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Freeze_L

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LooK iTz Jinjo said:
A Thousand Suns and the only word I can think to describe it is just bad. It's really bad, it has nothing of the Linkin Park of old and even if it wasn't by them it would still be a shitty album.
I could rant and rave for days on why it is a good album, but it all comes down to it being a single solid experience that tells a story and has depth and meaning to it, every word is chosen carefully and its just great writing, the music is not bad either (unless you know you wanted to listen to something like every thing else they have done). It definitely was not made to appeal to fans or most pepole who normally listen to them, it's meant to be listened to actively, you could not listen to this album passively and like it. It is much like reading poetry, at first an amazing poem might not be good until you look a little bit deeper, in many ways they use music as literary device, and it creates an amazing experience for those who are willing to think about what the music is doing and what the words mean.

OT: Really old games, you cant find some of these anywhere, and the only option is to pirate these. However with GOG we no longer have to do this! and i will gladly pay for an old game that i have been wanting to play, it's just that the company does not make or sell them any more.

I have pirated many a game who's cd i have lost, or broken, i am not good with cds and am not buying 12 copies of a game because of securom, but these are the 2 arguments i can think of.
 

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gamefreakbsp said:
This new excuse that if you can't afford it, then pirate it, is completely ludicrous. Simply because you cannot afford to purchase something, does not mean you are entitled to steal it. Trying to honestly say that that is a legitimate reason is arogance beyond measure.
But you are not stealing anything, your infringing on copyright that is intrinsically different from stealing. When you steal something you take something away from someone with copyright infringement you make a copy of something someone made without asking them.

If you were to equate it to stealing there are indeed several times when stealing seems to be to be morally acceptable, the first that comes to mind is when your starving to death.
 

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gamefreakbsp said:
This new excuse that if you can't afford it, then pirate it, is completely ludicrous. Simply because you cannot afford to purchase something, does not mean you are entitled to steal it. Trying to honestly say that that is a legitimate reason is arogance beyond measure.
Comfortable there in your nice warm middle-class life there, are you?
 

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my pet monkey justifies his evil downloading habit through:
lack of demos for (pc) games these days or if there are they come months after the actual game instead of months before like the days of yore which is just fucking nuts. downloading to replace lost/broken discs. downloading PC versions of games i own for 360 which just seemed fair and even more so after my 360 RRoDed.
movies i er, he even just don't really give a fuck because their industry pulls in obscene profits.
i stream a fair bit of tv and music (all from legal sources honest guv) because its generally quicker an easier than downloading them.

edit: also inflated release prices, 40+ quid for a game that might be shite, fuck that.
 

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deathandtaxes said:
If you don't find discussion of moral and ethical issues interesting perhaps you should find other more scholarly pursuits may I suggest playing hungry hungry hippos.
I have no problems voicing my opinions on the moral and ethical ramifications having to do with software/electronic piracy.

The reason I made such a crude statement as before was thus: it had about as much place in a thread relating to electronic piracy as any other statement concerning anyone's sexual orientation. Yours included.

And your line about the Saudi's wanting innate human rights in their own country is a valid point. Which is why I stated: If you cannot be who you are where you are, leave your current surroundings for something else. The biggest way to change something is to change the very foundation of that something. If you cannot change the foundation, why are you still there?

I stated my opinions. Thus, I have discussed moral and ethical issues. I'm sorry you're myopic. Hope you find that one on the Urban Dictionary, too.

*bows out and leaves to go pursue more scholarly pursuits, like Hungry Hungry hippos*
 

smeghead25

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Well I know most people will disagree with my methods but here they are anyway. I know it's not legal but I do try to stay moral and fair in what I do.

Music: I am one of those people who has to have an entire album if I buy a song. So I will only buy an album if I think it is worth the cost. To judge this I base it on whether it's a band/musician I like and I will listen to a few of the songs. If I only like one or two songs then the rest is filler and they don't deserve my $20. I also tend to borrow albums from my library and copy them. I get maybe a few listens and that's it and if I find I like it more I might buy it properly if I think it's worth it.

Movies: I only really watch a movie once, even the best so I only ever rent. I have some pirated movies but I never watch them. Except Toy Story. And I only used that one because when I bought the Blu-Ray special editions of TS1 and 2 the Myer staff put Toy Story 2 discs in both cases... And I had people over for a marathon before going to see Toy Story 3.

Games: I always pay for indie games if I am going to play them. If it seems interesting and is cheap enough I'll buy it. If it's not cheap enough I won't buy it. I have shitty download speeds so I can't really pirate games. But I generally use Steam (and download at uni) as I find those prices are perfect. If the game is not worth the cost, I'll buy it in a sale when it is worth the cost.
 

