement or something, not punch him. But if anyone pulls a knife on me, breaking of limbs would seem considerably minor to what I would do. (I have a temper problem with small children, can't stand them!)
Well on the legal front, you gave him plenty of warning and he pulled a knife, so add your not kicking him while he's down and you're fine there.
Morally I'd say you did the right thing too, for the same reasons as above.
But your main concern does seem to be your friend's brother, which is less predictable.
Maybe he learned his lesson. Maybe he didn't, but will still back off because he doesn't want a matching set of plasters. Maybe he'll get worse and decide to bully in greater numbers.
I think the moral stuff's easier to answer because we can all just give our opinion, which we dictate how we like. Prediction of how some sawn-off shit is going to act is much less clear.
Keep an eye out and chances are if you do catch him at it again a stern look will do the trick. If it doesn't, try talking to a more official authority.
Morally I'd say you did the right thing too, for the same reasons as above.
But your main concern does seem to be your friend's brother, which is less predictable.
Maybe he learned his lesson. Maybe he didn't, but will still back off because he doesn't want a matching set of plasters. Maybe he'll get worse and decide to bully in greater numbers.
I think the moral stuff's easier to answer because we can all just give our opinion, which we dictate how we like. Prediction of how some sawn-off shit is going to act is much less clear.
Keep an eye out and chances are if you do catch him at it again a stern look will do the trick. If it doesn't, try talking to a more official authority.
The little punk deserved what he had coming and more. First of all, the little douche was bullying your friend's brother. No one should have to stand for that, and you warned him that you were going to mess him up if he didn't back off. Maybe he'll reconsider next time he wants to pick on someone.
Also, I disagree feverently with the peple who are saying you should have gone to the teachers or to the police, seriously, deal with you own problems, you have to let these people know you're not the one to mess with and that won't be done by getting a reputation as someone who cries and whines to a higher authority to fight their battles for them (IE a repuation as a *****).
Also, I disagree feverently with the peple who are saying you should have gone to the teachers or to the police, seriously, deal with you own problems, you have to let these people know you're not the one to mess with and that won't be done by getting a reputation as someone who cries and whines to a higher authority to fight their battles for them (IE a repuation as a *****).
No I don't think you were in the wrong. And I HIGHLY doubt he will bully your friend's brother again. He would have to be near brain dead to do so.
Well it depends, if he is just asshole, he will stop bullying that other kid, but if he is really nutcase he will burn both of your houses and/or shoot you in the back.
Just to say I would probably stab him with his own knife so you did a great job restrining yourself.
Just to say I would probably stab him with his own knife so you did a great job restrining yourself.
You are completely justified. 4 warnings and he still didn't get the drift! Fuck, he had it coming mad, you are lucky it was someone like you who had to teach him a lesson and not someone more dangerous. To all the people against violence, you have to understand, sometimes people need a punch in the face. I have been punch in the face twice three times for similar stuff, and I completely deserved it all times.
And then for that psycho kid to pull a knife on you? Holy crap dude, you were lucky you were able to neutralize him, that is way out of line for him. Hopefully the kid, licks his wounds and evaluates his past actions and rectifies them. Its the best you can hope for. I doubt he will bother your brother again.
And then for that psycho kid to pull a knife on you? Holy crap dude, you were lucky you were able to neutralize him, that is way out of line for him. Hopefully the kid, licks his wounds and evaluates his past actions and rectifies them. Its the best you can hope for. I doubt he will bother your brother again.
You see violent crime, you report it to the police. Social bullying can require delicate handling; physical abuse requires lawful enforcement. You don't have to get your hands dirty. Violently abusive people are not positive members of society and need to be either reformed or removed.
You probably should have called the police or spoken to some other authoritative figure long ago, but sadly that probably wouldn't make any difference. Either way, you really shouldn't have hit the guy. But at the same time, I think you were definitely in the right and I applaud you and your friend for standing up for someone other than yourselves who is being bullied. I wish I'd had someone like that when I was at high school.
