Ambulances start charging extra for obese patients

[Internet Kraken]

Good. Obese people are second-class citizens.

Explain.

They're lower life forms, only in existence because humanity has become too large too control all it's deformities. In emergency situations (let's say, natural disasters, terrorist attack, apocalypse, etc.) who's going to be the least capable of saving themselves? The fucker who can't run for more than half a minute and is a large, slow moving target. What can an obese person contribute besides eating all the cakes and flooding the oceans with large piles of poo? Nothing. So why will you save a sedentary waste of resources when you could use said resources to save a sick child who might one day be a useful citizen? Obese people are parasites. Cysts on the face of all humanity who aren't worth all the shit they dispense. There is no excuse for turning like that.

I have to disagree. A human is a human, no matter what they look like.

Looks are not important. I said nothing in any of my statements about looks. You either misread my post or you think obesity is a cosmetic problem. If its the latter, then you need to spend a good 2 hours reading wikipedia.

Perhaps I should have explained my stance more. I don't judge people based on their abilities. I don't think we should call some people "second class citizens" because of them (or rather, the lack of them). People should still be treated as people.

Though to be honest it's hard to argue against someone with such a clearly biased view of fat people. what exactly die they do to you that makes you hate them so much?

 

[Dr. Love]

Sorry fatso sucks to be you, you screwed yourself over, you pay for your own mistake. Been bringing my 250 lb cousin with me to Navy PT and he's lost 75 lbs in little under 6 months its not that hard

 

[Lord Mountbatten Reborn]

Wouldn't it be better to charge more for underage teenagers getting admitted into a bloody hospital ward for drinking too much (as well as the fat thing)? Granted, some might choose death but it could always make others more aware of the dangers of too much drinking (all in moderation; you don't alarm the nation).

Not to say I disagree with charging the obese more, but perhaps this should be a blanket thing, extending to the other members of society wasting the time and funds of our emergency services.

 

[USmarine0991]

I would believe it, and I would support it very fully

 

[Internet Kraken]

They did nothing. And now they expect special treatment for it. They contribute to nothing and expect everyone to feel bad for them.

Don't know what you're talking about. I've never had a fat person ask me to feel sorry for them. And to say that all fat people contribute nothing to society is just.....well, ignorant. Sorry to be so blunt, but it's true.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Wouldn't it be better to charge more for underage teenagers getting admitted into a bloody hospital ward for drinking too much (as well as the fat thing)? Granted, some might choose death but it could always make others more aware of the dangers of too much drinking (all in moderation; you don't alarm the nation).

Not to say I disagree with charging the obese more, but perhaps this should be a blanket thing, extending to the other members of society wasting the time and funds of our emergency services.

They're not charging more because fat people are a waste of our time. They're charging more because they need to buy the special equipment to help fat people. If careless teenagers needed special equipment to be taken to hospital, then the same would apply to them.

 

[Internet Kraken]

They did nothing. And now they expect special treatment for it. They contribute to nothing and expect everyone to feel bad for them.

Don't know what you're talking about. I've never had a fat person ask me to feel sorry for them. And to say that all fat people contribute nothing to society is just.....well, ignorant. Sorry to be so blunt, but it's true.

Ignorance would not be something I'd use to describe all my encounters with these abominations. But there are always exceptions to everything.

It's just that these exceptions are actually the majority. Think about it; if these "abominations", as you so kindly call them, were contributing nothing to society, then why would you ever see them? Fat people have jobs, friends, families, and all the other things you would expect the average person to have.

 

[Internet Kraken]

They did nothing. And now they expect special treatment for it. They contribute to nothing and expect everyone to feel bad for them.

Don't know what you're talking about. I've never had a fat person ask me to feel sorry for them. And to say that all fat people contribute nothing to society is just.....well, ignorant. Sorry to be so blunt, but it's true.

Ignorance would not be something I'd use to describe all my encounters with these abominations. But there are always exceptions to everything.

It's just that these exceptions are actually the majority. Think about it; if these "abominations", as you so kindly call them, were contributing nothing to society, then why would you ever see them? Fat people have jobs, friends, families, and all the other things you would expect the average person to have.

And when all those things are at stake then what will they have to offer but dead weight?

I have to admit, I don't quite understand what you are talking about. Are you suggesting a scenario in which the fat person has to fight to defend what they love? Well, I'll admit that in such a situation the fat person would probably not be capable of doing much. But then again, neither would I. Or a lot of people for that matter.

Though I probably misunderstood what you said. If that is the case, then I apologize.

 

[bluepilot]

If additional equipment is needed then it makes sense to charge more money. I do not see it as `fattist` (if there even is such a word) as such. It is just the means to an end.

Whatever `condition` someone has, you have to pay to get it fixed. Diabetics have to pay for their insulin, heart patients have to pay for their heart surgery e.t.c. So why shouldn`t overweight people pay for the equipment required to be moved?

Let`s not say people `deserve` it either. It is not nice thing to wish bad health on somebody, even when they do make bad choices.

 

[powell86]

I'm quite surprised that nobody here actually mentioned economics, namely externalities. In the case of obese people, there is indeed a social cost incurred as they require more public goods as compared to the rest of society. (it can be a simple case of building wider walkways, bigger public trains and buses etc, in this case bigger ambulances with weight lifting equipements. All of these COST MONEY)

Now the question is, who should bear this cost? Should it be the entire society at large? If that is so the simple thing is to increase taxes across the board. (those who ask the govt to suck it up or ask the airlines to simply build bigger seats without charging higher prices are just being unrealistic and STUPID and SELFISH IMO. You simply can't do this, resources don't pop up for free) Similarly to drinking and smoking, which have very high social costs, the govt has chosen to tax them directly (through tobacco and alcohol tariffs) to compensate for the direct/indirect costs they incur to society. In the case of obesity, it seems that they are going down the same path.

