An analogy for depression

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NinjaDeathSlap

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This is going to seem incredibly random and unrelated to anything... because it is, but what better time for random off-topic thoughts than in the early hours of the morning when I can't sleep.

Anyway, I think I may have just thought of the perfect analogy (at least from my experience) to describe the experience of suffering from depression to people who (understandably) have trouble wrapping their heads around the concept, and often misinterpret it with the same bouts of sadness and anxiety that pretty much everyone go through from time to time.

It's quite simple really: Imagine the kid who bullied you at school (if nobody did, then surely you witnessed someone else being bullied at some point) lives inside your head. That's the essence of it, and for me it captures the relentlessness of depression. Imagine that bully is inside your head, with access to an entire armoury of all your darkest fears and anxieties to use against you. Every situation you encounter where you need to feel confident, capable, or just plain normal, they're there telling you that you're not. They take every single thing that you don't like about yourself, every single memory of you being rejected, or just thinking you've been rejected, even things that you've managed to keep a secret from the real-life bullies, and hit you with them, again and again, day in, day out, for as long as it takes for you to snap.

Like real bullying, if you don't find a way to combat it early on, it gets to the stage where the menace of it is just as damaging as the act itself. You end up living every day with your guard up, a nervous wreck flinching at sudden movements around you. You're afraid to be happy, because the bully is waiting somewhere, watching you, out of sight, and the moment you dare to relax you just know they're gonna ambush you and ruin everything. That existential dread becomes the deciding factor in every decision you make. You isolate yourself, until your tormentor becomes the only company you have, and the only voice you can listen to. That's when it gets really dangerous, because that's when you accept it, and can even develop a kind of Stockholm-eqsue attachment to it.

Now imagine all the favourite pieces of advice you give a kid who's being bullied in the real world. See how none of them work when the bully is inside your head? You can't "just ignore" your own brain. You can't grass on your brain to a teacher, so they'll make it leave you alone; and you can't hit back when your brain is hitting you. You'll end up hurting yourself more than you hurt it.

What can you do then? I'll leave that for professionals to answer. It would be dangerous for me to pretend that simply having experience makes me an expert. Besides, people who already have a bully inside their head don't need me to tell them it's there, but if you've ever had a friend who acted like they were under siege from something that wasn't there, and you just couldn't understand why they were acting that way, look at it this way, and you might just be able to say "I know how you feel" with some sincerity, which can make all the difference in the world.

Finally, you CANNOT expect them to take the first step on their own. You just can't. That kind of emotional stress confuses people and makes them act irrationally. Hell, I'm talking about experiences that I went through 3-5 years ago, and only NOW have I actually been able process them in a way that I feel might make perfect sense to the uninitiated.

So yeah, discuss. Does this resonate with anyone on here who had also suffered/is suffering? For those who have not, does this provide any new insight that no-one had got across to you before? What do you all think I'm doing posting this at ten past five in the morning, you pillock? The possibilities are endless!
 

Zhukov

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Sure, that works.

Textbooks and clinical psychologists, or at least some of them, describe depression in similar terms. However they use the word "critic" instead of "bully".
 

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That sounds reasonable, yeah.

I'd also add to this part, though:

"Now imagine all the favourite pieces of advice you give a kid who's being bullied in the real world. See how none of them work when the bully is inside your head?"

In both cases, they often aren't supposed to work, they are supposed to get the person to stop talking about the problem, cause the person telling them that doesn't want to know about it.
 

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Zhukov said:
Sure, that works.

Textbooks and clinical psychologists, or at least some of them, describe depression in similar terms. However they use the word "critic" instead of "bully".
I think where I would challenge that analogy is that I think having a critic, even a harsh one, inside your head can be a good thing. Critics can be harsh but fair. Critics can help you better yourself. Depression doesn't want you to get better, it wants to break you.

thaluikhain said:
That sounds reasonable, yeah.

I'd also add to this part, though:

"Now imagine all the favourite pieces of advice you give a kid who's being bullied in the real world. See how none of them work when the bully is inside your head?"

In both cases, they often aren't supposed to work, they are supposed to get the person to stop talking about the problem, cause the person telling them that doesn't want to know about it.
Fair enough, though in the real world, there is at least the possibility of being able knock your bully on their arse, or ignore them for long enough that they get bored. When dealing with your subconscious, these things aren't even options.
 

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I wouldn't recommend saying "I know how you feel", at least for me, as the 'bully' chimes in with "you've no fucking idea" and the stockholmed you actually agrees with them.

Hugs, more hugs are what's needed, there's a physco-physical reaction when it comes to hugs.

All of this taken from my own viewpoint naturally, I'm ill qualified to speak as someone else.
 

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
Zhukov said:
Sure, that works.

Textbooks and clinical psychologists, or at least some of them, describe depression in similar terms. However they use the word "critic" instead of "bully".
I think where I would challenge that analogy is that I think having a critic, even a harsh one, inside your head can be a good thing. Critics can be harsh but fair. Critics can help you better yourself. Depression doesn't want you to get better, it wants to break you.
Well, I think he means more along the lines of overwhelmingly harsh critic to the point of depression or other personal issues.

