Am I in the wrong?

[tjarne]

Good job, you did what I wouldn't dare to do. If that's the only way the little punk is going to learn, then so be it. Breaking his arm was self defence so that's OK. If he is really stupid he might try to keep bullying your friends brother.

 

[rescuer86]

So last week-end I was at a popular local band's show with a couple of friends when I saw the kid bullying my friend's younger brother so rather than warning him a fifth time i dragged him to an alley and punched him in the face once, he got up and pulled a knife on me so I warned that if he didn't put it away he would have to drag him self out of the alley. Unfortunately the little shit ignored the warning so when he lunged at me I broke his arm and ran his face against the fence in the alley. Needless to say he was on the ground crying when I walked out of the alley.

Nice, just nice. Ya hit him once, he pulled a knife, you made him regret it. I don't see anything in the wrong. I know from experience that bullies just need to get their asses kicked.

 

[Kinguendo]

Uhuh.

"I dont recall getting this guys age"

Alright, so here is what happened, one of my friends' younger brother has been getting bullied all year round by another grade 9 kid

"And the knife thing... he said he lunged for him so he clearly didnt hurt himself, he had the knife out and lunged. They were in an alley where this chap had just punched the kid in the face... so he had to be in arms length... This guy dodged a lunge from a knife at arms length and then had his wits about him to also break the kids arm (bearing in mind this kid has a knife so he cant be waiting around all day to "break his arm") straight after he dodges... come on."

You're assuming the size of the alley. Do you know what happens when we assume, children?

We lose any credibility we could have had.

Also, I've seen far more amazing things done by my friends. His story is completely believable within the context.

But I kinda think you're a troll, seeing as you responded to the same post twice with different answers each time.

Anywho. Due to your lack of reading comprehension, and assumptions, you have lost any credibility you had to start with, and your opinion is now irrelevant.

Good day.

Yeah, no. It is you who picks and chooses what to reveal and what not to reveal. Like, for example, the reply to one of the said multiple replies to the same post... did you look for that? NOOOOOOOO! If you did you wouldnt have opened your big mouth. I will let you go and look for it, its not my job to teach big headed idiots common decency.

And yeah, an alley can vary SOOO much in size. Once again read what I said... if you are dragging someone out into an alley you DONT place them in the centre... doesnt matter how big the alley is you put them against a wall.

So yeah, being a grade A jerk and then saying "HAHAHA! ME SAY YOU NO CREDIBLE... MUST BE THE TRUTH-NESS!" shows me you are a coward who feared the reply to your carefully structured bag of deceit. It was not I who TOOK the context and meaning out of the OP, however YOU did with my comments.

I think you will find it is I that shall be having the good day as you try to come up with a reply as to why you are such a presumptuos ass, maybe if you didnt think you had the answers you would actually have looked for them and not made yourself look like an idiot.

 

[Kinguendo]

Really? People just believe stories like this now?

Hey guys, did you hear? I took out a guy twice the size of me with a single punch, the doctors say I nearly killed him. Was that wrong of me? T_T

Did you say "Tough break, kid" after you broke his arm too?! XD

I just dont find this story to be believable at all.

What this guy said he did, isnt that unbelievable. he dragged someone smaller than him into an alley and punched him in the face, at which point, the kid pulled a knife. Here's a little secret: a knife isnt that good of a weapon, unless you really know how to use it. When you dont, using one is more likely to get yourself hurt, than anyone else.

I dont recall getting this guys age OR height. And the knife thing... he said he lunged for him so he clearly didnt hurt himself, he had the knife out and lunged. They were in an alley where this chap had just punched the kid in the face... so he had to be in arms length... This guy dodged a lunge from a knife at arms length and then had his wits about him to also break the kids arm (bearing in mind this kid has a knife so he cant be waiting around all day to "break his arm") straight after he dodges... come on.

If you have ever done self defense at all you would know this is more than possible. Even besides that he never said they he hadn't moved a bit away from the kid before the knife was pulled. Also an arm is ridiculously easy to break. It is a hinge joint hardly the most awkward thing in the world to break. We are also given the impression that he is older than the bully.

If you read my comments you would know I train in Muay Thai, see... I actually supply the information. You dont need to assume anything.

You are filling in blanks that arent necessarily there... all I am doing is seeing that he wrote that he punched the guy in the face... and taking that as it is, meaning he had to be in arms reach.

And yeah, older than this bully... but not how much older. If he is a 25 year old guy beating up a kid... now it becomes pathetic. He could be a day older than him for all we know.

 

[Kinguendo]

Well, after a hit people stagger so about two arms length, and lunge is just like a punch a shift and a palm strike to the elbow would have beaten that.

Seriously... read the other comments...

If you are going to drag someone into an alley then you put them against the wall, its just the most obvious thing in the world.

