an arguement I had with my friend

[worstknightmare]

me and my friend where having conversation over x-box live, and he just suddenly brings up the topic that time is a illusion. He came out of no-where with this but I understood where he was coming from, as without something as a reference point in the sky time as a measurement doesn't exist, but he said without the sun time ITSELF would stop. Tell me your views on this argument

(this argument went on for an hour and a half, if you want to hear more of the argument and the points he tried to make just ask)

 

[Adam Jenson]

Sorry If this comes off as insensitive but is there a point to this or are or just gonna pout?

 

[worstknightmare]

internet lagged for a sec and it posted blank sorry

 

[Adam Jenson]

internet lagged for a sec and it posted blank sorry

oh well in that case I apologize. As your were saying

 

[James Raynor]

me and my friend where having conversation over x-box live, and he just suddenly brings up the topic that time is a illusion. He came out of no-where with this but I understood where he was coming from, as without something as a reference point in the sky time as a measurement doesn't exist, but he said without the sun time ITSELF would stop. Tell me your views on this argument

(this argument went on for an hour and a half, if you want to hear more of the argument and the points he tried to make just ask)

Time still goes by, we just base our time on the sun. Time is our way of measurement of well... time.

 

[worstknightmare]

Time still goes by, we just base our time on the sun. Time is our way of measurement of well... time.

yeah this is what I tried to explain to him, but he thought that without the sun time itself would stop, and cease to exist

 

[xitel]

Time is a concept. Technically, it doesn't exist as a tangible or directly measurable object, but we choose to measure it by movement of certain things. Technically it doesn't exist, it's something created by people, but still, it's difficult to think about it not existing.

 

[jakefongloo221]

unfortunetly time is a creation of man and only a concept that we understand we have to reference something by which one action leads to another. The sun has no affect on that. We say second minutes hours because what we do now leads into something else. That is why time exists the sun is just a unit of measurement not the lesson itsself

 

[jakefongloo221]

wow the dude above me your post wasn't there while i was typing but yah we're pretty much saying the same thing

 

[Anarchemitis]

All quantifications fit in two categories that are primal to all of existence that we have acknowledged; space and time.
Space is everything that can be. A Cube if you will, encompasses space, measured in thre dimensions, length, width and height with Physics and Matter therein. Time is the theoretical 4th dimension, which space travels along. Time is used as a reference between occurences and the detection of motion.
it's just as nonexistent as "One Meter" or "0 Degrees Celcius".
[img_inline width=400 align="right" caption=Ah, so THATs how Tesseracts work. I see now.]http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/848/tesseractfj1.png[/img_inline]

 

[James Raynor]

All quantifications fit in two categories that are primal to all of existence that we have acknowledged; space and time.
Space is everything that can be. A Cube if you will, encompasses space, measured in thre dimensions, length, width and height with Physics and Matter therein. Time is the theoretical 4th dimension, which space travels along. Time is used as a reference between occurences and the detection of motion.
it's just as nonexistent as "One Meter" or "0 Degrees Celcius".

You win this thread.

 

[xitel]

All quantifications fit in two categories that are primal to all of existence that we have acknowledged; space and time.
Space is everything that can be. A Cube if you will, encompasses space, measured in thre dimensions, length, width and height with Physics and Matter therein. Time is the theoretical 4th dimension, which space travels along. Time is used as a reference between occurences and the detection of motion.
it's just as nonexistent as "One Meter" or "0 Degrees Celcius".

Actually, the fourth dimension can also be a spacial dimension. A 4-dimensional object is an object made up of 3-dimensional objects, in the same way that a 3-dimensional object is made of 2-dimensional objects layered on top of each other, and a 2-dimensional object is made of 1-dimensional objects placed next to each other. For example, a hypercube:

Spoiler: Big Picture of a Hypercube

or, a tesseract, as you mentioned, is an object that consists of 8 3-dimensional cubes combined. It can be interpreted as time, as you stated, but it is not necessarily time.

 

[CrazyBerk]

I had an argument with my friend, and his friend on Xbox live. It we me and his friend vs him. He tried to convince how giving to poorer countries was all a scam. That was an interesting few hours...

 

[Dys]

Time is relative to energy isn't it?
So long as there is energy the flow of time can be observed.
Or put another way time is relative to things happening, so long as things happen (regardless of what they are) time is flowing relative to whatever the event is.

 

[runtheplacered]

This is a very interesting look into the first 10 dimensions, and after watching it you may have a better idea of the basics behind time. It's not very long. It's purpose is to try and explain the fundamentals of dimensions and explains each of them.

http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php

If nothing else, it'll keep you interested. Bear in mind that this is several years old, and possibly a pre-cursor to M-theory. But, if nothing else it'll give you some ground to stabilize yourself on, for newbies like myself.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Time still goes by, we just base our time on the sun. Time is our way of measurement of well... time.

yeah this is what I tried to explain to him, but he thought that without the sun time itself would stop, and cease to exist

Time as human perception understands yes.

Time as what it is in reality (the 4th dimension of said reality) no.

 

[theklng]

think about it: if time didn't exist, everything would be static. nothing would move, we'd all live forever, trapped perhaps in what we know as consciousness, perhaps not. time is not even an object/dimension/variable for me; time is the absence of something unknown, something that lets this entire universe go through chaos to order and presumably back again.

regardless of faith even, we can all say that our corpses will be "reborn" as matter once we die. every atom will still exist; perhaps ingested by other living beings or left there, but it will still exist. those atoms may in the future be a base for another being and life, which again will have to end at some point. we are, essentially, recycled atoms for generation upon generation (i use the word atom for the smallest common denominator of all beings and all matter).

time is the one thing that makes the universe dynamic, and therefore it makes it possible to have cycles like life and death. without it, it would be as if the entire universe was coated in wax of incredible power, that would stop everything and anything from thinking, moving, acting and changing. a world would be broken but a picture would be born.

 

[dead_beat_slacker]

Time doesn't exist no matter how or what theories you all choose to believe. Numbers in general were created by man as forms of measurement. And time itself is not even accurate. over the centuries people have taken away hours, days, months, and even years for odd reasons. Heck it ain't really 2008 there at least hundreds of years that have been taken away. Time is just another form on control for people in power to tell people when they can or can't to do things.

(to the fella above me, time has nothing to do with how long we live, Its all depends on how well we take care of ourselves.)

 

[Crofty]

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

And those who say that time doesn't actually exist, how can there be proression of cause to effect? How come things age? Time exists, even though we don't fully understand it yet, even though seconds, hours etc are just arbitrary quantification thought up by humans. And how does that cube thing show 4 dimensions? It's just a cube inside a larger cube.