Like how I get feelings in my head of great inferiority or uselessness based on my general social ineptitude or my inability to get a job. Or how I view myself as someone who barely makes a tangible difference on anything in the world to the point I sometimes wonder why I even exist. Irrationally harsh criticism.
 

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I had suffered depression in one point of my life (thankfully i have managed to suppress it nowadays) which had its bad swing brought in by that voice actually turning out correct. What that inner bully said turned out tto be true and i went into deep depression for around 4 years. That period was the only time in my life when i actually went to a psychiatrist. And the analogy that you describe sounds pretty close to what actually happened. Especially the isolation part is true. I used to tell people that what they see is a shell that they wont penetrate. And it turned out to be true, they never saw "the real me". Noone did.

But i beat it, or well, rather, supressed it. Its still there lurking, but i locked it away in the deep part of me and dont let it out. And yes. you can ignore your brain. you can hit back. and you can make it leave you alone. Its not easy and its a battle you fight constantly for years. but you can beat your brain. It takes a lot of will, and now writing on the topic i can feel it rising, being remmebered about, trying to get out. but i wont give up, and i hope people battling their depressions wont either.

And yes, it takes years of victory to be able to talk about it freely. i was afraid to talk about it for a long time.
 

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This actually does resonate rather strongly with me. It?s like the bully inside my head is constantly throwing punches at me, and even when I evade the blows or try to fight back, he just finds new methods of hitting me again. Eventually, it gets to the point where you?re practically numb to the pain and you?ve tried so long to ?ignore? him that you lack the mental fortitude to fight any longer.

And even when you feel like you?re having a good day, the bully?s still a lingering presence, like when you?re walking in the street and you?re paranoid that someone?s following you. You turn around, then sigh and continue walking, only for the bully to quickly trip you up so you go crashing down onto the pavement and you have to spend the rest of the day in an unattended hospital bed. And the only visitor is the bully, who just relentlessly insults you for allowing him to trip you up in the first place, and the doctors and nurses can?t do shit about him because they can neither see nor hear him. He?s like a ghost.

I honestly wonder if it takes more mental energy to be optimistic than it does to be pessimistic.
 

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
Zhukov said:
Sure, that works.

Textbooks and clinical psychologists, or at least some of them, describe depression in similar terms. However they use the word "critic" instead of "bully".
I think where I would challenge that analogy is that I think having a critic, even a harsh one, inside your head can be a good thing. Critics can be harsh but fair. Critics can help you better yourself.
Which is exactly what a lot of depressed people say about their self-critical ways.

Regardless, the difference is only a matter of semantics.
 

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Solaire of Astora said:
NinjaDeathSlap said:
Zhukov said:
Sure, that works.

Textbooks and clinical psychologists, or at least some of them, describe depression in similar terms. However they use the word "critic" instead of "bully".
I think where I would challenge that analogy is that I think having a critic, even a harsh one, inside your head can be a good thing. Critics can be harsh but fair. Critics can help you better yourself. Depression doesn't want you to get better, it wants to break you.
Well, I think he means more along the lines of overwhelmingly harsh critic to the point of depression or other personal issues.

Like how I get feelings in my head of great inferiority or uselessness based on my general social ineptitude or my inability to get a job. Or how I view myself as someone who barely makes a tangible difference on anything in the world to the point I sometimes wonder why I even exist. Irrationally harsh criticism.
Oh sure. I'm well aware that's the kind of critic they mean, I'm just not sure it's the best term to use when describing it to someone who doesn't already know. If I were them, I'd (probably) think "What's the big deal? Everyone is their own worst critic".
 

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Relish in Chaos said:
I honestly wonder if it takes more mental energy to be optimistic than it does to be pessimistic.
Of course it does. if nothing else, simply because if you you even have to try and make yourself think positively, then chances are you're in a situation with a lot of emotional inertia going the other way that you have to overcome. What I had to realise though, in order to help myself, is that the brand of pessimism I subscribed to is self-fulfilling. I was alone because I isolated myself. I was bored, dull, frustrated and miserable because I rejected anything that may have made me feel otherwise. I'd reached the stage where my depression had begun to define me.

The solution doesn't lie in just 'deciding' to be happy. Anyone who says that has no idea. However, at the same time, we make our own good days, so when the darkness comes we have something to counter-balance it with.
 

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I've had honest conversations with people who say depression is just mental weakness and that if people can't get over it they deserve whatever happens to them.

You're dead on, it's not that simple.
 

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erttheking said:
I've had honest conversations with people who say depression is just mental weakness and that if people can't get over it they deserve whatever happens to them.

You're dead on, it's not that simple.
Yeah, there's a bunch of things like that.

Another far more common but equally thoughtless one is "If you're poor, you have only yourself to blame, and you simply aren't trying hard enough"

Which is really only good for one thing. Making the person that says it feel OK about not caring about you even just a tiny bit...