 

[Kinguendo]

How can you compare that to the situation he told us? The OP's situation could possibly happen, but you are just being ridiculous just for the sake of it.

OP: Legally, you are in the right for defending yourself, but I'm pretty sure you committed assault, and threatening endangerment to someone else is also a crime, I believe. Mentally, though, I believe, you should feel a bit wrong for doing that to someone smaller than you.

Jimmy... come on. 4k posts and you arent into the habit of getting the context yet... if you looked at the reply I got for that and the comment I gave back that would clear it all up.

 

[goatzilla8463]

You are pretty brave facing down someone with a knife. All the same, it was reckless and you should have went to the police instead.

 

[HysteriaIsFun]

You are in the wrong, legally, for attacking the kid in the first place and threatening him. You should have gone to the police or someone in authority involved from the very beginning to sort out the bullying. Whether you were in the wrong morally is a completely different question and the answer will depend on who you ask.

By dragging him into an alley and punching him when he hadn't attacked you you got involved in a situation and became the attacker.

Luckily, he was stupid enough to pull a knife on you and the rest would probably be classified as self-defence.

I should imagine he would leave your friend's brother alone. However, what will his parents think/do if they find out it was you? What would the police say? Is there evidence (or a witness) that he had a knife at the time or could he just claim that you bullied and attacked him? I'm sure someone will be questioning how his arm got broken.

You may also want to consider what would have happened had you been stabbed? What if next time some stupid little kid pulls a gun? What if this kid has a friend with a brother older than you who's going to be pissed off about this?

In the future I suggest getting an authority figure involved immediately.

 

[HysteriaIsFun]

As an after thought (if this story is in fact true) you may wish to consider the legal ramifications of posting this up for the world to see, if anything more were to develop out of this situation.

 

[The Heik]

Alright, so here is what happened, one of my friends' younger brother has been getting bullied all year round by another grade 9 kid and me and my friend have told this kid four times that if he kept bullying my friend's younger brother we were going to beat him until he cried. So here's my background with this kid... just thought it would be important to explain the situation first.

So last week-end I was at a popular local band's show with a couple of friends when I saw the kid bullying my friend's younger brother so rather than warning him a fifth time i dragged him to an alley and punched him in the face once, he got up and pulled a knife on me so I warned that if he didn't put it away he would have to drag him self out of the alley. Unfortunately the little shit ignored the warning so when he lunged at me I broke his arm and ran his face against the fence in the alley. Needless to say he was on the ground crying when I walked out of the alley.

So I was just wondering was I in the wrong to do that? and do you think the little shit will be stupid enough to bully my friend's brother again?

Edit: The more important Question is do you think he's going to bully my friend's brother again?

He pulled a knife on you, so that meant he was either out to maim you or kill you, so you're completely in the right.

Though you may have been a bit overzealous in dragging him into the alley and punching him.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Really? People just believe stories like this now?

Hey guys, did you hear? I took out a guy twice the size of me with a single punch, the doctors say I nearly killed him. Was that wrong of me? T_T

Did you say "Tough break, kid" after you broke his arm too?! XD

I just dont find this story to be believable at all.

What this guy said he did, isnt that unbelievable. he dragged someone smaller than him into an alley and punched him in the face, at which point, the kid pulled a knife. Here's a little secret: a knife isnt that good of a weapon, unless you really know how to use it. When you dont, using one is more likely to get yourself hurt, than anyone else.

I dont recall getting this guys age OR height. And the knife thing... he said he lunged for him so he clearly didnt hurt himself, he had the knife out and lunged. They were in an alley where this chap had just punched the kid in the face... so he had to be in arms length... This guy dodged a lunge from a knife at arms length and then had his wits about him to also break the kids arm (bearing in mind this kid has a knife so he cant be waiting around all day to "break his arm") straight after he dodges... come on.

If you have ever done self defense at all you would know this is more than possible. Even besides that he never said they he hadn't moved a bit away from the kid before the knife was pulled. Also an arm is ridiculously easy to break. It is a hinge joint hardly the most awkward thing in the world to break. We are also given the impression that he is older than the bully.

If you read my comments you would know I train in Muay Thai, see... I actually supply the information. You dont need to assume anything.

You are filling in blanks that arent necessarily there... all I am doing is seeing that he wrote that he punched the guy in the face... and taking that as it is, meaning he had to be in arms reach.

And yeah, older than this bully... but not how much older. If he is a 25 year old guy beating up a kid... now it becomes pathetic. He could be a day older than him for all we know.

Yes well I'm sorry Idon't have the time to read through and filter 6ish pages of comments to get to yours but all I am saying it that it is much more plausible than you made it out to be I am not saying that there aren't hole in it but it is well within the realm of the possible. You made it sound like he was talking about himself walking on water.

 

[Kinguendo]

Yes well I'm sorry Idon't have the time to read through and filter 6ish pages of comments to get to yours but all I am saying it that it is much more plausible than you made it out to be I am not saying that there aren't hole in it but it is well within the realm of the possible. You made it sound like he was talking about himself walking on water.

