An article from a former sjw woman and a gamer.

[rbstewart7263]

I know I do this alot, I know this is my thing and I should probably talk about something like how cool that heavy bullets game is.( Ill start a thread on that later) But I feel that this womans words are worth hearing. People need to know what kinds of change are positive for them and for everyone around and what changes are not. Here she describes in detail what changes are not good for gamers and I think that once the majority of us understand this we can overcome and do something to make gaming more inclusive and not just guilt ridden and angry.

Im sorry mario your vast social change is in another castle.

The article here:http://mindlesszombiestudios.com/content/gamergate-you-can-call-me-shield

Some quotes from the article.

"This is how SJW's work. They make you fear yourself, your impact on the world and force you to hate what you are. Then when you are quiet and trying to figure out how to interact with the world they speak for you, and you, scared, tired and hating yourself latch on to what they tell you to say. I fell for it."

"Gaming saved me from killing myself during that time and in short order I left the SJW websites and stuck to gaming and activism through local gaming means. Through gaming and friends I met there I began calling myself a liberal moderate and protested for causes I believed in rather than writing blog posts about it."

Soooooooooooooo guys I know its tiring buttttttttt what do you think?

 

[Barbas]

Wait...why is it "sjw woman" and not just "sjw"?

Well, a shield's better than a sword. It's good to hear the story of someone who made up their own mind after being swept up in this frenzy.

 

[rbstewart7263]

Wait...why is it "sjw woman" and not just "sjw"?

Well, a shield's better than a sword. It's good to hear the story of someone who made up their own mind after being swept up in this frenzy.

Indeed. I guess the genders relevant as: Lets say you heard a man talking shit about the tumblr sjw crowd and a woman defended it. Now reverse there genders. The mans gonna look like an ass no matter what unless his arguement is really good where as the woman is going to look like someone who saw the club made for her and said "no thank you I see through your nonsense"

A man is the best ally for a feminist its said. I would also say that against an abusive type of groupthink like tumblr's sjw community a woman is your strongest ally.

 

[rbstewart7263]

Well she's using the term SJW at all, a stupid term used by stupid people, so clearly she's a moron. Not much else to say really.

That doesnt seem very logical at all. Its actually to help to distinguish between a zealot and someone who tries to actually help people. Like warrior and bully for example. So I disagree with your protestation that she is moron because she uses a term to describe the people who colloquially best fit the description.

 

[communist gamer]

Well she's using the term SJW at all, a stupid term used by stupid people, so clearly she's a moron. Not much else to say really.

dude a SJW is a term used to describe someone who take the whole fighting for equality thing way too far. We have Christians and idiots who want to put every homosexual person to the stake or Atheists and people who are "euphoric" and we have equal rights activists and SJW, i dont get why people consider it a ?idiots term?, indeed it is being thrown around way too often at the moment, but it?s a term that has existed for a while now. If you happen to visits tumblar you will find hordes (at least that what it seems like) of people who have nothing better to do then blame the white man for everything that is wrong with the world, and scream oppressions when ever someone even dear to criticize a representative of a minority for anything (even if it is not segregating the trash or crossing the street at a red light)



As for the article, its interesting, and its nice to see that someone has seen their extremism, but i kind of dont see how it has anything to do with video games aside from the fact that the girl who wrote is is a gamer (or maybe i missed something when i skimmed through it, dunno)

 

[MirenBainesUSMC]

One has to be careful in this day an age because there are so many pretenders, wannabes, and false profits of social change that although they will speak to people's emotions, they really just want to tear something down without any intention of replacing what they tore down with something that will stand and work for the people's good vs enriching a few whom found a means to exploit and corrupt.

Why should anyone attempt to make someone hate in order to make a change of some kind? If I have to make someone feel bad, demean them internally, or " break" their spirit in order to invoke some reaction, I am not a social changer but an ambitious bully that's attempting to obtain a goal by any means necessary.

 

[Erttheking]

Well she's using the term SJW at all, a stupid term used by stupid people, so clearly she's a moron. Not much else to say really.

