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America: Do you have any rivalries between states/ geographic factors? In England we have quite a big North/South divide, for example, and wondered if something similar occurred over in the US
It depends on where, actually. There's some pretty epic feuding between the states of Michigan and Ohio, which actually started over a land dispute when they joined the Union. I'm sure there's others, but I haven't been exposed to them sufficiently to recall offhand.

In addition, there's a number of stereotypes for people from any major region of the country. For example, San Franciscans are gay, Alabamans have 3 teeth and fuck their sisters, and anyone from New York is a colossal douche. I'm not really sure it counts as a "rivalry" per se, but there's so many different cultures in the US that stereotypes have arisen to cover just about all of them, and everyone knows them.
Is it mostly friendly banter, or is tehre some actual hatred among the regions?

Also, what do you mean when you say "joined the union"? Is that a local colloquialism?
It's a reference to joining the United States of America, which is often referred to collectively as "the Union." After the original 13 British colonies formed the original United States after the Revolutionary War, other territories on the North American continent were admitted to the United Sates as a new State. That's what's called "joining the Union." Michigan and Ohio weren't among the original 13 States. They joined the Union afterward.

There can be violent geographic rivalries ("beef" may be a better word), most often gang-fuelrd. During the 1990s, there was a long-lasting East Coast-West Coast beef centered in New York City and Los Angeles, respectively. A lotta people were killed as part of that beef, which didn't really end until both Tupac Shakur and Notorious BIG were killed.
Thank you for that =). I'm so culturally ignorant, it's nice to learn :D.
Here's some "culture" for ya then:

What's beef? Beef is when you need two gats to go to sleep
Beef is when your Moms ain't safe up in the streets
Beef is when I see you, guaranteed to be in ICU, one more time
What's beef? Beef is when you make your enemies start their Jeep
Beef is when you roll no less than thirty deep
Beef is when I see you, guaranteed to be in ICU, check it

"What's Beef?" -- Notorious BIG aka Biggie Smalls aka The Black Frank White

Brooklyn, Baby!! aka Crooklyn aka Bed-Stuy-Do-or-Die
 

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I don't particularly care what I'm called, as long as the distinction is made.
And I don't care what you call me as long as your check don't bounce. But if your check bounces, then we definitely got a problem. : P
 

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To Americans: when you see a mixed-race person of Afro-Caribbean/White European descent, do you class them as mixed race, or black?

I ask this because as a mixed race person myself, I've noticed that a lot of Americans don't seem to recognise it as an identity in it's own right; they are more likely to class that person according to what they physically resemble the most, i.e. tanned skin and coarse dark hair = black. This is really putting me off moving to America as I'm worried that I'm going to be given a new identity that I can't relate to.
Famed African American poet Langston Hughes said "You see, unfortunately, I am not black. There are lots of different kinds of blood in our family. But here in the United States, the word 'Negro' is used to mean anyone who has any Negro blood at all in his veins. In Africa, the word is more pure. It means all Negro, therefore black. I am brown"

In the United States we don't really believe in multiple races for one person. We go off of a "you look it you are it", part of our one-drop rule. Long story.
Back in the day the South had slavery. And on top of kidnapping, murdering and selling the children of their slaves they also raped the female slaves, very frequently. As a result there were a lot of 50/50 kids. These 50/50 kids would not be freed by their white fathers and would stay in servitude. Culturally, black slaves saw these 50/50 children as black since they stayed with their mother and grew up withing the black community, and these 50/50 kids were not seen as white because they did not grow up with their white father and live in their culture (mild speculation on my part). Since race was the justification of slavery, and owner's didn't want to free their profitable and sell able 50/50 offspring the laws were made say that any person with any black ancestry of any percentage (or extremely low in some states) was to be officially recognized as black, and thus a slave. These 50/50 kids might have been mildly resented withing the black slave community at the time (speculation on my part) but then those children would grow up and be raped by their owners or would marry a fellow black or partially black slave, resulting in a child that could have any mix of white and black. When combined with the fact that plantation owners not wanting to admit who their children were, slave mothers not wanting to talk about the father, children being sold away while extremely young and few birth records of slaves means that it is extremely hard for slaves to know their true racial makeup. Long story short, by the time the Civil War was over just about every slave had at least some percentage of white in them, but slaves, white people and the law did not care. When Jim Crow laws began to take effect the old laws about having "one-drop" was used to make sure that people with any percentage of black were discriminated against. If one had even a little bit of black in them they were considered black and were treated as such, legally and culturally by both African Americans and whites.
Notable examples include Frederick Douglas who states in his biography that his master was also his father and as such is 50% white and 50% black. Actually, I take that back, he never had much communication with his mom, who for all I know could have been 80% black 20% white or something else. So there is a chance that Frederick Douglas is more white than black.
Tiger Woods is the most extreme example. He is 1/4 black, 1/8 white (Dutch), 1/8 Native American and 1/2 Asian. So yea, he is twice as Asian as he is black. But since Americans use "you look it you are it" they see that black is his most visible trait and declare him black.
President Obama is another example. He is rare in that we know for sure that he is exactly 50% white and 50% black. Note that he is considered black despite this, and that his skin tone is very similar to that of other African Americans in America.
My Colombian dad says that it is weird how Americans view race. In Colombia they had slavery, but there was far less interracial mixing and as such their Afrian-Colombian population has very little white in it. But if an Afro-Colombian marries a white Colombian the child is considered Mulatto because there is a clear distinction between the black, white and mixed. Oddly, they have a reverse one-drop rule on top of that. If you have a small amount of white in you than you are considered white (while still also being Mulatto). My dad will turn on news and be confused when they refer to black people to which he responds "what are they hiding behind the white people?"

To answer your question. On paper you will be considered mixed (have to look up the specifics per state but modern laws are more logical), but to virtually every American you will be considered 100% black. If you try to say that you are Afro-Caribbean/White European you will just be wasting your time because the concept of mixed races is just something that we culturally do not use or that we care about. As for your African ancestry being from the Caribbean, that is something Americans will take note of and possible find cool. If you have a trace of a Jamaican/Haitian/Dominican Republic accent (but I assume you are living in Britian right now so how would I know) they might find that interesting little factoid to know about but of little real consequence.

But don't British people use the same you-look-it-you-are-it thought process when you just look at someone that we Americans use? Do British people use the terms Mulatto, Chicano (part Hispanic part white), etc or is it an all or nothing?
Chicano doesn't mean "part Hispanic part white." It means you were born in the United States of Mexican parents. Usually it refers to Californians. There's another term for Texans of Mexican descent: Tejano (pronounced tay-ha-no).
You are correct, my bad, I was thinking of Cholo (1/4 White and 3/4 Native American)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta
I completely forgot to reply to this, sorry. Thank you for your response! It was actually the Obama campaign that made me start worrying about it in the first place; I couldn't understand why he was being referred to as black when (in my eyes) he was clearly mixed. I also read a few articles claiming that he wasn't African American because of his specific background, which confused me even more as I didn't know that some people only class African Americans as those descended from slaves brought to America.