My comment was on the second page...

And no, no I didnt. I used the information supplied to make an accurate assessment, I didnt add anything or assume anything... I took it as it was. And it just seems like a ego boosting effort to me, since when did we stop thinking people lie on the internet?

 

[Dapsen]

This may be low content but... Yes. You were in the right.

 

[rddj623]

The main part of your question about him still picking on your friends little brother is a tough one to answer. Mostly because this fella sounds not so bright to begin with, and with violent tendencies. Maybe getting owned when he thought he was a badass will be enough to make him question his current goings on. Maybe he'll hold a grudge against the little guy for some asinine reason. I don't think he'll be doing much until his arm heals. I'd watch over the little brother close for awhile but this type of thing is usually vengeance motivated so if this guy doesn't try anything soon after his arm is healed, I'd say he probably got the message. Doesn't seem like the patient kind to me.

Also what country are you in, that will depend heavily on what all these people keep saying about the law and such. I know self defense is always justified. It seems you know what you're doing and from the way you're talking you seem to have given thought to the fact he had a knife and your abilities to combat that, which worked effectively. I just can't believe he pulled a knife on you. A brawl is a brawl until a douche comes along and tries to make it something totally different.

 

[kickyourass]

I say yes, you warned him, he did not heed the warning, and then pulled a knife on you. I'd say you were in the right.

 

[Akalistos]

First, you totally gain GOOD KARMA for that. You won't get the Goul Mask, but still.

Secondly, I wouldn't have broke his arm. The problem is, if your a adult and do that to a kid, you'll be in flame faster than wearing a Uncle Sam costume in the middle east. No matter what you said, nobody will believe your word against the word of an "Innocent child". If not, well, your home free (except if he call his friends to get back at you). Beside, where did he pull that knife? If you are an adult, or your just a bastard, here is what you do next time.

First, you can pull him in the alley. They can't prove that you pull him there to fight. Second, what you did was correct. He attack you, You broke his arm, everything! Than, What i would do is take the knife and let the kid there. Next, you call a ambulance and the cop, declaring to be assaulted by the kid (before he do it). You give the deposition to the cop, the knife, and tell them where he is. Tell them everything: He is a bully that attack your friend brother, you wanted to make it stop and he lunge at you with the knife. The print on the knife take a few weeks, but they will identify the knife as (insert bully's Name here). Now, the bully is at the hospital, they have his knife, your clear because of self-defense, and the cops will open a case on the kid. Naturally, the cops will speak to his parents which will put him in a deep sh*t. Second, if they try to sue you, you'll have a solid case and the opportunity to counter-sue them. That kid will be punish by law and since he lunge at you with a knife, that Attempted Murder which will land him.... I'll stop there.

That would have given you Good Karma, a Hero Status and get rid of that Bully for a long time.

I'm a horrible person, am I not?

Although, the kid with the knife did not start the fight, it was Smokepuddle who attacked first, so he would at least get in some trouble for that.

Not really, its his words against the kid And the kid pulled a knife. Ergo, he have proof of the attack with the knife which would give a push of credibility to his version. His version would be far more believable than the kid. Beside, it not like he wail on him afterward for a good Ten minutes, he just have a broken arm.

That a full proof plan. You don't even need a High Charisma level to pull it off. (that it! I'm taking a break from Fallout 3)

 

[Urgh76]

Alright, so here is what happened, one of my friends' younger brother has been getting bullied all year round by another grade 9 kid and me and my friend have told this kid four times that if he kept bullying my friend's younger brother we were going to beat him until he cried. So here's my background with this kid... just thought it would be important to explain the situation first.

So last week-end I was at a popular local band's show with a couple of friends when I saw the kid bullying my friend's younger brother so rather than warning him a fifth time i dragged him to an alley and punched him in the face once, he got up and pulled a knife on me so I warned that if he didn't put it away he would have to drag him self out of the alley. Unfortunately the little shit ignored the warning so when he lunged at me I broke his arm and ran his face against the fence in the alley. Needless to say he was on the ground crying when I walked out of the alley.

So I was just wondering was I in the wrong to do that? and do you think the little shit will be stupid enough to bully my friend's brother again?

Edit: The more important Question is do you think he's going to bully my friend's brother again?

BWAHAHAHA that jerk needed his ass too be kicked, son!

You're right and deserve a medal.

(he's also just that more of a coward/idiot for pulling the knife)

 

[FolkLikePanda]

Should have stabbed the little prick and classed it as self defence.

 

[OmegaXzors]

Edit: The more important Question is do you think he's going to bully my friend's brother again?

I think what you did was awesome. Don't let anyone here spray their morals on you. Kudos.

However, you could have easily just have called the police. But, a broken arm should suffice.