That doesnt seem very logical at all. Its actually to help to distinguish between a zealot and someone who tries to actually help people. Like warrior and bully for example. So I disagree with your protestation that she is moron because she uses a term to describe the people who colloquially best fit the description.

I'm all for calling people who go too far out, but to be honest the term SJW has just been abused too much. I have little doubt that many people honestly reserve it for extremists, but there are just too many people out there who throw it at anyone who shows the slightest interest in the portrayal of women/PoC/LGBT characters in gaming. The phrase just has too much baggage and now whenever someone sees it, they have to play a guessing game to see if it's being used properly or not, and because of bad experiences, a lot of people don't think it is being used properly, if it ever was.

 

[MirenBainesUSMC]

In fact I read this little blog. I wouldn't call this woman a moron at all, I would call her a victim of political radicals that made her feel that her race was the issue and then basically beating her down with the jargon that pollutes the halls of supposed " Higher Learning".

Plus it seems she's dealing with confidence and emotional problems, which lead her to believe in the things she did because of toxic living environments both in her abusive past and on the campus/school scene. If someone told me my race was the problem, I'd give them the finger and live well which is the greatest form of revenge. If you want to blame the supposed " System"... sorry gang, that is life. The system sucks but it is up to you to forge your own way. People whom want to bring others down in the manner this young lady described are simply tests to see if man made roadblocks will actually stop you from perusing your goals and dreams. Simply put, you are never going to live life without offending, making someone pissed off, being told off, or be the subject of ridicule and angry mob mentality. If you know whom you are then live that way, hopefully it is a civil and respectable way, but nevertheless, one shouldn't be bogged down by things they cannot change, particularly if it has nothing to do with you in 2014.

 

[MirenBainesUSMC]

I would say its the lack of diverse writing then that is the issue rather then some gender war. If people want characters that are women/PoC/LGBT, then instead of ripping people apart on internet sites, they ought to take all of that energy and point towards the development teams that create games instead. Those are the ones whom can only produce what you want aside from indie houses.

Because if you simply want to regulate or make institutions like that bend to one's will, the only thing you are going to get are cookie-cutter, card board cut outs of characters whom are Women/POC/LGBT in name only with not much going for it but the identity just so someone could say they were complying.

Its just like when someone decides in the middle of a series in which the main character was never gay, had never shown tendencies to be gay, but all of sudden now he/she is just because.... what... you just wanted to claim it was now a diverse story? No. You just made an inconsistent change that is now apart from the actual story that was progressing and now it doesn't logically fit right.

I believe there is a thread already in which the OP states things like this need to come naturally and sensible. The more the game companies are told what is wanted, the change thus will come.

 

[Skatologist]

Yeah, I know everybody still hates comparisons because some go too far but I think the one I'll make here seems a bit justified.

You know how some religious leaders claim to have been atheists for much of their life and saw the light and completely changed and felt they realized their former peers had thoughts like "They just hated God" or "They want to deny the existence of God so they can sin"?

Yeah, I don't support that, even if they genuinely were a nonbeliever. Once you imply the beliefs of a group you held on to was not only ignorant, but some form of malicious or at its core is negative, I can not support you. This article seems no different.

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

Yeah, I know everybody still hates comparisons because some go too far but I think the one I'll make here seems a bit justified.

You know how some religious leaders claim to have been atheists for much of their life and saw the light and completely changed and felt they realized their former peers had thoughts like "They just hated God" or "They want to deny the existence of God so they can sin"?

Yeah, I don't support that, even if they genuinely were a nonbeliever. Once you imply the beliefs of a group you held on to was not only ignorant, but some form of malicious or at its core is negative, I can not support you. This article seems no different.

You realize that she was exposed to abuse from people she was defending over a period of several years?

It's not a sudden realization one day about the nature of a belief. It's actual, physical people mistreating her and interfering with her life, not an-invisible-man-in-the-sky-lets-bad-thing-happen-fuck-him revelation?

On the subject of the article, I've seen what an abusive upbringing can do to a person (my to-be-wife had one, though not as bad as the writer, thankfully) and it really screws them up, especially when people with strong voices are screaming at you. Well done to her for for taking control and doing what SHE wanted to do.