To answer your question: we do recognise and refer to mixed people as being such, although the specific term used will vary from person to person. I get called "half-caste" a lot (which is considered offensive in a lot of circles, but there's no real consensus of opinion on that either), whereas I refer to myself as mixed race. I believe the PC term is now "dual heritage". I don't particularly care what I'm called, as long as the distinction is made.
brownstudies said:
endplanets said:
JDKJ said:
endplanets said:
brownstudies said:
To Americans: when you see a mixed-race person of Afro-Caribbean/White European descent, do you class them as mixed race, or black?

I ask this because as a mixed race person myself, I've noticed that a lot of Americans don't seem to recognise it as an identity in it's own right; they are more likely to class that person according to what they physically resemble the most, i.e. tanned skin and coarse dark hair = black. This is really putting me off moving to America as I'm worried that I'm going to be given a new identity that I can't relate to.
Famed African American poet Langston Hughes said "You see, unfortunately, I am not black. There are lots of different kinds of blood in our family. But here in the United States, the word 'Negro' is used to mean anyone who has any Negro blood at all in his veins. In Africa, the word is more pure. It means all Negro, therefore black. I am brown"

In the United States we don't really believe in multiple races for one person. We go off of a "you look it you are it", part of our one-drop rule. Long story.
Back in the day the South had slavery. And on top of kidnapping, murdering and selling the children of their slaves they also raped the female slaves, very frequently. As a result there were a lot of 50/50 kids. These 50/50 kids would not be freed by their white fathers and would stay in servitude. Culturally, black slaves saw these 50/50 children as black since they stayed with their mother and grew up withing the black community, and these 50/50 kids were not seen as white because they did not grow up with their white father and live in their culture (mild speculation on my part). Since race was the justification of slavery, and owner's didn't want to free their profitable and sell able 50/50 offspring the laws were made say that any person with any black ancestry of any percentage (or extremely low in some states) was to be officially recognized as black, and thus a slave. These 50/50 kids might have been mildly resented withing the black slave community at the time (speculation on my part) but then those children would grow up and be raped by their owners or would marry a fellow black or partially black slave, resulting in a child that could have any mix of white and black. When combined with the fact that plantation owners not wanting to admit who their children were, slave mothers not wanting to talk about the father, children being sold away while extremely young and few birth records of slaves means that it is extremely hard for slaves to know their true racial makeup. Long story short, by the time the Civil War was over just about every slave had at least some percentage of white in them, but slaves, white people and the law did not care. When Jim Crow laws began to take effect the old laws about having "one-drop" was used to make sure that people with any percentage of black were discriminated against. If one had even a little bit of black in them they were considered black and were treated as such, legally and culturally by both African Americans and whites.
Notable examples include Frederick Douglas who states in his biography that his master was also his father and as such is 50% white and 50% black. Actually, I take that back, he never had much communication with his mom, who for all I know could have been 80% black 20% white or something else. So there is a chance that Frederick Douglas is more white than black.
Tiger Woods is the most extreme example. He is 1/4 black, 1/8 white (Dutch), 1/8 Native American and 1/2 Asian. So yea, he is twice as Asian as he is black. But since Americans use "you look it you are it" they see that black is his most visible trait and declare him black.
President Obama is another example. He is rare in that we know for sure that he is exactly 50% white and 50% black. Note that he is considered black despite this, and that his skin tone is very similar to that of other African Americans in America.
My Colombian dad says that it is weird how Americans view race. In Colombia they had slavery, but there was far less interracial mixing and as such their Afrian-Colombian population has very little white in it. But if an Afro-Colombian marries a white Colombian the child is considered Mulatto because there is a clear distinction between the black, white and mixed. Oddly, they have a reverse one-drop rule on top of that. If you have a small amount of white in you than you are considered white (while still also being Mulatto). My dad will turn on news and be confused when they refer to black people to which he responds "what are they hiding behind the white people?"

To answer your question. On paper you will be considered mixed (have to look up the specifics per state but modern laws are more logical), but to virtually every American you will be considered 100% black. If you try to say that you are Afro-Caribbean/White European you will just be wasting your time because the concept of mixed races is just something that we culturally do not use or that we care about. As for your African ancestry being from the Caribbean, that is something Americans will take note of and possible find cool. If you have a trace of a Jamaican/Haitian/Dominican Republic accent (but I assume you are living in Britian right now so how would I know) they might find that interesting little factoid to know about but of little real consequence.

But don't British people use the same you-look-it-you-are-it thought process when you just look at someone that we Americans use? Do British people use the terms Mulatto, Chicano (part Hispanic part white), etc or is it an all or nothing?
Chicano doesn't mean "part Hispanic part white." It means you were born in the United States of Mexican parents. Usually it refers to Californians. There's another term for Texans of Mexican descent: Tejano (pronounced tay-ha-no).
You are correct, my bad, I was thinking of Cholo (1/4 White and 3/4 Native American)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta
I completely forgot to reply to this, sorry. Thank you for your response! It was actually the Obama campaign that made me start worrying about it in the first place; I couldn't understand why he was being referred to as black when (in my eyes) he was clearly mixed. I also read a few articles claiming that he wasn't African American because of his specific background, which confused me even more as I didn't know that some people only class African Americans as those descended from slaves brought to America.

To answer your question: we do recognise and refer to mixed people as being such, although the specific term used will vary from person to person. I get called "half-caste" a lot (which is considered offensive in a lot of circles, but there's no real consensus of opinion on that either), whereas I refer to myself as mixed race. I believe the PC term is now "dual heritage". I don't particularly care what I'm called, as long as the distinction is made.
The equivalent term for half-caste in the Hispanic system (that they invented during the colonization of the new world) would be Mulatto.
There does seem to be some kind of weird thing going on with the definition of African-American in the USA right now. There are some African-Americans who think that only former slaves count compared to immigrants (the logic being that former slaves suffered under very harsh circumstances where as new immigrants have not). Then there is a more bizarre definition that it only applies to black people who live in black communities and in a certain income level and since Obama was he was raised by a white woman in a non-black area there are a few people who say that as a result he is not African American, which makes no sense to me because by that same logic Eminem would be 100% black.
And this is not getting into the fact that African-American should just mean that one is from Africa. I had a friend whose parents were from Egypt so we would always call him African American. There was also a reporter (I think he was British) that would call the very white (born in Zimbabwe) wife of John Kerry an African-American as a joke.
 

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To Americans, do you guys actually understand the stereotypical, dry, British humour? I know a lot of Americans are actually pretty smart, I just wonder if this is a stereotype with basis or not.

