An ethical question involving adoption

[Griffolion]

If the child is 13 or 14, they should be given the choice. Though it will be incredibly hard for them.

 

[4li3n]

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Again - so, so glad the law agrees with my side, not yours.

Actually i'm pretty sure if kids ended up with paedophiles because of a court decision the law would demand someone to get fired...

 

[Sun Flash]

Well the kidnapper has to be punished, so the child would have to be taken away from them, no ifs, no buts.

If I were the person to decide where the kid should go, I'd ask the child if it knew any extended family. Considering if they had nothing to do with it (ie the grandparents honestly thought they had a biological grandchild) I'd probably send the kid off to live with them and grant partial access to the biological parents so they can form a relationship with the child and take it from there.

If the kid had no where to go, I'd offer it the chance to go live with their biological parents or to temporarily stay in a care home until this is all sorted out, with as much access as they want to the biological parents. I don't think the state would let the kid live with you, would they? I'd also offer them that if I could.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

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Ive looked at your responses and youre making this so clear cut when it just isnt.

You argue constantly that the perpetrator should be punished. I agree. This is true. There is NO way this person shouldn't go unpunished for their crime. At all. They deserve it, what they did was sick. However you dont seem to care about the kid at all.

You more than likely love your parents. Or at least one of them. Imagine if they raised you kindly and loved you. Then one day someone comes and says, "this isnt your mum", take sthem away forever and goes "you live with strangers now, ive fixed it". That's horrific. I mean sure from the outside justice has been done but from the kids view, that woman thats cared for you, taken you to the park, the movie, the pool. Read to you. Listened to you. Loved you. For years. Is still that person. They still did those things. Nothing can change that. You cant just tell the kid to "deal with it" and ***** slap that poor kid in the face. I find your view pretty monstrous. Its just "SCREW THE KID, JUSTICE JUSTICE JUSTICE!" which is horrible. The kid loves this person. They did wrong and they SHOULD be punished, no one argues that (so dont pull this kidnapping is now ok point please) but the kid is now being told that their entire life long relationship of love with their parent is a lie. Which to be honest it isnt. The relationship is still real.

I understand that all the nice things i named are things the real parent deserved to. They deserved them. But sadly things went awry. Thats not how it turned out. They cant have that now. Returning the kid wont do anything but taunt them with all they have lost. All they couldnt have. And it will torture the kid by depriving him of someone he loves, even if you replace them with the "real" parents. They arnt the kids real parents. The person who raised them is. Even if it was for the wrong reasons.

 

[Vault101]

well in the situation similar to the mini series, the woman was distraught at not being able to have her own children...she wasnt a bad person just not very stabel at the time, I mean the kid is lost on the beach...she finds her...you know?

anyway it doesnt justify it, its just her motivations

You say it's just her motivations, but you seem to think that it's a little justifying, or ameliorating. Yes, you would want to be more merciful in court towards her compared to someone who would do it in an effort to take revenge, or put the kid in a porno dungeon.

Still, it's a reckless disregard for the child's welbeing, and its parent's well being. (which of those spellings is correct?

In essence this situation asks the question: Which is more important: Punishing someone who did a horrid crime in the nicest way possible or making sure the kid gets what's best for him or her?

I'm curious to reading your answers. For now I'll stick with: "What about the rights and what's best for the parents?"

well Im just showing what the hypothetical situation was, like as you said, she didnt do it because she was some kind of deviant and she rased the kid well enough

but of coarse it doesnt justify it because that was the cause of the entire problem, and all the pain in the first place

as for the Biological parents yes they definetly have a right to see the child, and depending on the situation perhaps the child could do live with them, but I dont think its right to cut off the childs access to the kidnapper completley

that said (and what other people havnt seem to have mentioned) is what we dont know in this situation is how the child feels, mabye they dont want to see the kidnapper mum again, mabye they dont like the Biological parents, youd have to judge it induvidually

anyway I put this here becauses its a really difficult situation, and people get hurt what ever action you choose

 

[4li3n]

Your assumptions lend your case no strength.

We're obviously not going to agree, so let's drop it. Enjoy your day.

Well it's hard to agree with someone that seems incapable to even consider any implications of his own narrow view of a situation... i might as well try convincing a binary system that 2 exists. OMG, are you Skynet...


And BTW, the law in any civilised society allows for circumstances to influence punishment and how a situation should be handled. Kinda why premeditated murder and a crime of passion are treated differently.

 

[4li3n]

I'm curious to reading your answers. For now I'll stick with: "What about the rights and what's best for the parents?"

If they're good parents what's best for them is what's best for the child...


There's a reason King Solomon went with cutting the kid in two... logically it doesn't really prove 100% who the real mother was, but it did show without a doubt who the better person was and the kid belonged with the better person no matter who's DNA he had...