 

[C. Cain]

That doesnt seem very logical at all. Its actually to help to distinguish between a zealot and someone who tries to actually help people.

Then what do you call someone who genuinely tries to help people? What's so objectionable about fighting for social justice?

 

[C. Cain]

Its just like when someone decides in the middle of a series in which the main character was never gay, had never shown tendencies to be gay, but all of sudden now he/she is just because.... what... you just wanted to claim it was now a diverse story? No. You just made an inconsistent change that is now apart from the actual story that was progressing and now it doesn't logically fit right.

That's actually a terrible example. Homosexuality is still very much stigmatised and in some parts of the world illegal (to the point of offenders being put to death). Coming out of the closet is not an easy decision to make and trying to blend in by not giving any indication of one's true sexual preferences is not only realistic but common.

 

[debtcollector]

That doesnt seem very logical at all. Its actually to help to distinguish between a zealot and someone who tries to actually help people. Like warrior and bully for example. So I disagree with your protestation that she is moron because she uses a term to describe the people who colloquially best fit the description.

No it's not, it's a word that means about the same as "Communist" meant during the Red Scare, or, to be more topical, what "cishet" means to the hardcore tumblrs: it's a word that one side uses to label and discredit, and therefore dismiss anyone who disagrees with them. It's NOT a word people should use if they want to be taken seriously.

 

[Something Amyss]

Wait...why is it "sjw woman" and not just "sjw"?

Simple. Because A GIRL agrees with us.

This has been pretty SOP for a while now.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

dude a SJW is a term used to describe someone who take the whole fighting for equality thing way too far.

We already have lots of words for that. Extremist. Fundamentalist. Ideologue. There is no shortage of words in the English language to describe people who are rigid and inflexible in their belief system.

"SJW", though, is a pejorative coined by idiots to throw a blanket over a varied cross section of people whom they disagree with. It is the new "White Knight", as modified to apply to both genders equally. Don't agree with someone? Poison the well by calling them a name first, a term designed purely to insult, and to imply membership in a group with presumed characteristics. Then you don't HAVE to debate them point by point, or try to understand their point of view, or come to an understanding. You can just call them a name, and dismiss them off-hand. This kind of labeling allows for a greatly simplified world view. You're not disagreeing with PEOPLE, who have a variety of opinions, motivations, rationale, etc, etc. You're disagreeing with an IDEA that you invented. The idea of the "social justice warrior", a blinkered idiot who believes in lazy, unfocused activism, the cause of the week, and soap-boxing on the internet about issues they barely understand. Much easier to dismiss. You know everything you need to know about them! They're a SJW! It's an open and shut case!

This is the essence of prejudice and bigotry. Invent a group with presumed characteristics, give it a name, assign people you disagree with to that group, and sneer at it at every given opportunity. You can put a little jacket and hat on it and say you're doing it because you believe in "ethical transparency in game journalism" or engage in slippery slope hysteria about the death of the hobby at the hands of meddling beatniks, but at the end of the day you are just rationalizing bigotry.

So while calling someone who uses the term "a moron" would be throwing wild punches, calling someone who uses the term prejudiced would be entirely accurate.

Now, I have no idea about you, but I tend to disregard obvious prejudice when I hear it. If you want to keep using the term because you think it's a cute way to ridicule people you dislike, you may continue to do so, but don't be under any illusions about what you're doing.

 

[Nimcha]

Meh, moving from one extreme to the other? Not really all that helpful.

 

[Thorn14]

Wait...why is it "sjw woman" and not just "sjw"?

Simple. Because A GIRL agrees with us.

This has been pretty SOP for a while now.

Hey, if people are going to throw around the argument that all gamers are nerdy white males, I'll take anyone calling that out with actual proof they aren't any day.

 

[C. Cain]

Hey, if people are going to throw around the argument that all gamers are nerdy white males, (...)

Who actually claims that with a straight face? Or are we veering off into some sort of 'No true Scotsman' territory?

 

[Thorn14]

Hey, if people are going to throw around the argument that all gamers are nerdy white males, (...)

Who actually claims that with a straight face? Or are we veering off into some sort of 'No true Scotsman' territory?

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_to_be_your_audience_Gamers_are_over.php