So the question we should be asking is, should 2/3 of non-obese people be sharing the cost incurred by obesity? Or should we practice a price discriminatary system where only those who contribute to the cost pay more?

Personally, i say tax the hell out of these fat people. It is a fact that they do use MORE, so at least have the balls to suck the price instead of expecting other people to wipe ur arse after you shit. This has no implication on whether you are fat due to genetics or wad not. It is a FACT that you use up more resources, but you are entitled to your opinions on whether you deserved to be charged more or not.

Now i'm sure that some people will say that then thin people should be charged less. The fact is i'm actually part of the thin brigade (weiging 100 lbs 23 year old male), but we must consider the fact that there is an optimal size that is required by society. So in equality, we should be paying the same as a normal person. That being said so, obese ones who requires more than the optimal size should hence need to be charged more.

Ok next, I've read above where some people are scared it's gonna be a slippery slope arguement and pregnant women and perhaps even disabled people will be taxed more eventially.

Answer is NO. Think logically, pregnant women are actually providing added social benefits (due to the infertility rates) and hence govt are more likely to give benefits to them (which is actually happening in most part of the developed world, tax incentives for kids, monetary payouts and what not). On the other hand, society has deemed it alright to absorb the costs of disabled people OUT OF KINDNESS and MORALITY. So there we haf it. Fat people who think they deserve this kindness should seriously gtfo.

 

[maxturbo211]

are they genetically fat or is it self-induced?

Is there even such a thing as genetically fat? Were there genetically fat people in medieval times? Ancient Egypt? Stone age? Must be a genetic change induced by WOII chemicals...

Nah, have the fatties pay for their ride. I've heard reports of people trying to run cars on human fat. Maybe that's an idea.

hmm, well lets see, i know (a friend) someone who eats just as much like a pig as me, has the same habits as me (computer all the time, not much physical activity) and yet i'm skinny as a rail and he's pushing 300 pounds. Genetics decide how your body stores fat. i'm not saying genetically fat people get HUGE like SOME people around here, but if you're a large person and your parents are large people then chances are you got your fat-storage characteristics from them. i hope your single-mindedness can be changed by the knowledge that there's different body types which store fat in different and sometimes more obvious areas due to evolutionary changes to adapt to environments. not ALL humans store fat the same way, stop being such a duche.

 

[LostintheWick]

It looks like if this thread were a poll, the people who support this law/rule would be in the majority. A bit ironic, maybe? I would think that our conventional wisdom would point to our demographic (gamers "hardcore" enough to be surfing the forums of site like this) as one that is more prone to obesity.

Either this contradicts that conventional wisdom (we aren't so fat after all) or shows that we feel accountable for our actions. That's good *thumbs up*

Then again, there are probably few other conclusions that could be drawn...

 

[Bobzer77]

I'm quite surprised that nobody here actually mentioned economics, namely externalities. In the case of obese people, there is indeed a social cost incurred as they require more public goods as compared to the rest of society. (it can be a simple case of building wider walkways, bigger public trains and buses etc, in this case bigger ambulances with weight lifting equipements. All of these COST MONEY)

Now the question is, who should bear this cost? Should it be the entire society at large? If that is so the simple thing is to increase taxes across the board. (those who ask the govt to suck it up or ask the airlines to simply build bigger seats without charging higher prices are just being unrealistic and STUPID and SELFISH IMO. You simply can't do this, resources don't pop up for free) Similarly to drinking and smoking, which have very high social costs, the govt has chosen to tax them directly (through tobacco and alcohol tariffs) to compensate for the direct/indirect costs they incur to society. In the case of obesity, it seems that they are going down the same path.

So the question we should be asking is, should 2/3 of non-obese people be sharing the cost incurred by obesity? Or should we practice a price discriminatary system where only those who contribute to the cost pay more?

Personally, i say tax the hell out of these fat people. It is a fact that they do use MORE, so at least have the balls to suck the price instead of expecting other people to wipe ur arse after you shit. This has no implication on whether you are fat due to genetics or wad not. It is a FACT that you use up more resources, but you are entitled to your opinions on whether you deserved to be charged more or not.

Now i'm sure that some people will say that then thin people should be charged less. The fact is i'm actually part of the thin brigade (weiging 100 lbs 23 year old male), but we must consider the fact that there is an optimal size that is required by society. So in equality, we should be paying the same as a normal person. That being said so, obese ones who requires more than the optimal size should hence need to be charged more.

Ok next, I've read above where some people are scared it's gonna be a slippery slope arguement and pregnant women and perhaps even disabled people will be taxed more eventially.

Answer is NO. Think logically, pregnant women are actually providing added social benefits (due to the infertility rates) and hence govt are more likely to give benefits to them (which is actually happening in most part of the developed world, tax incentives for kids, monetary payouts and what not). On the other hand, society has deemed it alright to absorb the costs of disabled people OUT OF KINDNESS and MORALITY. So there we haf it. Fat people who think they deserve this kindness should seriously gtfo.

When are you going for parliament? I'm voting for you.