Pyro Paul

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GRoXERs said:
1. Mmm, nope. Piracy has very few legitimate excuses; just about the only morally acceptable one is pirating something after you bought it because the DRM is INSANE *coughassassinscreedcough* and won't let you play something that you paid good money for just because you don't have a reliable internet connection.
that isn't piracy legally speaking.
Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc., 964 F.2d 965 (9th Cir. 1992)

As long as you Own a Legal Copy the consumer is allowed to experiment and manipulate content of a game under the 'fair use' laws. manipulating the game code to bypass invasive DRM, Emulating a game system as to play games on diffrent platforms, or simply using it to create new levels or increase the difficulty...
 

PedroSteckecilo

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As far as I'm concerned there are a few legitimate excuses for Piracy... but only a few.

1) It is not available in your country (but this excuse falls through when it is)
2) It is not available through any other means (say downloading an old TV show you watched as a kid that has never made it to DVD)

Pretty much the only two excuses I find palatable.
 

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deathandtaxes said:
brainless_fps_player said:
Prostitution is different. It involves arguments about freedom and integrity etc.
If someone produces a piece of music/film/game, I believe they deserve to be paid for it. Just because the internet makes it easier to steal, doesn't change the fact that you're taking property that doesn't belong to you. If people think that's okay, then they should go ahead but they shouldn't pretend it's anything other than theft.

Also, if everyone in society obeyed the laws, society would be happier which rent. It involves arguments about freedom and integrity etc.would make obeying the laws right. (Obviously with the exception of laws designed to needlessly harm people eg Nazi's, Iran, North Korea etc)
So you think that every time you use someone's copyright you should have to pay royalties why is this only true of commercial media or did you forget that every time you quote someone in school assignments you are using someone copyrighted ideas for your own personal gain.

This is simply a double standard that exists in society it is not about the rule of law or about stealing since in both cases you are not depriving someone of physical property it is a question of compensation for ideas.

Which seems only to exist when the ideas are put into a published medium, while we seem free to quote peoples life's work without paying them a cent. Sure we must acknowledge them but I don't see anyone disputing who owns true blood while torrenting it.

Also note all laws are designed to restrict personal freedoms in attempt to create safety and harmony in society something being the law does not make it right, just, good, effective or indeed logical or sane.
There is a difference between intellectual and commercial property. A quote or statistic may have value, but it is intellectual. A song or a film or a game, however, has commercial value. It is an industry and it requires money to function. Stealing it through piracy is just as bad as plagarism, as far as i'm concerned. They are both a type of theft.
And you are right, it doesn't make the laws good or bad or intelligent by definition, but the action of upholding them or following them is.
 

Vilcus

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I don't pirate, so no excuse.

Also, yours doesn't really stand up on its own, seeing as you could just wait for someone to upload it on Youtube, and find out if it's crappy or not then. No real reason to pirate it.

Haven't listened to their latest album at all, and don't really plan to. I've listened to maybe 7 of their songs that I liked, and I didn't really click with the rest.
 

Tiny116

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Your not a criminal for pirating as long as its for private use, though your still breaking a law XD.
I bought a thousand suns and I liked one track, the others were just awful, the last album I like everything was two albums ago.
LP what the hell happened to you!
 

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LooK iTz Jinjo said:
So today I got into an argument with a friend who labeled me a criminal because I pirate a fair bit of software. I've used up all my usual reasoning on him until so I had to think of something new. It was today that I also downloaded Linkin Park's new album, A Thousand Suns and the only word I can think to describe it is just bad. It's really bad, it has nothing of the Linkin Park of old and even if it wasn't by them it would still be a shitty album. This is what I used in my argument, that if I paid good money for that at a store I would be outraged that I had wasted my hard earned cash. As it is I'm just annoyed that a band I used to quite like has gone so downhill (though that's not new news or anything).

So Escapists, I pose you two questions.
1. What is your excuse for Piracy?
2. What did you think of Linkin Park's new album? It's alright you can say it's bad.
Piracy has no excuse. You're just either too lazy to go to the sotre like a normal human being, or you refuse to pay money like another human being. If the album was good, you still pirated it, and you stilled paid no money for it.

I doubt you'd walk up to the store and say "Well I downloaded this a few days ago, and WOW is it goo, here's the money for my part" and walk away.

If you buy a PS3 game, you don't know what you're getting except by reviews. Do the same with your music
I've done that, I try a game and love it so I go out and buy it to have a copy. Shoot I'm doing that now, I "got" Etrian Odyssey 1 and love the series (I own the second 2) but the first one is NO WHERE TO FIND NEW IN STORES. So I could have done to things

A)No matter what I do the devs who made this epic game would not get my money since I would get it used so just don't bother buying it(No store I know has it new so no money for the dev)

B)No matter what I do the devs who made this epic game would not get my money since I would get it used but I would like to own it in my collection because it's great.

I picked B (looking for a cheap copy now).

Oh yeah and Scribblenuaghts I did the same thing, killing time before I went back to the dorms from my house I "played it" and I thought it was so freaking epic I went to pre order it.