The gun culture...having just been to the Gun Store in Vegas and talking to the ex-military lady instructor, I'm changing my mind about guns. I can see why people would like to have a gun, for safety. My question is, then, would you guys prefer to be in a gun-happy country where anyone (that hasn't been institutionalised) can have a gun, or one like the UK where the threat of gun crime/danger is smaller (on a scaled down basis, obviously. Illegal guns still exist here)?

And my final question...does anyone actually think that Two and Half Men and Everybody Loves Raymond are funny???
For my part, I do...it just doesn't amuse me. Personal tastes I guess.

Europeans usually fail to consider the other reasons for our 2nd Amendment. It was specifically put in place to ensure that the population could arm itself in the case of a tyrannical takeover and revolt. Other reasons included repelling invasions and self-defense.

I suppose I must think about that. On the one hand, liberal access to guns is dangerous. On the other, invading a country of 300 million people where guns are widely available and a significant portion of the adult population is armed and given basic training in gun use sounds...horrible.

And to that last, I haven't seen either of those shows. Well, ELR I haven't seen since I was like...12.
Like most knives, the right to bear arms can cut both ways. There are more than a few gun-toting crazies in Arizona and Texas along the U.S.-Mexico border who have decided that they're being invaded by illegal immigrants and therefore have a right to shoot those illegal immigrants -- even though the immigrants aren't armed or threatening.

Perhaps that's why the Second speaks of "a well regulated militia" being necessary to the security of a free State and not "a bunch of loony hick ranchers taking the law into their own hands."
I agree completely!
 

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I've been vaguely toying with the idea of moving to the US for a bit and finding work. Not sure why, but seems like it would be an interesting experience.

Would there be any place in particular you guys would recommended looking at, and what general advice would you give to a clueless Englishman who is unknowing of your outlandish Yank customs :p
1: 20MPG is considered good. 15MPG is acceptable. 30MPG is exceptional. If you want more than that you're going to have to import it.

2: The roads will seem huge.

3: Parallell parking is a rarity

4: So are roundabouts. I've only seen one in my 21 years of existing. We call them town squares since that's usually where they're found, and they rarely exceed one lane wide. Mine has a parking area where the island would normally be.

5: A small car is a deathtrap. Idiots abound, and they drive enormous SUVs very poorly. You are advised to get something with some heft to it.

6: Manual transmissions are a rarity. I insist on manuals myself, but this means my selection in cars is quite stunted. I all but have to buy used these days, as even Japan is starting to go automatic only on their lines.

7: Because of 6, a car with a manual does not need any sort of anti-theft equipment. A thief won't be able to drive it, so usually they pass it right up. If not, they'll merely boost your radio. So I advise seeking one out.

8: You will NOT find a rental car with a manual. Don't even bother asking.

9: If you want a burger, pick a direction and go. You'll hit a burger joint within 5 minutes walking distance in any city. However if you want truly healthy food you're going to have to make it yourself or pay quite a bit.

10: Our customs are quite lax indeed. Pretty much as long as you're not nude and you're not swearing at everyone on the street(Though in some places this is even acceptable), you're good.

11: Turn signals are optional. Nobody ever gets ticketed for them, nobody ever uses them, and from what I've seen, nobody even understands them.

12: Zipper merging does not work. Plain as that. You're advised to choose the lane that takes you where you need to go at least a mile before you get to the split.

13: Stop signs are very commonplace.

14: Stopping at those signs seems optional, too. Most people use a California stop, where you come down to three or four MPH and roll through unless there's oncoming traffic. Cops do this too, but they do ticket for it on occasion.

15: Car insurance makes a hell of a lot more sense. They base how much it costs on A: Your driving record, B: How likely your car is to get written off, and C: How greedy the CEO is at any one time. They don't care about engine displacement or any of that nonsense. It costs me less to insure my 4.9L pickup truck than it would to insure me on a Civic SI because of this, while the truck may seem like it does more damage, it's worth a hell of a lot less and it's far less likely to end up embedded in a bridge pier. So, they pay out less when it's written off, so they charge less to insure it in the first place.

16: Liability insurance is mandatory, comprehensive is not.

17: The management sucks. They're irresponsible, greedy douchebags that are out to line their pockets and fuck the rest of us over.

18: That being said, people will defend their favorite irresponsible, greedy douchebag to the death it seems, so I advise just staying the hell out of politics entirely.

19: See that guy over there? There's an 80% change he's packing. Concealed carry permits are stupidly easy to get, and anyone with enough dough and no felonies can walk into a gun shop and get a gun. That being said, guns are actually quite fun to shoot, so it may be worth heading down to a gun shop that has a range and trying it out. You may enjoy it.

20: The TSA is going to invade your privacy if you want to fly anywhere. Keep this in mind should you decide to go back to Britain.

21: Public transport blows. You NEED your own wheels. Motorcycles are acceptable, but some sort of car is preferred.

22: Getting a license is easy. That's why so many morons are slinging enormous SUVs down the road with reckless abandon.

23: We do get Top Gear, BTCC and Formula 1. TG can be found on BBC America if you don't mind a version butchered to fit with our commercial spam(I use Finalgear.com to get the proper BBC airings), and BTCC/F1 show up on Speed channel. So you're not going to have any trouble finding decent TV.

Have fun!
The thing you need to realize, though, is that much of this varies by area. I recently moved from Boston, which developed relatively organically, to San Diego, which has grown significantly more since the advent of the automobile, and here are some of the above points where I noticed a difference or otherwise have something to add.
2) Roads are a lot bigger in California, for the most part. A lot of non-highway roads in the Boston suburbs try to get away with one or two lanes each way. In San Diego, it feels like all the roads are at least two lanes if not three lanes wide, and many of them have speed limits upward of 35MPH. (Compare to a residential standard of 30MPH back east...) Of course, the speed limit is more like a recommended speed around here, but...

3) Parallel parking is a must if you live in some places. Cambridge, for example, has lots of places where the only parking is street parking, which is always parallel. Parallel parking goes away when the required parking space becomes large enough that you need to pack more cars in than will fit in one lane on the side of the road.

4) Roundabouts are called "rotaries" in Boston. They're not as prevalent as in Britain, but they're not unused. I have no idea where this thing about the town square being a rotary came from.

5) Families with kids will almost always have at least one large van. With gas prices going up the way they are, I have a feeling a new disincentive to have an SUV in the city will be added to the inability to find parking.

11) I hope like hell this weren't true, but it often seems true. It's safe to say that about 1/3 of drivers use turn signals correctly, or perhaps all drivers use them 1/3 of the time. (Let's split the difference and say half the drivers use them 2/3 of the time.)

12) Merging works when a lane ends. Getting over a lane is largely an exercise in hoping that someone in the next lane over wants to move over, too, if you're in heavy traffic.

14) This depends -- but New Yorkers (like my grandparents) call it a "New York" stop, and my dad complains that Boston drivers make a fine art out of running red lights.

22) A driver's license is also the standard and most trusted source of photo ID. (It's also one of the few ones with your signature on it.)

Also, a question for everyone: Who all do you think qualifies as a "Yank"? I've met a few people who take offense at including anyone who's not a New Yorker or New Englander in that. (And I may have met someone who said it was only New Yorkers.)
 

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Also, a question for everyone: Who all do you think qualifies as a "Yank"? I've met a few people who take offense at including anyone who's not a New Yorker or New Englander in that. (And I may have met someone who said it was only New Yorkers.)
Being from the south, I would say that anyone who lives in a state was part of the union during the civil war is a Yankee. But we (including me) just use it as a joke these days, seeing as how we don't like slavery anymore either.
 

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endplanets said:
brownstudies said:
endplanets said:
JDKJ said:
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brownstudies said:
To Americans: when you see a mixed-race person of Afro-Caribbean/White European descent, do you class them as mixed race, or black?

I ask this because as a mixed race person myself, I've noticed that a lot of Americans don't seem to recognise it as an identity in it's own right; they are more likely to class that person according to what they physically resemble the most, i.e. tanned skin and coarse dark hair = black. This is really putting me off moving to America as I'm worried that I'm going to be given a new identity that I can't relate to.
Famed African American poet Langston Hughes said "You see, unfortunately, I am not black. There are lots of different kinds of blood in our family. But here in the United States, the word 'Negro' is used to mean anyone who has any Negro blood at all in his veins. In Africa, the word is more pure. It means all Negro, therefore black. I am brown"

In the United States we don't really believe in multiple races for one person. We go off of a "you look it you are it", part of our one-drop rule. Long story.
Back in the day the South had slavery. And on top of kidnapping, murdering and selling the children of their slaves they also raped the female slaves, very frequently. As a result there were a lot of 50/50 kids. These 50/50 kids would not be freed by their white fathers and would stay in servitude. Culturally, black slaves saw these 50/50 children as black since they stayed with their mother and grew up withing the black community, and these 50/50 kids were not seen as white because they did not grow up with their white father and live in their culture (mild speculation on my part). Since race was the justification of slavery, and owner's didn't want to free their profitable and sell able 50/50 offspring the laws were made say that any person with any black ancestry of any percentage (or extremely low in some states) was to be officially recognized as black, and thus a slave. These 50/50 kids might have been mildly resented withing the black slave community at the time (speculation on my part) but then those children would grow up and be raped by their owners or would marry a fellow black or partially black slave, resulting in a child that could have any mix of white and black. When combined with the fact that plantation owners not wanting to admit who their children were, slave mothers not wanting to talk about the father, children being sold away while extremely young and few birth records of slaves means that it is extremely hard for slaves to know their true racial makeup. Long story short, by the time the Civil War was over just about every slave had at least some percentage of white in them, but slaves, white people and the law did not care. When Jim Crow laws began to take effect the old laws about having "one-drop" was used to make sure that people with any percentage of black were discriminated against. If one had even a little bit of black in them they were considered black and were treated as such, legally and culturally by both African Americans and whites.
Notable examples include Frederick Douglas who states in his biography that his master was also his father and as such is 50% white and 50% black. Actually, I take that back, he never had much communication with his mom, who for all I know could have been 80% black 20% white or something else. So there is a chance that Frederick Douglas is more white than black.
Tiger Woods is the most extreme example. He is 1/4 black, 1/8 white (Dutch), 1/8 Native American and 1/2 Asian. So yea, he is twice as Asian as he is black. But since Americans use "you look it you are it" they see that black is his most visible trait and declare him black.
President Obama is another example. He is rare in that we know for sure that he is exactly 50% white and 50% black. Note that he is considered black despite this, and that his skin tone is very similar to that of other African Americans in America.
My Colombian dad says that it is weird how Americans view race. In Colombia they had slavery, but there was far less interracial mixing and as such their Afrian-Colombian population has very little white in it. But if an Afro-Colombian marries a white Colombian the child is considered Mulatto because there is a clear distinction between the black, white and mixed. Oddly, they have a reverse one-drop rule on top of that. If you have a small amount of white in you than you are considered white (while still also being Mulatto). My dad will turn on news and be confused when they refer to black people to which he responds "what are they hiding behind the white people?"

To answer your question. On paper you will be considered mixed (have to look up the specifics per state but modern laws are more logical), but to virtually every American you will be considered 100% black. If you try to say that you are Afro-Caribbean/White European you will just be wasting your time because the concept of mixed races is just something that we culturally do not use or that we care about. As for your African ancestry being from the Caribbean, that is something Americans will take note of and possible find cool. If you have a trace of a Jamaican/Haitian/Dominican Republic accent (but I assume you are living in Britian right now so how would I know) they might find that interesting little factoid to know about but of little real consequence.

But don't British people use the same you-look-it-you-are-it thought process when you just look at someone that we Americans use? Do British people use the terms Mulatto, Chicano (part Hispanic part white), etc or is it an all or nothing?
Chicano doesn't mean "part Hispanic part white." It means you were born in the United States of Mexican parents. Usually it refers to Californians. There's another term for Texans of Mexican descent: Tejano (pronounced tay-ha-no).
You are correct, my bad, I was thinking of Cholo (1/4 White and 3/4 Native American)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta
I completely forgot to reply to this, sorry. Thank you for your response! It was actually the Obama campaign that made me start worrying about it in the first place; I couldn't understand why he was being referred to as black when (in my eyes) he was clearly mixed. I also read a few articles claiming that he wasn't African American because of his specific background, which confused me even more as I didn't know that some people only class African Americans as those descended from slaves brought to America.

To answer your question: we do recognise and refer to mixed people as being such, although the specific term used will vary from person to person. I get called "half-caste" a lot (which is considered offensive in a lot of circles, but there's no real consensus of opinion on that either), whereas I refer to myself as mixed race. I believe the PC term is now "dual heritage". I don't particularly care what I'm called, as long as the distinction is made.
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To Americans: when you see a mixed-race person of Afro-Caribbean/White European descent, do you class them as mixed race, or black?

I ask this because as a mixed race person myself, I've noticed that a lot of Americans don't seem to recognise it as an identity in it's own right; they are more likely to class that person according to what they physically resemble the most, i.e. tanned skin and coarse dark hair = black. This is really putting me off moving to America as I'm worried that I'm going to be given a new identity that I can't relate to.
Famed African American poet Langston Hughes said "You see, unfortunately, I am not black. There are lots of different kinds of blood in our family. But here in the United States, the word 'Negro' is used to mean anyone who has any Negro blood at all in his veins. In Africa, the word is more pure. It means all Negro, therefore black. I am brown"

In the United States we don't really believe in multiple races for one person. We go off of a "you look it you are it", part of our one-drop rule. Long story.
Back in the day the South had slavery. And on top of kidnapping, murdering and selling the children of their slaves they also raped the female slaves, very frequently. As a result there were a lot of 50/50 kids. These 50/50 kids would not be freed by their white fathers and would stay in servitude. Culturally, black slaves saw these 50/50 children as black since they stayed with their mother and grew up withing the black community, and these 50/50 kids were not seen as white because they did not grow up with their white father and live in their culture (mild speculation on my part). Since race was the justification of slavery, and owner's didn't want to free their profitable and sell able 50/50 offspring the laws were made say that any person with any black ancestry of any percentage (or extremely low in some states) was to be officially recognized as black, and thus a slave. These 50/50 kids might have been mildly resented withing the black slave community at the time (speculation on my part) but then those children would grow up and be raped by their owners or would marry a fellow black or partially black slave, resulting in a child that could have any mix of white and black. When combined with the fact that plantation owners not wanting to admit who their children were, slave mothers not wanting to talk about the father, children being sold away while extremely young and few birth records of slaves means that it is extremely hard for slaves to know their true racial makeup. Long story short, by the time the Civil War was over just about every slave had at least some percentage of white in them, but slaves, white people and the law did not care. When Jim Crow laws began to take effect the old laws about having "one-drop" was used to make sure that people with any percentage of black were discriminated against. If one had even a little bit of black in them they were considered black and were treated as such, legally and culturally by both African Americans and whites.
Notable examples include Frederick Douglas who states in his biography that his master was also his father and as such is 50% white and 50% black. Actually, I take that back, he never had much communication with his mom, who for all I know could have been 80% black 20% white or something else. So there is a chance that Frederick Douglas is more white than black.
Tiger Woods is the most extreme example. He is 1/4 black, 1/8 white (Dutch), 1/8 Native American and 1/2 Asian. So yea, he is twice as Asian as he is black. But since Americans use "you look it you are it" they see that black is his most visible trait and declare him black.
President Obama is another example. He is rare in that we know for sure that he is exactly 50% white and 50% black. Note that he is considered black despite this, and that his skin tone is very similar to that of other African Americans in America.
My Colombian dad says that it is weird how Americans view race. In Colombia they had slavery, but there was far less interracial mixing and as such their Afrian-Colombian population has very little white in it. But if an Afro-Colombian marries a white Colombian the child is considered Mulatto because there is a clear distinction between the black, white and mixed. Oddly, they have a reverse one-drop rule on top of that. If you have a small amount of white in you than you are considered white (while still also being Mulatto). My dad will turn on news and be confused when they refer to black people to which he responds "what are they hiding behind the white people?"

To answer your question. On paper you will be considered mixed (have to look up the specifics per state but modern laws are more logical), but to virtually every American you will be considered 100% black. If you try to say that you are Afro-Caribbean/White European you will just be wasting your time because the concept of mixed races is just something that we culturally do not use or that we care about. As for your African ancestry being from the Caribbean, that is something Americans will take note of and possible find cool. If you have a trace of a Jamaican/Haitian/Dominican Republic accent (but I assume you are living in Britian right now so how would I know) they might find that interesting little factoid to know about but of little real consequence.

But don't British people use the same you-look-it-you-are-it thought process when you just look at someone that we Americans use? Do British people use the terms Mulatto, Chicano (part Hispanic part white), etc or is it an all or nothing?
Chicano doesn't mean "part Hispanic part white." It means you were born in the United States of Mexican parents. Usually it refers to Californians. There's another term for Texans of Mexican descent: Tejano (pronounced tay-ha-no).
You are correct, my bad, I was thinking of Cholo (1/4 White and 3/4 Native American)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta
I completely forgot to reply to this, sorry. Thank you for your response! It was actually the Obama campaign that made me start worrying about it in the first place; I couldn't understand why he was being referred to as black when (in my eyes) he was clearly mixed. I also read a few articles claiming that he wasn't African American because of his specific background, which confused me even more as I didn't know that some people only class African Americans as those descended from slaves brought to America.

To answer your question: we do recognise and refer to mixed people as being such, although the specific term used will vary from person to person. I get called "half-caste" a lot (which is considered offensive in a lot of circles, but there's no real consensus of opinion on that either), whereas I refer to myself as mixed race. I believe the PC term is now "dual heritage". I don't particularly care what I'm called, as long as the distinction is made.
The equivalent term for half-caste in the Hispanic system (that they invented during the colonization of the new world) would be Mulatto.
There does seem to be some kind of weird thing going on with the definition of African-American in the USA right now. There are some African-Americans who think that only former slaves count compared to immigrants (the logic being that former slaves suffered under very harsh circumstances where as new immigrants have not). Then there is a more bizarre definition that it only applies to black people who live in black communities and in a certain income level and since Obama was he was raised by a white woman in a non-black area there are a few people who say that as a result he is not African American, which makes no sense to me because by that same logic Eminem would be 100% black.
And this is not getting into the fact that African-American should just mean that one is from Africa. I had a friend whose parents were from Egypt so we would always call him African American. There was also a reporter (I think he was British) that would call the very white (born in Zimbabwe) wife of John Kerry an African-American as a joke.
Be careful. These terms often has loosey-goosey meanings and uses and can pop up and disappear from culture to culture. For example and historically, in many Central American cultures, you're more likely to encounter "sambo" used as a reference to mixed-raced persons than you'll encounter "mulatto." But you'll also encounter "sambo" used interchangeably with "mulatto" in North American. Likewise, most Puerto Ricans and Brazilians wouldn't have -- and still don't -- use "mulatto" as much as they would have used "mestizo."

These terms and their meanings do get very tricky. There are over two dozen terms used in Brazil to refer to the tiniest variations in shades of pigmentation between pure White and pure Black. They take that stuff seriously in Brazil. It strongly correlates to social status.

Even among contemporary American Blacks, the terms that seek to capture different pigmentation are impressive in both number and range. There's everything from "high-yellow" to "red-bone" to "blue-black" and more.
 

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America: Do you have any rivalries between states/ geographic factors? In England we have quite a big North/South divide, for example, and wondered if something similar occurred over in the US
It depends on where, actually. There's some pretty epic feuding between the states of Michigan and Ohio, which actually started over a land dispute when they joined the Union. I'm sure there's others, but I haven't been exposed to them sufficiently to recall offhand.

In addition, there's a number of stereotypes for people from any major region of the country. For example, San Franciscans are gay, Alabamans have 3 teeth and fuck their sisters, and anyone from New York is a colossal douche. I'm not really sure it counts as a "rivalry" per se, but there's so many different cultures in the US that stereotypes have arisen to cover just about all of them, and everyone knows them.
Is it mostly friendly banter, or is tehre some actual hatred among the regions?

Also, what do you mean when you say "joined the union"? Is that a local colloquialism?
It's a reference to joining the United States of America, which is often referred to collectively as "the Union." After the original 13 British colonies formed the original United States after the Revolutionary War, other territories on the North American continent were admitted to the United Sates as a new State. That's what's called "joining the Union." Michigan and Ohio weren't among the original 13 States. They joined the Union afterward.

There can be violent geographic rivalries ("beef" may be a better word), most often gang-fuelrd. During the 1990s, there was a long-lasting East Coast-West Coast beef centered in New York City and Los Angeles, respectively. A lotta people were killed as part of that beef, which didn't really end until both Tupac Shakur and Notorious BIG were killed.
Thank you for that =). I'm so culturally ignorant, it's nice to learn :D.
Here's some "culture" for ya then:

What's beef? Beef is when you need two gats to go to sleep
Beef is when your Moms ain't safe up in the streets
Beef is when I see you, guaranteed to be in ICU, one more time
What's beef? Beef is when you make your enemies start their Jeep
Beef is when you roll no less than thirty deep
Beef is when I see you, guaranteed to be in ICU, check it

"What's Beef?" -- Notorious BIG aka Biggie Smalls aka The Black Frank White

Brooklyn, Baby!! aka Crooklyn aka Bed-Stuy-Do-or-Die
I take it lamb wasn't on the menu? :(
 

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America: Do you have any rivalries between states/ geographic factors? In England we have quite a big North/South divide, for example, and wondered if something similar occurred over in the US
It depends on where, actually. There's some pretty epic feuding between the states of Michigan and Ohio, which actually started over a land dispute when they joined the Union. I'm sure there's others, but I haven't been exposed to them sufficiently to recall offhand.

In addition, there's a number of stereotypes for people from any major region of the country. For example, San Franciscans are gay, Alabamans have 3 teeth and fuck their sisters, and anyone from New York is a colossal douche. I'm not really sure it counts as a "rivalry" per se, but there's so many different cultures in the US that stereotypes have arisen to cover just about all of them, and everyone knows them.
Is it mostly friendly banter, or is tehre some actual hatred among the regions?

Also, what do you mean when you say "joined the union"? Is that a local colloquialism?
It's a reference to joining the United States of America, which is often referred to collectively as "the Union." After the original 13 British colonies formed the original United States after the Revolutionary War, other territories on the North American continent were admitted to the United Sates as a new State. That's what's called "joining the Union." Michigan and Ohio weren't among the original 13 States. They joined the Union afterward.

There can be violent geographic rivalries ("beef" may be a better word), most often gang-fuelrd. During the 1990s, there was a long-lasting East Coast-West Coast beef centered in New York City and Los Angeles, respectively. A lotta people were killed as part of that beef, which didn't really end until both Tupac Shakur and Notorious BIG were killed.
Thank you for that =). I'm so culturally ignorant, it's nice to learn :D.
Here's some "culture" for ya then:

What's beef? Beef is when you need two gats to go to sleep
Beef is when your Moms ain't safe up in the streets
Beef is when I see you, guaranteed to be in ICU, one more time
What's beef? Beef is when you make your enemies start their Jeep
Beef is when you roll no less than thirty deep
Beef is when I see you, guaranteed to be in ICU, check it

"What's Beef?" -- Notorious BIG aka Biggie Smalls aka The Black Frank White

Brooklyn, Baby!! aka Crooklyn aka Bed-Stuy-Do-or-Die
I take it lamb wasn't on the menu? :(
Ha! That's a good one.

Nope. Wasn't nothing but beef. 100% Prime Grade "A" beef.
 

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Also, a question for everyone: Who all do you think qualifies as a "Yank"? I've met a few people who take offense at including anyone who's not a New Yorker or New Englander in that. (And I may have met someone who said it was only New Yorkers.)
Being from the south, I would say that anyone who lives in a state was part of the union during the civil war is a Yankee. But we (including me) just use it as a joke these days, seeing as how we don't like slavery anymore either.
Yeah, it wasn't serious offense... Just insistence that it was a regional qualifier and not a national qualifier.
 

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Here's some "culture" for ya then:

What's beef? Beef is when you need two gats to go to sleep
Beef is when your Moms ain't safe up in the streets
Beef is when I see you, guaranteed to be in ICU, one more time
What's beef? Beef is when you make your enemies start their Jeep
Beef is when you roll no less than thirty deep
Beef is when I see you, guaranteed to be in ICU, check it

"What's Beef?" -- Notorious BIG aka Biggie Smalls aka The Black Frank White

Brooklyn, Baby!! aka Crooklyn aka Bed-Stuy-Do-or-Die

Edit: Woops at youtube embed failure.
 

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I've lived exactly half my life in the UK and half in North America and before you ask there is no preference when I'm in one I miss parts of the other.

so my question to North Americans:

what is with the lack of "pub culture" over here?!

It seems impossible for anyone to comprehend the idea of a quiet drink down the pub! or am I just asking the wrong people?
I assume you've never been to Canada.

Oh, goodness, you live here.

Well, uh, I don't know which part you're in.
 

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Awesome, there's some gems in there!

I am of the firm belief that anyone who cannot drive a manual is a waste of space, so I would most definitely be tracking down a manual vehicle.

It seems that driving is pretty much an "every man for himself" kind of endeavor. This kind of worries me, because it's all so ordered over here. People rarely use turn signals? Damn, that's the kind of thing I usually reserve my road rage for over here. No roundabouts? Madness! The lack of parallel parking sounds like a bonus, I haven't had to do it since my driving test, and would undoubtedly fuck it up if I tried.

I have no problem with guns, or people carrying them. I own shotguns myself, and shoot on a pretty regular basis, but I'd certainly be eager to try out some of the stuff you guys are allowed to play with :p

As far as TV goes, I don't really care, I barely watch it as it is. The only thing that would destroy me is if I couldn't watch football (real football, not your version, no offense :p )
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I've been vaguely toying with the idea of moving to the US for a bit and finding work. Not sure why, but seems like it would be an interesting experience.

Would there be any place in particular you guys would recommended looking at, and what general advice would you give to a clueless Englishman who is unknowing of your outlandish Yank customs :p
1: 20MPG is considered good. 15MPG is acceptable. 30MPG is exceptional. If you want more than that you're going to have to import it.

2: The roads will seem huge.

3: Parallell parking is a rarity

4: So are roundabouts. I've only seen one in my 21 years of existing. We call them town squares since that's usually where they're found, and they rarely exceed one lane wide. Mine has a parking area where the island would normally be.

5: A small car is a deathtrap. Idiots abound, and they drive enormous SUVs very poorly. You are advised to get something with some heft to it.

6: Manual transmissions are a rarity. I insist on manuals myself, but this means my selection in cars is quite stunted. I all but have to buy used these days, as even Japan is starting to go automatic only on their lines.

7: Because of 6, a car with a manual does not need any sort of anti-theft equipment. A thief won't be able to drive it, so usually they pass it right up. If not, they'll merely boost your radio. So I advise seeking one out.

