American bill will allow the government to censor Internet domains.

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Scout Tactical

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I already spelled this out for you, but I guess I'm going to have to do it again.

Ribonuge said:
So then I posted this from the article, showing that Viacom argued copyrighted material is central to the activity of YouTube (Note:Argued).
Yep. You can argue anything, so I don't know why you're sticking to this argument so stubbornly. People argue in court that spilling coffee on themselves caused mental distress, or that it is negligence of a house owner if a man breaking into the house falls and cuts himself on a discarded knife. Both of those are real court cases. So what? The only thing that matters is the ruling, and the precedent it sets.

Ribonuge said:
Do you understand why you were wrong now? You and Viacom have differing opinions. I have nothing to do with this and neither does my reading acumen.
This doesn't prove anything at all. Viacom can say whatever they want. Neither of our opinions matters. I have no opinion. The opinion that I stated, and follow, is the US judiciary's opinion. Viacom argued with the judiciary, they were told to go home.

Ribonuge said:
This is not current. This bill has not yet been passed, but it could be. If it is then the US may not believe sites like Youtube are acceptable anymore.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the United States works, which is a shame, because the whole 'separation of powers' thing is pretty central to our government.

The legislature passing a new bill about punishing copyright violators will not change the judiciary's mind about who violators are. The judiciary is more likely to look at existing precedent, e.g.: the case in the cited article. The legislature and judiciary are completely different governing bodies, and it is the judiciary who gets to decide who violators are, not Congress (explicitly so, as Congress can make no law that directly punishes a specific entity, company or otherwise, so they essentially can't say "YouTube is a violator").

But even if you don't buy that argument, you're still forgetting that all of this hinges not on the bill itself, but whether or not the court system changes its mind about the past rulings, so you should be writing your judges, not your congressmen. That's why I said this:

Unless what you're getting at is that if this law is passed and a lot of Viacom employees are appointed to become Federal justices of the law we'll be in trouble, then I don't see your point.
I noticed you specifically didn't reply to this particular remark. Probably because you didn't realize it's the judiciary system that decides cases, rather than the legislature, which makes laws.

But it's okay. I forgive you. Not everyone can understand US law.
 

Ham_authority95

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Cynical skeptic said:
Ham_authority95 said:
And let the "AAAHHHHHH WE'RE TURNING INTO A DICTATORSHIP GAME OVER MAN GAME OVER!!!" comments flow in...

But seriously, there are retarded proposals like this all the damn time(Does anyone remember ACTA?)And all of them are swatted down like an annoying flies.

This one won't be any different.
Uh, ACTA didn't go away. They're still finalizing the treaty and according to the most recent update, were shooting for ratification on the 30th. Tomorrow.

This bill passing into law would be the US obeying ACTA.
Yeah yeah yeah....so fucking what? I'm not afraid of an idiotic treaty that no one will care to enforce.
 

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boyvirgo666 said:
Ham_authority95 said:
And let the "AAAHHHHHH WE'RE TURNING INTO A DICTATORSHIP GAME OVER MAN GAME OVER!!!" comments flow in...

But seriously, there are retarded proposals like this all the damn time(Does anyone remember ACTA?)And all of them are swatted down like an annoying flies.

This one won't be any different.
thats not the point. the point is these bills actually make it onto the judiciary committees plate. this shoudnt even have made it on paper before someone actually thought 'hey this might be illegal'.
Politicians don't always care about what's legal. So what else is new?
 

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Cynical skeptic said:
Abanic said:
Doctor What said:
Just when I think that the tea party is crazy when they talk about our freedoms being taken away, shit like this happens.
I think that it's funny when a group of Americans gets together and complains about their rights being taken away and that they want their country back, that the knee-jerk reaction is to think of those people as crazy.
The problem is those people are crazy. They, essentially do nothing but regurgitate whatever is on fox news.

Hence, they're silent on this, as ACTA and by extension, this, were pushed into existence by media conglomerates such as newscorp.
You're "regurgitating" something from the Huffington Post, and yet you complain about Tea Party members "regurgitating" from Fox News? Sounds like the only difference is the source of the "regurgitation". I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, or if you truly are that hypocritical.
 

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Plurralbles said:
Abanic said:
The COICA bill is referred to as S.3804 and is sponsored by Sen. Patrick Leahy [D-VT]

The bill's Cosponsors are:
Lamar Alexander [R-TN]
Evan Bayh [D-IN]
Benjamin Cardin [D-MD]
Thomas Coburn [R-OK]
Richard Durbin [D-IL]
Dianne Feinstein [D-CA]
Lindsey Graham [R-SC]
Charles Grassley [R-IA]
Orrin Hatch [R-UT]
Amy Klobuchar [D-MN]
Herbert Kohl [D-WI]
Charles Schumer [D-NY]
Arlen Specter [D-PA]
George Voinovich [R-OH]
Sheldon Whitehouse [D-RI]
God damnit... GOD FREAKIN' damnit.

Freakin'g George Voinovich... my own state's man... What a piece of shit... I'm writing a letter.
Indeed. One of my Senators is on that list. Glad I didn't vote for him last time his ballot came up.
Hmmph. Time for some pointless correspondence...
 
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Ham_authority95 said:
And let the "AAAHHHHHH WE'RE TURNING INTO A DICTATORSHIP GAME OVER MAN GAME OVER!!!" comments flow in...

But seriously, there are retarded proposals like this all the damn time(Does anyone remember ACTA?)And all of them are swatted down like an annoying flies.

This one won't be any different.
Well, the problem with ACTA was that they weren't willing to let the public know about the the contents of the agreement. We only found out because it was leaked. Fortunately, it was revised several times so it's not as bad as previously thought.