Anyhow, it's definitely a morally grey area, but I think you're probably in the clear and I salute you guys. Especially since you were brave enough (though admittedly also quite foolish) to stand up to a guy who pulled a knife on you. As for bullying continuing, the guy's probably learned his lesson, but at the same time you and your friend, and his brother, need to watch your backs. If the guy is stupid enough to carry a knife around he's probably stupid enough to carry on the bullying, and also to potentially use that knife. Just be careful, and keep an eye out for each other, is the best advice I can give
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Anyhow, it's definitely a morally grey area, but I think you're probably in the clear and I salute you guys. Especially since you were brave enough (though admittedly also quite foolish) to stand up to a guy who pulled a knife on you. As for bullying continuing, the guy's probably learned his lesson, but at the same time you and your friend, and his brother, need to watch your backs. If the guy is stupid enough to carry a knife around he's probably stupid enough to carry on the bullying, and also to potentially use that knife. Just be careful, and keep an eye out for each other, is the best advice I can give
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Am I one of the few in here that thinks he is in the wrong?
First off, kids tease each other, you don't have to resort to physical violence, it's stupid. Tell someone in authority and keep telling them until they listen, teachers are trained to deal with that.
Secondly, you dragged a 14/15 year old into an alleyway (I don't know how old you are, but I'm guessing you're older) and punched him in the face. What the hell? He's a child.
He pulled a knife on you, but I'm guessing he wouldn't have done that if you hadn't dragged him into an alleyway and punched him in the face.
Legally you're in the wrong, he was defending himself from you. He can plead self defence and get you in a whole heap of trouble for aggravated assault.
saying "Stop picking on my friend's brother" a few times beforehand doesn't make it ok.
Oh, and since you broke his arm, it's going to be really obvious and when people ask who broke his arm, he's not going to be too embarassed about saying "<friend's brother's> brother's friend in grade/high school" and they're going to trace it back to you and you're gonna get at least some kind of reprisal most likely.
First off, kids tease each other, you don't have to resort to physical violence, it's stupid. Tell someone in authority and keep telling them until they listen, teachers are trained to deal with that.
Secondly, you dragged a 14/15 year old into an alleyway (I don't know how old you are, but I'm guessing you're older) and punched him in the face. What the hell? He's a child.
He pulled a knife on you, but I'm guessing he wouldn't have done that if you hadn't dragged him into an alleyway and punched him in the face.
Legally you're in the wrong, he was defending himself from you. He can plead self defence and get you in a whole heap of trouble for aggravated assault.
saying "Stop picking on my friend's brother" a few times beforehand doesn't make it ok.
Oh, and since you broke his arm, it's going to be really obvious and when people ask who broke his arm, he's not going to be too embarassed about saying "<friend's brother's> brother's friend in grade/high school" and they're going to trace it back to you and you're gonna get at least some kind of reprisal most likely.
so that excuses him bullying and carrying a knife?Old Trailmix said:
i had a shit homelife when i was younger and i didnt bully others.
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i would say you're not in the wrong
you warned the bully on many occasions and finally went to beat him, he pulls a knife so you break his arm. a person like that wont stop because of parents/teachers. i see it that you did your civic duty.
although watch out he might sneak up on you for revenge.
If you have ever done self defense at all you would know this is more than possible. Even besides that he never said they he hadn't moved a bit away from the kid before the knife was pulled. Also an arm is ridiculously easy to break. It is a hinge joint hardly the most awkward thing in the world to break. We are also given the impression that he is older than the bully.Kinguendo said:
Kid pulled a knife, end of story. Good on ya to help a friend like that.
If nobody had intervened he would have escalated things, and given that he had a knife and did not care about being threatened he might have seriously hurt your friend's brother.
If nobody had intervened he would have escalated things, and given that he had a knife and did not care about being threatened he might have seriously hurt your friend's brother.
What's wrong is starting the fight in the first place. This entire scenario shouldn't have happened. Anyway, if someone pulls a knife on you, your first reaction should realistically be to run away. This isn't cowardice; it's logic. He's armed, he could hurt you easier than you could hurt him, and you should generally try not to escalate situations.NIHILHATE said:
That's what I think. Like I said, escalating a situation tends to lead to more escalation. If this bully's actually assaulting someone, tell a teacher or the police, depending on the age of the people involved and magnitude of the incidents. That's why these people are there.Keewa said: