an arguement I had with my friend

[cuddly_tomato]

Time doesn't exist no matter how or what theories you all choose to believe.

Of course it does. Between this moment (point A) and a hypothetical moment 2 hours from now after half a dozen people have proved you wrong (point B) stuff will happen. In order for that stuff to happen the universe has to be in motion. That motion, the stuff between point A and point B, is time.

 

[dead_beat_slacker]

Time doesn't exist no matter how or what theories you all choose to believe.

Of course it does. Between this moment (point A) and a hypothetical moment 2 hours from now after half a dozen people have proved you wrong (point B) stuff will happen. In order for that stuff to happen the universe has to be in motion. That motion, the stuff between point A and point B, is time.

Not a bad Theory. No matter how you put it, it doesn't exist and you still haven't proven me wrong. Cause that's all based on theory or idea. Just cause life moves on doesn't explain the time exist.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Time doesn't exist no matter how or what theories you all choose to believe.

Of course it does. Between this moment (point A) and a hypothetical moment 2 hours from now after half a dozen people have proved you wrong (point B) stuff will happen. In order for that stuff to happen the universe has to be in motion. That motion, the stuff between point A and point B, is time.

Not a bad Theory. No matter how you put it, it doesn't exist and you still haven't proven me wrong. Cause that's all based on theory or idea. Just cause life moves on doesn't explain the time exist.

No that's fact.

Look dude this isn't rocket science. You need 3 dimensions to exist at all. Every single thing in the universe has some degree of height, length, and width relative to each other. If any one of those is removed entirely then that object ceases to exist. Simply because we have measured it using metres does not turn it into a theory.

Time is the fourth dimension, the one which allows the other three to change. That is what time is, a change between two events. Whether it is simply an atom vibrating once or everything that has ever been. The things that happen occur in space-time.

 

[theklng]

Time doesn't exist no matter how or what theories you all choose to believe. Numbers in general were created by man as forms of measurement. And time itself is not even accurate. over the centuries people have taken away hours, days, months, and even years for odd reasons. Heck it ain't really 2008 there at least hundreds of years that have been taken away. Time is just another form on control for people in power to tell people when they can or can't to do things.

(to the fella above me, time has nothing to do with how long we live, Its all depends on how well we take care of ourselves.)

i never said anything about how long we live, i just said what happens after we die. and i agree, time doesn't exist. it is the absence of some unknown substance that is what we call time.

 

[dead_beat_slacker]

Time doesn't exist no matter how or what theories you all choose to believe.

Of course it does. Between this moment (point A) and a hypothetical moment 2 hours from now after half a dozen people have proved you wrong (point B) stuff will happen. In order for that stuff to happen the universe has to be in motion. That motion, the stuff between point A and point B, is time.

Not a bad Theory. No matter how you put it, it doesn't exist and you still haven't proven me wrong. Cause that's all based on theory or idea. Just cause life moves on doesn't explain the time exist.

No that's fact.

Look dude this isn't rocket science. You need 3 dimensions to exist at all. Every single thing in the universe has some degree of height, length, and width relative to each other. If any one of those is removed entirely then that object ceases to exist. Simply because we have measured it using metres does not turn it into a theory.

Time is the fourth dimension, the one which allows the other three to change. That is what time is, a change between two events. Whether it is simply an atom vibrating once or everything that has ever been. The things that happen occur in space-time.

You still haven't proven that time exists. You've only described how time works in measurement.

 

[Baby Tea]

Not a bad Theory. No matter how you put it, it doesn't exist and you still haven't proven me wrong. Cause that's all based on theory or idea. Just cause life moves on doesn't explain the time exist.

No that's fact.

Look dude this isn't rocket science. You need 3 dimensions to exist at all. Every single thing in the universe has some degree of height, length, and width relative to each other. If any one of those is removed entirely then that object ceases to exist. Simply because we have measured it using metres does not turn it into a theory.

Time is the fourth dimension, the one which allows the other three to change. That is what time is, a change between two events. Whether it is simply an atom vibrating once or everything that has ever been. The things that happen occur in space-time.

Yeah, I'd say Tomato hit the nail on the head. Time does exist. Sure we've given it a human label ('Time'), and given it human parameters (How long a second is, or how long a minute is), but we've done all of that based on our perception of it's passing. It began with the sun, sure, but now today we don't need the sun to recognize the passing of time (So long as we have technology, I suppose).

Should the sun ceased to exist, we'd be dead. So the supposed lack of time wouldn't be a big priority for me.

Hypothetically, however, if the sun ceased to exist and we were still alive somehow, time would still pass. We'd still get old, things would still grow (Under a sun lamp, I guess...since there is no sun), things would still corrode, etc. And between the initial stage (Young, small, good condition, etc) and the later stage (Old, big, bad condition, etc) is time.

How it's measured and what it's measured by is irrelevant.
The same could be said for 'distance'. The only difference is that distance is perceived in the immediate, and time is perceived...well, over time.

 

[T-Bone24]

There was a fascinating Panorama documentary on this on the BBC a few days ago. If it's on iPlayer I recommend watching it. It's called, "What Time is It?"

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Time doesn't exist no matter how or what theories you all choose to believe.

Of course it does. Between this moment (point A) and a hypothetical moment 2 hours from now after half a dozen people have proved you wrong (point B) stuff will happen. In order for that stuff to happen the universe has to be in motion. That motion, the stuff between point A and point B, is time.

Not a bad Theory. No matter how you put it, it doesn't exist and you still haven't proven me wrong. Cause that's all based on theory or idea. Just cause life moves on doesn't explain the time exist.

No that's fact.

Look dude this isn't rocket science. You need 3 dimensions to exist at all. Every single thing in the universe has some degree of height, length, and width relative to each other. If any one of those is removed entirely then that object ceases to exist. Simply because we have measured it using metres does not turn it into a theory.

Time is the fourth dimension, the one which allows the other three to change. That is what time is, a change between two events. Whether it is simply an atom vibrating once or everything that has ever been. The things that happen occur in space-time.

You still haven't proven that time exists. You've only described how time works in measurement.

Did the post go over your head? The very fact you can move your fingers to type is absolute proof of the existence of time.

Your fingers travel from one key to the next, in order to do that they need to be dynamic, to change state.

That change is only possible because time exists in order to allow that change to occur.

Without time, nothing can change. Everything remains in a state of complete stasis.

You are proving yourself wrong every time you post, every time you breathe.

 

[dead_beat_slacker]

Time doesn't exist no matter how or what theories you all choose to believe.

Of course it does. Between this moment (point A) and a hypothetical moment 2 hours from now after half a dozen people have proved you wrong (point B) stuff will happen. In order for that stuff to happen the universe has to be in motion. That motion, the stuff between point A and point B, is time.

Not a bad Theory. No matter how you put it, it doesn't exist and you still haven't proven me wrong. Cause that's all based on theory or idea. Just cause life moves on doesn't explain the time exist.

No that's fact.

Look dude this isn't rocket science. You need 3 dimensions to exist at all. Every single thing in the universe has some degree of height, length, and width relative to each other. If any one of those is removed entirely then that object ceases to exist. Simply because we have measured it using metres does not turn it into a theory.

Time is the fourth dimension, the one which allows the other three to change. That is what time is, a change between two events. Whether it is simply an atom vibrating once or everything that has ever been. The things that happen occur in space-time.

You still haven't proven that time exists. You've only described how time works in measurement.

Did the post go over your head? The very fact you can move your fingers to type is absolute proof of the existence of time.

Your fingers travel from one key to the next, in order to do that they need to be dynamic, to change state.

That change is only possible because time exists in order to allow that change to occur.

Without time, nothing can change. Everything remains in a state of complete stasis.

You are proving yourself wrong every time you post, every time you breathe.

It doesn't prove anything those are human interpretations of what has been a described as time. You do know the definition of human. By the way me being able to move my fingers and breath is biological it what I do to live.

 

[TheBluesader]

Everyone go read Brian Greene's The Elegant Universe or watch the PBS special and take a nap.

(Seriously, xitel answered this in Post 7. Deep breath, guys.)

 

[dead_beat_slacker]

Look your explanations are all mathematical, Math is another man mad invention.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Time doesn't exist no matter how or what theories you all choose to believe.

Of course it does. Between this moment (point A) and a hypothetical moment 2 hours from now after half a dozen people have proved you wrong (point B) stuff will happen. In order for that stuff to happen the universe has to be in motion. That motion, the stuff between point A and point B, is time.

Not a bad Theory. No matter how you put it, it doesn't exist and you still haven't proven me wrong. Cause that's all based on theory or idea. Just cause life moves on doesn't explain the time exist.

No that's fact.

Look dude this isn't rocket science. You need 3 dimensions to exist at all. Every single thing in the universe has some degree of height, length, and width relative to each other. If any one of those is removed entirely then that object ceases to exist. Simply because we have measured it using metres does not turn it into a theory.

Time is the fourth dimension, the one which allows the other three to change. That is what time is, a change between two events. Whether it is simply an atom vibrating once or everything that has ever been. The things that happen occur in space-time.

You still haven't proven that time exists. You've only described how time works in measurement.

Did the post go over your head? The very fact you can move your fingers to type is absolute proof of the existence of time.

Your fingers travel from one key to the next, in order to do that they need to be dynamic, to change state.

That change is only possible because time exists in order to allow that change to occur.

Without time, nothing can change. Everything remains in a state of complete stasis.

You are proving yourself wrong every time you post, every time you breathe.

It doesn't prove anything those are human interpretations of what has been a described as time. You do know the definition of human.

I will try to educate you one more time, and then leave it for someone else..

No they aren't human interpretations. It is a REAL action. Being human, animal, vegetable or mineral makes NO DIFFERENCE. If you simply MOVE YOUR ARM you are proving that time has to exist. The motion requires something known in mathematics as a "Rate of Change". Even if it is just a planet circling a star things happen.

In order for ANYTHING to happen a CHANGE has to occur. THE CHANGE occurs in TIME. The following is FACT. Not theory, but absolute fact.

We take a cup of hot water, place it in a room of normal room temperature, it WILL cool down whether you like it or not.

Physical properties of object (location, size, weight, energy)+Change=

New physical properties of object (location, size, weight same, energy lost). <<(Cooler cup of water).

Change = Rate of Energy Loss x Time.

Unless you believe it is possible for a cup of hot water to freeze INSTANTLY in a room with normal room temperature and no liquid nitrogen involved then time is an established fact.

Jeez.

 

[Baby Tea]

It doesn't prove anything those are human interpretations of what has been a described as time. You do know the definition of human. By the way me being able to move my fingers and breath is biological it what I do to live.

Ok you're completely missing his point. It isn't the fact that you are DOING those things that proves time. It's the fact that at one point your fingers were in one position, and then then were in another. It took TIME to move them from one position to another. They didn't suddenly appear there.

Time, in reference to seconds, minutes, hours, years, etc, are human inventions. Yes. BUT, they are BASED on what we perceive in our environment. It isn't pulled out of nothing. It's based on what we observe in our everyday.
Things get old.
Things corrode.
Things move.
Things change.
They happen without us counting out the days, hours, or nano-seconds, but it still takes TIME to do. It happens gradually. What is the space between those transitions? Time.

I can't even believe this argument is on going.

 

[dead_beat_slacker]

It doesn't prove anything those are human interpretations of what has been a described as time. You do know the definition of human. By the way me being able to move my fingers and breath is biological it what I do to live.

Ok you're completely missing his point. It isn't the fact that you are DOING those things that proves time. It's the fact that at one point your fingers were in one position, and then then were in another. It took TIME to move them from one position to another. They didn't suddenly appear there.

Time, in reference to seconds, minutes, hours, years, etc, are human inventions. Yes. BUT, they are BASED on what we perceive in our environment. It isn't pulled out of nothing. It's based on what we observe in our everyday.
Things get old.
Things corrode.
Things move.
Things change.
They happen without us counting out the days, hours, or nano-seconds, but it still takes TIME to do. It happens gradually. What is the space between those transitions? Time.

I can't even believe this argument is on going.

You just described time in measurement. Just like the guy before you, and yet still haven't proven time exist. When things get old, corrode, move, change, that's all biological they take time if you wanna base it on measurement. But time is still man made,... and doesn't truly exist.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

It doesn't prove anything those are human interpretations of what has been a described as time. You do know the definition of human. By the way me being able to move my fingers and breath is biological it what I do to live.

Ok you're completely missing his point. It isn't the fact that you are DOING those things that proves time. It's the fact that at one point your fingers were in one position, and then then were in another. It took TIME to move them from one position to another. They didn't suddenly appear there.