So I guess I'm not human I mean I "borrow" games and still go out of my way to buy them if I like them. I support good games (mostly Atlus and NIS[A])
 

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Apart from installing software to see if it even runs and then promptly removing it, there are no even vaguely legitimate excuses for software piracy - the fear of being stuck with a product you cannot return that doesn't work on your rig is something we should be allaying with a demo, but when companies do not release one then I am not going to tongue-lash someone for engaging in copyright violation if it's for that purpose and that purpose only. Anything else just makes you a douchebag.

[small]Note that if you have purchased software and THEN take steps to break copyright protection/strip out DRM, I have absolutely no problem with that and I do so myself in flagrant violation of the EULA - publishers can suck it, I bought their damn products so I see no reason to suffer through the extraneous and annoying bits they tack on in an entirely futile attempt to keep grubby pirates out.[/small]

Now music piracy, I tend to view that differently, as the nature of the medium is different - music is a service for one thing, and one you can legally appreciate for free; you can listen to a bewildering array of music without paying a cent for it or breaking any laws. Seen in that light, downloading an album you weren't ever going to buy is only worse than say... listening to it via a streaming radio site in the sense that the artists/labels get performance fees from those sites when their songs plays on them, which they don't from your unauthorized digital reproduction; otherwise all you've changed is the context in which you are enjoying their work for free.

In point of fact, depending on their contracts bands might very well be getting a pittance at best from album sales, relying on touring and sale of merchandise for all their real revenue, so the widespread unauthorized digital distribution of their albums may actually be beneficial to them - it's essentially free publicity, which is why quite a few artists have gone on the record to say they think filesharing is great: it introduces a much broader audience to those artists' work and increases the likelihood that some of them will then go on to purchase the things that actually make an artist/band money. With software, the product that makes developers/publishers money is the one you just downloaded without compensating them for, so that argument doesn't really fly.

Now me, I buy a bloody ton of music anyways[footnote]There was a stretch a few months back where I was laying out a couple hundred dollars each month at a minimum; last month I was fortunate enough to spend only $58 dollars or so for the 14 albums I acquired thanks to sales, whee![/footnote] and if an album is readily available via digital distribution for a reasonable price then I'm not even going to think of pirating it. If there's no legal digital copy though and the album in question is an obscure European import that will set me back $40 or more[footnote]Those aware of my musical proclativities know that this essentially describes 98% of the contemporary music I'd be looking to purchase.[/footnote], then I don't even feel remotely bad about nabbing it through extra-legal channels - there was no way in hell I was paying that much for an album so its not like they really lost a sale, and "musical evangelism" is kind of my hobby, so they're absolutely getting a ton of free publicity out of me whether I buy an album or not.
 

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PedroSteckecilo said:
As far as I'm concerned there are a few legitimate excuses for Piracy... but only a few.

1) It is not available in your country (but this excuse falls through when it is)
2) It is not available through any other means (say downloading an old TV show you watched as a kid that has never made it to DVD)

Pretty much the only two excuses I find palatable.
What if you own a lot of games and own a method to carry them in one source, cause I hate carrying 50+ carts (one more hopefully will be added to that number ^_^)
 

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I only pirate games I have lost the disc for or once owned (usually old PC titles). I have still invested money into the product, just not this perticular version of it.

Its still bad dont get me wrong. But why would I pay again (possibly more) for a game I technicly already own.
 

Skratt

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There really is no excuse for piracy. If you pirate something, you acknowledge that it has worth or value (to be used) and you have stolen it.

If you aren't going to buy it, don't pirate it. If every pirate did that, publishers would get the message pretty fucking quick. To me, that would be the best way to bring down the prices of games and quite possibly reduce DRM, which I see as the main reasons people pirate (anything).

Still, I wish that any games you buy on disc had a registration / download from the internet option in case you lose the disc. I have a few scratched discs I wish I could still play...
 

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LooK iTz Jinjo said:
So Escapists, I pose you two questions.
1. What is your excuse for Piracy?
2. What did you think of Linkin Park's new album? It's alright you can say it's bad.
1. I don't pirate, and don't much care if others do.

2. Only heard bits and pieces of it via Itunes and thought it was trash. Heard The Catalyst single a few weeks ago and thought my ears were gonna bleed because it was so bad and NOT Linkin Park. They need to just stop. Their first albums were great (albeit angsty and what not,) but Minutes to Midnight was trash, outside of about 3 songs, and this album just needs to go away, far, far far away, along with the band, to never return. Yeah I know a bit cynical but what's with bands feeling the need to change their music so much? Disturbed tried it after their first album and though they've gotten better about going back to how they were, they still aren't the same. STICK WITH WHAT YOU DO WELL BANDS! FOR THE LOVE OF ALLTHAT IS HOLY!