After all, if you're going through something difficult or unpleasant, I don't have to care as long as it's entirely and exclusively your fault...

If there's something outside your control influencing the situation, then I may actually have to show some consideration to helping you with that outside influence...
And we can't have that, now can we?
 

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I don't really like talking about this stuff, and maybe that's the bully in me telling me that no one is gonna see this or respond or care, but I'll add my two cents.

I do think your analogy is accurate, although everyone experiences different things when it comes to depression. But honestly, that part of the depression wasn't what got to me when I was depressed. I have a very critical and analytical mind and that has helped me many times in my life, I would consider myself intelligent and a good writer and I think that the part of my mind that makes me depressed also helps me write well and do well in school.

While that bully in my head can ruin lots of things, making me too paranoid or afraid of rejection or failure to take advantage of many opportunities and preventing me from reaching out to others (they wont understand, they don't care, they'll think you're a freak) the part of my depression that was always the worst for me was the feeling of hopelessness and nothing. That after my bully made me hurt and feel so sad, the only way to turn that voice off was to feel nothing. Nothing was funny, or sad or happy, nothing made me feel anything except dead inside. Then it becomes even more difficult to get better because you don't care anymore. Either everything hurts or you can't feel anything at all. For me personally, once I reached that point things progressively got worse and worse, I isolated, lashed out at loved ones, began to cut, started failing school and then eventually tried to kill myself.

Its been exactly 1 year and 1 month since I made an attempt on my life and I can honestly say that I feel so much better now, although I would say that I'm still depressed and I still have much therapy and opening up and other stuff I need to work on but I have silenced the bully for the most part and I can feel things once again(although that has proven difficult too, after you feel almost nothing for two to three years, everything is a lot more difficult to deal with when you're out of practice with dealing with your emotions)

Welp, honestly I don't know what I intended to do by writing this, I guess try and say that it does get better and that reaching out, therapy, coping strategies, all that stuff works it just takes a lot of effort and time but its definitely worth it in the end.

Okay, I'm gonna just post this now and stop rambling, sorry for the stream of consciousness rant.
 

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While I can relate to some extent. I dont think your analogy is accurate for me personally. I find my depression more along the lines of the 'black dog' metaphor. Some creature that is always lurking behind you, slowly creeping closer until it wraps itself around you smothering you, scratching inside your brain and snatching at anything that causes you pain. Its less self criticism and more a sense of complete hopelessness and inability to escape, from your own emotional agony and possibly the rl situations where you feel trapped.
 

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
As a person with anxiety this makes a lot of sense. Although with anxiety if I have something to worry about it's a like having an extremely worried person in the back of your head. Though there is the anxiety about nothing in which the worried person is totally quiet you're just anxious as you can be. For me this has physical ramifications, not to go in to too heavy detail, but anxiety can literally give me loose bowels and make me vomit.
 

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Relish in Chaos said:
I honestly wonder if it takes more mental energy to be optimistic than it does to be pessimistic.
By force, I can attest to that since it can quickly turn into this "surreal sarcasm" that not even your closet friends would want anything to do with you with that kind of "positive" attitude... But naturally, I don't know which one takes up more mental energy...

OT: I haven't suffered from depression, myself[footnote]since I don't consider my moments of extended/sympathetic sadness to even be considered "depression" in the first place...[/footnote], but I say that analogy's pretty sound on my end... With that said, wouldn't the antithesis of depression be the equivalent of having a cheering squad in the back of your mind that would always cheer for you on anything that you do and/or think about no matter how much certain things shouldn't even be considered positive and/or moral on even a social scale? Or am I just thinking too deep into this and have no idea what I'm talking about?
 

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FPLOON said:
Relish in Chaos said:
I honestly wonder if it takes more mental energy to be optimistic than it does to be pessimistic.
By force, I can attest to that since it can quickly turn into this "surreal sarcasm" that not even your closet friends would want anything to do with you with that kind of "positive" attitude... But naturally, I don't know which one takes up more mental energy...

OT: I haven't suffered from depression, myself[footnote]since I don't consider my moments of extended/sympathetic sadness to even be considered "depression" in the first place...[/footnote], but I say that analogy's pretty sound on my end... With that said, wouldn't the antithesis of depression be the equivalent of having a cheering squad in the back of your mind that would always cheer for you on anything that you do and/or think about no matter how much certain things shouldn't even be considered positive and/or moral on even a social scale? Or am I just thinking too deep into this and have no idea what I'm talking about?
You're probably right. I mean, I have no personal experience of that so I can't be certain, but I've heard people I know who are bi-polar describe their upswings in similar terms.
 

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In my opinion giving depression a character makes it a bit ridiculous and certainly less serious. But who knows, maybe I don't need an analogy to get the 'best' possible image of depression, and lucky for me (personal experience with anyone's depression being practically zero) even that is far from the real thing. Funny enough "an imbalance in brain chemistry" is most descriptive to me.