8: You will NOT find a rental car with a manual. Don't even bother asking.

9: If you want a burger, pick a direction and go. You'll hit a burger joint within 5 minutes walking distance in any city. However if you want truly healthy food you're going to have to make it yourself or pay quite a bit.

10: Our customs are quite lax indeed. Pretty much as long as you're not nude and you're not swearing at everyone on the street(Though in some places this is even acceptable), you're good.

11: Turn signals are optional. Nobody ever gets ticketed for them, nobody ever uses them, and from what I've seen, nobody even understands them.

12: Zipper merging does not work. Plain as that. You're advised to choose the lane that takes you where you need to go at least a mile before you get to the split.

13: Stop signs are very commonplace.

14: Stopping at those signs seems optional, too. Most people use a California stop, where you come down to three or four MPH and roll through unless there's oncoming traffic. Cops do this too, but they do ticket for it on occasion.

15: Car insurance makes a hell of a lot more sense. They base how much it costs on A: Your driving record, B: How likely your car is to get written off, and C: How greedy the CEO is at any one time. They don't care about engine displacement or any of that nonsense. It costs me less to insure my 4.9L pickup truck than it would to insure me on a Civic SI because of this, while the truck may seem like it does more damage, it's worth a hell of a lot less and it's far less likely to end up embedded in a bridge pier. So, they pay out less when it's written off, so they charge less to insure it in the first place.

16: Liability insurance is mandatory, comprehensive is not.

17: The management sucks. They're irresponsible, greedy douchebags that are out to line their pockets and fuck the rest of us over.

18: That being said, people will defend their favorite irresponsible, greedy douchebag to the death it seems, so I advise just staying the hell out of politics entirely.

19: See that guy over there? There's an 80% change he's packing. Concealed carry permits are stupidly easy to get, and anyone with enough dough and no felonies can walk into a gun shop and get a gun. That being said, guns are actually quite fun to shoot, so it may be worth heading down to a gun shop that has a range and trying it out. You may enjoy it.

20: The TSA is going to invade your privacy if you want to fly anywhere. Keep this in mind should you decide to go back to Britain.

21: Public transport blows. You NEED your own wheels. Motorcycles are acceptable, but some sort of car is preferred.

22: Getting a license is easy. That's why so many morons are slinging enormous SUVs down the road with reckless abandon.

23: We do get Top Gear, BTCC and Formula 1. TG can be found on BBC America if you don't mind a version butchered to fit with our commercial spam(I use Finalgear.com to get the proper BBC airings), and BTCC/F1 show up on Speed channel. So you're not going to have any trouble finding decent TV.

Have fun!
The thing you need to realize, though, is that much of this varies by area. I recently moved from Boston, which developed relatively organically, to San Diego, which has grown significantly more since the advent of the automobile, and here are some of the above points where I noticed a difference or otherwise have something to add.
2) Roads are a lot bigger in California, for the most part. A lot of non-highway roads in the Boston suburbs try to get away with one or two lanes each way. In San Diego, it feels like all the roads are at least two lanes if not three lanes wide, and many of them have speed limits upward of 35MPH. (Compare to a residential standard of 30MPH back east...) Of course, the speed limit is more like a recommended speed around here, but...

3) Parallel parking is a must if you live in some places. Cambridge, for example, has lots of places where the only parking is street parking, which is always parallel. Parallel parking goes away when the required parking space becomes large enough that you need to pack more cars in than will fit in one lane on the side of the road.

4) Roundabouts are called "rotaries" in Boston. They're not as prevalent as in Britain, but they're not unused. I have no idea where this thing about the town square being a rotary came from.

5) Families with kids will almost always have at least one large van. With gas prices going up the way they are, I have a feeling a new disincentive to have an SUV in the city will be added to the inability to find parking.

11) I hope like hell this weren't true, but it often seems true. It's safe to say that about 1/3 of drivers use turn signals correctly, or perhaps all drivers use them 1/3 of the time. (Let's split the difference and say half the drivers use them 2/3 of the time.)

12) Merging works when a lane ends. Getting over a lane is largely an exercise in hoping that someone in the next lane over wants to move over, too, if you're in heavy traffic.

14) This depends -- but New Yorkers (like my grandparents) call it a "New York" stop, and my dad complains that Boston drivers make a fine art out of running red lights.

22) A driver's license is also the standard and most trusted source of photo ID. (It's also one of the few ones with your signature on it.)

Also, a question for everyone: Who all do you think qualifies as a "Yank"? I've met a few people who take offense at including anyone who's not a New Yorker or New Englander in that. (And I may have met someone who said it was only New Yorkers.)
ooh more useful info! Glad to see the genius of the roundabout has been adopted in some areas at least :p

As far as the Yank thing goes, I just generally use it as a catch all for all people from the US, but as I understand it these on the side of the Union in the Civil War were refered to as Yankees by the Confederates, so I can see how some would take offense to it. Having said that, I'd never call an American an Yank to his face, I'm far too polite :p

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Honestly if gas wasn't eight or nine bucks a gallon and guns were legal I would have moved to the UK ages ago.
Just a quick thing, but this is a particular pet hate of mine, it annoys me when people think guns are illegal.

Guns are legal here.

We're just not allowed semi-automatic rifles over .22 caliber, or handguns that are not black-powder (like flintlocks, vintage revolvers etc.)

And our gun control is tighter. You must own a Shotgun Certificate (which are pretty easy to get) to buy shotguns, and for anything else and shotguns with a capacity over 2 or 2+1 you must have a Firearms Certificate, which is a little trickier to get hold of, but certainly not impossible.

I know you probably don't care, but for some reason I feel compelled to inform people of this :p
And I just pumped some premium octane gas at US$4.25 a gallon. Convert that to pounds and your gas ain't that much more expensive than ours.
Petrol (yes I will insist on calling it petrol :p ) around my area is £1.35-ish per litre. Not sure how that works out, but its still not cheap. But then I have a pretty small car, so it's swings and roundabouts really.

On Topic:

I've been vaguely toying with the idea of moving to the US for a bit and finding work. Not sure why, but seems like it would be an interesting experience.

Would there be any place in particular you guys would recommended looking at, and what general advice would you give to a clueless Englishman who is unknowing of your outlandish Yank customs :p
Are you aware that in many places in the States, unemployment's running close to 20%? Unless you're a Registered Nurse (about the only position for which there's guaranteed employment right now), I'd advise you think about that move long and hard.
Shitter :(

Well you've got 2 years before I finish University, better get on it and sort your job market out by then :p

But seriously, that sucks. I want to work abroad, but everyone and his dog from the UK goes to work in Australia and NZ. Not that I've anything against either of those places, I jsut like the sound of the USA as something a bit different :(
Actually a quick google seems to show that as of March 2011 US unemployment rates average at 8.8%, as oppose to about 8% for the UK - and they're decreasing. It's probably worth trying to get some industry/region specific figures, though.
Oh cheers, that's a bit more encouraging :)

Having said that I'm doing a History degree (hooray!), so I wont really have any specific skills with which to find a decent paying job, but no harm in looking I guess.
 