But, this..won't help at all. People will still find ways around it.
 

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superbatranger said:
Ham_authority95 said:
And let the "AAAHHHHHH WE'RE TURNING INTO A DICTATORSHIP GAME OVER MAN GAME OVER!!!" comments flow in...

But seriously, there are retarded proposals like this all the damn time(Does anyone remember ACTA?)And all of them are swatted down like an annoying flies.

This one won't be any different.
Well, the problem with ACTA was that they weren't willing to let the public know about the the contents of the agreement. We only found out because it was leaked. Fortunately, it was revised several times so it's not as bad as previously thought.

But, this..won't help at all. People will still find ways around it.
I don't get the deal with anti-copyright laws anyway...aren't all these free images on the internet free publicity for the companies?
 
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Ham_authority95 said:
superbatranger said:
Ham_authority95 said:
And let the "AAAHHHHHH WE'RE TURNING INTO A DICTATORSHIP GAME OVER MAN GAME OVER!!!" comments flow in...

But seriously, there are retarded proposals like this all the damn time(Does anyone remember ACTA?)And all of them are swatted down like an annoying flies.

This one won't be any different.
Well, the problem with ACTA was that they weren't willing to let the public know about the the contents of the agreement. We only found out because it was leaked. Fortunately, it was revised several times so it's not as bad as previously thought.

But, this..won't help at all. People will still find ways around it.
I don't get the deal with anti-copyright laws anyway...aren't all these free images on the internet free publicity for the companies?
Wait, wouldn't it be pro-copyright laws?
 

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Ham_authority95 said:
boyvirgo666 said:
Ham_authority95 said:
And let the "AAAHHHHHH WE'RE TURNING INTO A DICTATORSHIP GAME OVER MAN GAME OVER!!!" comments flow in...

But seriously, there are retarded proposals like this all the damn time(Does anyone remember ACTA?)And all of them are swatted down like an annoying flies.

This one won't be any different.
thats not the point. the point is these bills actually make it onto the judiciary committees plate. this shoudnt even have made it on paper before someone actually thought 'hey this might be illegal'.
Politicians don't always care about what's legal. So what else is new?
A man isnt allowed to dream about a perfect world? ::goes to cry about no cake trees::
 

trophykiller

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and as we can tell, the world is becoming less and less free, and contitutions of many nations across the globe are currently getting raped. god i can't wait for z-day.
 

Plurralbles

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Atmos Duality said:
Plurralbles said:
Abanic said:
The COICA bill is referred to as S.3804 and is sponsored by Sen. Patrick Leahy [D-VT]

The bill's Cosponsors are:
Lamar Alexander [R-TN]
Evan Bayh [D-IN]
Benjamin Cardin [D-MD]
Thomas Coburn [R-OK]
Richard Durbin [D-IL]
Dianne Feinstein [D-CA]
Lindsey Graham [R-SC]
Charles Grassley [R-IA]
Orrin Hatch [R-UT]
Amy Klobuchar [D-MN]
Herbert Kohl [D-WI]
Charles Schumer [D-NY]
Arlen Specter [D-PA]
George Voinovich [R-OH]
Sheldon Whitehouse [D-RI]
God damnit... GOD FREAKIN' damnit.

Freakin'g George Voinovich... my own state's man... What a piece of shit... I'm writing a letter.
Indeed. One of my Senators is on that list. Glad I didn't vote for him last time his ballot came up.
Hmmph. Time for some pointless correspondence...
well, I did get 20 of my friends to black list him too... So that's something...
 

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squballs1234 said:
lol im from Canada..i don't care all that much.
From what I can tell this is going to effect us Canadians as much as it is Americans.

OT: I have signed the Petition, I hope this bill does not pass.
 

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Abanic said:
You're "regurgitating" something from the Huffington Post, and yet you complain about Tea Party members "regurgitating" from Fox News? Sounds like the only difference is the source of the "regurgitation". I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, or if you truly are that hypocritical.
Whats the huffington post?
Ham_authority95 said:
Yeah yeah yeah....so fucking what? I'm not afraid of an idiotic treaty that no one will care to enforce.
... okay, then why does this bill exist, if not to prove the US is ready, willing, and able to abide by and enforce ACTA?
 

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The problem is that Joe "Average" American seems to be more content today with letting the government regulate things THE PEOPLE should be regulating. Sure, there are maybe one or two things that the government should have a little more say in, but people want the government to be in control of trivial things so they don't have to think or take responsibility. A company should take care of copyright infringement of their products, not the government! Parents should be responsible for buying Mature games, not the government!

People ***** about the government getting more and more power, but that's because "average citizens" (see: morons) are demanding the government do more. Then "real americans" (see also: morons) complain the government is taking this new power by force, and they use this as a campaign ground to get into office to pass their own self-serving laws! Even the few people who KNOW this is a bad idea will have their voices drowned out by the "people" (see once again: morons) crying out praise for this act. And then those few people will seem like idiots because "patriots" (synonyms include: morons) are going completely bat-shit crazy opposing this law, but not for the reason the reasonable people are, but to further their own agendas.
 

Racecarlock

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Orrin Hatch. Why do I live in utah? Why couldn't I live in switzerland or amsterdam? Or on a brazilian nude beach?
 

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Racecarlock said:
Orrin Hatch. Why do I live in utah? Why couldn't I live in switzerland or amsterdam? Or on a brazilian nude beach?
Remember, this is the same Orrin Hatch that wanted to blow up people's PCs for piracy. He also downloaded a song in Congress while the DMCA was being negotiated. And instead of being sued for the song download, he claims that fair use protected him...

And yet, when people are using fair use (Tenenbaum) as a defense, the courts damn near reject it.

How hypocritical can politicians be?