Time, in reference to seconds, minutes, hours, years, etc, are human inventions. Yes. BUT, they are BASED on what we perceive in our environment. It isn't pulled out of nothing. It's based on what we observe in our everyday.
Things get old.
Things corrode.
Things move.
Things change.
They happen without us counting out the days, hours, or nano-seconds, but it still takes TIME to do. It happens gradually. What is the space between those transitions? Time.

I can't even believe this argument is on going.

You just described time in measurement. Just like the guy before you, and yet still haven't proven time exist. When things get old, corrode, move, change, that's all biological they take time if you wanna base it on measurement. But time is still man made,... and doesn't truly exist.

*FACEPALM*

Ok - so before man "made" time things didn't get old, didn't move, didn't change?

 

[DrunkenKitty]

Time doesn't exist no matter how or what theories you all choose to believe.

Of course it does. Between this moment (point A) and a hypothetical moment 2 hours from now after half a dozen people have proved you wrong (point B) stuff will happen. In order for that stuff to happen the universe has to be in motion. That motion, the stuff between point A and point B, is time.

Not a bad Theory. No matter how you put it, it doesn't exist and you still haven't proven me wrong. Cause that's all based on theory or idea. Just cause life moves on doesn't explain the time exist.

No that's fact.

Look dude this isn't rocket science. You need 3 dimensions to exist at all. Every single thing in the universe has some degree of height, length, and width relative to each other. If any one of those is removed entirely then that object ceases to exist. Simply because we have measured it using metres does not turn it into a theory.

Time is the fourth dimension, the one which allows the other three to change. That is what time is, a change between two events. Whether it is simply an atom vibrating once or everything that has ever been. The things that happen occur in space-time.

You still haven't proven that time exists. You've only described how time works in measurement.

Did the post go over your head? The very fact you can move your fingers to type is absolute proof of the existence of time.

Your fingers travel from one key to the next, in order to do that they need to be dynamic, to change state.

That change is only possible because time exists in order to allow that change to occur.

Without time, nothing can change. Everything remains in a state of complete stasis.

You are proving yourself wrong every time you post, every time you breathe.

It doesn't prove anything those are human interpretations of what has been a described as time. You do know the definition of human.

I will try to educate you one more time, and then leave it for someone else..

No they aren't human interpretations. It is a REAL action. Being human, animal, vegetable or mineral makes NO DIFFERENCE. If you simply MOVE YOUR ARM you are proving that time has to exist. The motion requires something known in mathematics as a "Rate of Change". Even if it is just a planet circling a star things happen.

In order for ANYTHING to happen a CHANGE has to occur. THE CHANGE occurs in TIME. The following is FACT. Not theory, but absolute fact.

We take a cup of hot water, place it in a room of normal room temperature, it WILL cool down whether you like it or not.

Physical properties of object (location, size, weight, energy)+Change=

New physical properties of object (location, size, weight same, energy lost). <<(Cooler cup of water).

Change = Rate of Energy Loss x Time.

Unless you believe it is possible for a cup of hot water to freeze INSTANTLY in a room with normal room temperature and no liquid nitrogen involved then time is an established fact.

Jeez.

I just had a bad flashback of watching two people arguing about time from 15 years ago. It was clear to me that one person was speaking of time from a conceptual/physics based point of the view and the other one needed to read more and only saw time as a measurement that controlled his life(ie- be at work at this time).

It wasn't a good flashback.

 

[Baby Tea]

You just described time in measurement. Just like the guy before you, and yet still haven't proven time exist. When things get old, corrode, move, change, that's all biological they take time if you wanna base it on measurement. But time is still man made,... and doesn't truly exist.

Not all biological things change over time though. Cars corrode, rocks erode, etc. It still takes TIME. Whether it's measured or not, or whatever name you call it is irrelevant.

This is stupid. First off, you can't measure something if it doesn't exist. We couldn't have any measurement of time if there wasn't something to measure. Therefore, time exists.

Secondly, you can't prove time doesn't exist.
You haven't, and you can't.

 

[rossatdi]

The simple fact is that whether or not time is 'real' as a universal absolute there is almost no way any normal person is going to be affected by this. So for all intents and purposes it is real.

 

[Adam Jenson]

[quote="Baby Tea" post="18.81869.1103027"Not all biological things change over time though. Cars corrode, rocks erode, etc. It still takes TIME. Whether it's measured or not, or whatever name you call it is irrelevant.[/quote]


Actually that's more along the lines of entropy ie things breaking down