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Also, a question for everyone: Who all do you think qualifies as a "Yank"? I've met a few people who take offense at including anyone who's not a New Yorker or New Englander in that. (And I may have met someone who said it was only New Yorkers.)
Being from the south, I would say that anyone who lives in a state was part of the union during the civil war is a Yankee. But we (including me) just use it as a joke these days, seeing as how we don't like slavery anymore either.
Yeah, it wasn't serious offense... Just insistence that it was a regional qualifier and not a national qualifier.
To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast. -- E. B. White
 

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Also, a question for everyone: Who all do you think qualifies as a "Yank"? I've met a few people who take offense at including anyone who's not a New Yorker or New Englander in that. (And I may have met someone who said it was only New Yorkers.)
Being from the south, I would say that anyone who lives in a state was part of the union during the civil war is a Yankee. But we (including me) just use it as a joke these days, seeing as how we don't like slavery anymore either.
Yeah, it wasn't serious offense... Just insistence that it was a regional qualifier and not a national qualifier.
To foreigners, a Yankee is an American
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast. -- E. B. White
It's odd that he picked Vermont, considering, etymologically, it really is a New Yorker. (From "Jan Kees", a Dutch equivalent of "John Doe", the way I heard it...) It's pretty much dead-on about a Yankee generally being a group not including oneself, though.
 

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Just how bad is knife crime in the UK? I know the US gets a lot of flak for having loose gun laws, but I've read statistics and heard anecdotes from English friends that seem to indicate the UK is just as bad... people just prefer a different weapon.

I personally have been robbed at gunpoint twice, but only because I lived in a really bad neighborhood during college, but it dawned on me that actually USING a gun on someone is a huge risk because of the incredible noise it generates and the probable proximity of others in an urban area. But then I was hearing stories from English friends that a criminal strategy in the UK is to stab someone right off the bat, and then rob them.

I also have English friends who have told me they would literally lay down their lives for a number of not-very-expensive personal effects. Is it seriously that bad in the city?
 

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Just how bad is knife crime in the UK? I know the US gets a lot of flak for having loose gun laws, but I've read statistics and heard anecdotes from English friends that seem to indicate the UK is just as bad... people just prefer a different weapon.

I personally have been robbed at gunpoint twice, but only because I lived in a really bad neighborhood during college, but it dawned on me that actually USING a gun on someone is a huge risk because of the incredible noise it generates and the probable proximity of others in an urban area. But then I was hearing stories from English friends that a criminal strategy in the UK is to stab someone right off the bat, and then rob them.

I also have English friends who have told me they would literally lay down their lives for a number of not-very-expensive personal effects. Is it seriously that bad in the city?
Depends where you live. The poorer (lower middle class har har) parts of England have knife crime for obvious reasons, mostly in the London area, though Scotland has its fair share. I live in a "rough" neighbourhood in Lincolnshire (East Midlands of the UK), but i've never heard of anyone being stabbed or anything. Infact, surprisingly enough, the only knife crime in my area that i've heard of was actually within my close-family, almost-mugged at knife point on the way to the local shop. Seems more like it was a once-in-a-while kind of thing rather than knives being rampant.

Still, i'm not an expert and i don't read much more than the local news.
 

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People rarely use turn signals? Damn, that's the kind of thing I usually reserve my road rage for over here.
I stopped using mine because I kept getting "...the hell is that flashy light on the front of your truck, bro?" looks from other drivers.

And the left hand one doesn't work.
Wow... that's ... really disappointing. I've also found you get used to it, after awhile, just like you get used to the people who pull up to a stop light and only hit the turn signal when the light turns green.


As far as TV goes, I don't really care, I barely watch it as it is. The only thing that would destroy me is if I couldn't watch football (real football, not your version, no offense :p )
Then be prepared to be destroyed. The only thing you'll find on American TV is handegg EXCEPT for the world cup. That's the only time I've seen football.

Personally I don't care about any sort of team sports like that. Auto racing is my poison.
You'd be surprised... ESPN has actually started showing a remarkable amount of Soccer, based on the televisions where I eat lunch. I wouldn't know for sure whether it's just some big event right now, though, because I largely ignore sports altogether.


4) Roundabouts are called "rotaries" in Boston. They're not as prevalent as in Britain, but they're not unused. I have no idea where this thing about the town square being a rotary came from.
That's what they're called in Tennessee. Honest to god I've never heard them called a rotary. Roundabout, sure. Town Square for the one I encounter. But never rotary.
Yeah, "rotary" is a local term and not used in the rest of the country... and yes, the majority of the ones I've seen could have a legitimate but rather small green area stuck in the middle of it... if you could ever manage to cross the traffic in them. I'm largely of the opinion that they're an abomination, but that might just be because the only way to get into the one closest to where I lived when growing up was to wait for someone to take the exit that corresponded to your entrance and leave a hole in the stream of swirling cars.

14) This depends -- but New Yorkers (like my grandparents) call it a "New York" stop, and my dad complains that Boston drivers make a fine art out of running red lights.
Running reds isn't common here...unless you count making a right turn on a red. We do that all the time, and down here in the South it's perfectly legal unless posted otherwise.
Boston (and New York, for that matter, I'm pretty sure, but I'm familiar with Boston) has notoriously aggressive drivers. Right on red is normally legal, of course, but some people think you can cram another left turn into the 2 seconds between when your yellow light turns red and the other direction's red light turns green, and the proper behavior when the light is yellow is to floor it.
 

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rickynumber24 said:
JDKJ said:
rickynumber24 said:
Viking Incognito said:
rickynumber24 said:
Also, a question for everyone: Who all do you think qualifies as a "Yank"? I've met a few people who take offense at including anyone who's not a New Yorker or New Englander in that. (And I may have met someone who said it was only New Yorkers.)
Being from the south, I would say that anyone who lives in a state was part of the union during the civil war is a Yankee. But we (including me) just use it as a joke these days, seeing as how we don't like slavery anymore either.
Yeah, it wasn't serious offense... Just insistence that it was a regional qualifier and not a national qualifier.
To foreigners, a Yankee is an American
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast. -- E. B. White
It's odd that he picked Vermont, considering, etymologically, it really is a New Yorker. (From "Jan Kees", a Dutch equivalent of "John Doe", the way I heard it...) It's pretty much dead-on about a Yankee generally being a group not including oneself, though.
If you're gonna pitch rocks, you don't usually pitch them at yourself.

He probably picked Vermont to work in the "pie for breakfast" punchline. They really do eat pie for breakfast in Vermont.