 

[thebolt]

So, who else want to go back to when Dulcinea is 13-14 and force him to live with new parents that he's never seen before? See how he likes it.

People adjust. I doubt that a child would be so maladjusted that they couldn't get used to the idea of new guardians. Not to mention by early teenage years, maturity is starting to develop. The child wouldn't be as dependent on their parents for emotional support and stability at 13 or 14 as opposed to a much younger age between 5 and 10. Hell, you get some minors in their early teens who are more independent than people in their late teens.

The child is a minor. All rights reside with any guardian(s). A crime was committed when the child was kidnapped and deserves the full force of the law. It will be up to the court to decide how lenient the sentencing should be.

Not that I disagree with you...but the kid being described is EXACTLY the kid I would expect to be that maladjusted. Was kidnapped at birth and finds out they've been living with a kidnapper for 13 years? That'd fuck me up FOREVER.

 

[LuckyClover95]

Shared custody?
I saw that show! I also don't remember what it was called. I remember very specifically the kidnap parents and child having mugs with their names on.
And about social issues.... yeah. There's a pretty defined class barrier. I go to a fairly middle class school but went to middle and first school in a "rough" neighborhood and my family are working class so I have influences from both classes, and there is a very set separation of each class.

I think it was called "Torn" or somthing like that, anyway the scenario I presented there isnt 100% the same, but similar as to what I can remember

anyway yeah at least in Britan it seems that way, it seems on TV most lower class british youths would bash you up as soon as look at you, however thats probably not true

Yeah, it's not true. When I said class divide divide I didn't mean it was violent.

 

[Doom-Slayer]

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I don't think leaving a child in the care of a criminal who has demonstrated their willingness to break the law and steal a life from parents, hiding their actions and living a lie for however many years is all that sound in reasoning.

And as I just said. Law has absolutely nothing to do with ethics and morality. They are separate systems after all, law is created to control and maintain order so society can function at its best. Morality is an intuitive and if I may say so, objective system(that's a different argument for a different topic)

And I'm not saying your wrong, morally speaking it is strange to leave the child in the care of a kidnapper, but I don't believe the action of physically taking them away, completely changing their life and giving them to their "real" parents is a better one. What if the child actually loves and cares about their "new" parent, because yes the action of kidnapping is wrong, but reversing a wrong action isn't always the right thing to do.

 

[joemegson94]

I tell you who you don't want get involved with this: Wheatley.

 

[zarguhl]

The question is illogical. The kidnapper mother wouldn't raise a child well, she'd be a horrific mother. There couldn't exist a good parent who did that.

It's like saying "Lets say a man beats a woman until she agrees to marry him, but after that he's a perfect husband and years later people find out what happened should he get in trouble?"

Both hypothetical situations are impossible.

Edit:
Corrected, wrong definition of "Straw Man".

 

[Najos]

The question is illogical. The kidnapper mother wouldn't raise a child well, she'd be a horrific mother. It's a straw man argument to say there could exist a good parent who did that.

It's like saying "Lets say a man beats a woman until she agrees to marry him, but after that he's a perfect husband and years later people find out what happened should he get in trouble?"

Both hypothetical situations are impossible.

It isn't actually a straw man, though. A straw man is...well, here's a good example.

Person A: We should raise speed limits on interstates across the country.
Person B: If we didn't have speed limits there would be way too many accidents.

You see, Person B's argument is a straw man because he changed Person A's original argument. Instead of actually debating the point, he creates a false point (hence the term straw man) and argues that.

Spoiler: The more you know!

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[Doom-Slayer]

Hey, if you feel leaving someone in the care of an individual who lives a lie and is willing to steal a child from their parents, effectively crushing them and ruining their life, depriving the child too of growing up with their mum and dad is the more 'right' thing to do, rather than return the stolen child to its home, that's your prerogative.

I'm just glad the law disagrees with you and would send the nutjob to prison for a very long time.

Wow...you just took everything I said out of context and made about...3 unfounded statements. And...mentioned the law again, which as Ive said twice, does not come into moral and ethical debates, and if you think it should, you don't understand what morality is. Lets take this logically if at all possible shall we? Remembering of course I'm talking on a general level, not the specific case in the OP, but if you read my posts you'd know that.

"effectively crushing them and ruining their life" Wow if that isn't unfounded then I don't know what is. You immediately presume because the child cant live with their original parents they are living a horrible and terrible life? What if their parents were lower-class, poor and lived in a gang infested neighborhood and the person stealing the child is a wealthy businessman/women?

"Depriving the child too of growing up with their mum and dad" Interesting word "deprive", since that's again unfounded(see above)

"nutjob" conjecture again.

And once again you don't actually consider the feelings of the child anywhere in your post, which is what my entire post was about.