An hypothetical question for recent Fallout fans

[natster43]

Eh, I will wait for it to come out and see the reviews, but it doesn't look very good.

 

[DEATHD0DGER]

I don't know about the second video, but the first video is horrible. Fallout is awesome and is filled with badass stuff, but it's subtle. This trailer is just shoving tits and miniguns in our faces. That's not what Fallout is about.

I've only played Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas for those of you wondering.

 

[scar_47]

I've never before seen the above mentioned alleged game by god does it look terrible not merely in terms of graphics but the tone is nothing like the other fallout games no wonder people refuse to talk about it some thing need to be buried. I got into fallout after seeing 3 teased at e3 in 2007 picked up 1 and 2 struggled near the beginning since I'd started with an NES and never really played any old school rpg's but once I got the hang of it I fell in love with the game world which brotherhood of steel is clearly having no part of. I liked 3 and love new vegas and honestly think theres a lot of undeserved hatred for the newer games and consoles in general being blamed for dumbing down the industry that wouldn't exist without us.

 

[Fwee]

I tried that game when it came out. Awful stuff, just plain crap. I hadn't yet played a Fallout game at the time, and at least I knew that they were different. I wanted to play this one for a Baldur's Gate-style game, and was so disappointed with how bad it was.

 

[Corporal Yakob]

This was the first Fallout game I ever played and I enjoyed it, I like this sort of fast co-operative orieniated action RPG.

Oi put down those pitchforks!

That said, Fallout 3 and New Vegas were infinitly better and I'm soon going to aquire the collection of 1, 2 and Tactics.

 

[Vkmies]

Well, we still have 2d around. One of the biggest selling steam games of the moment (Terraria) is 2d. Dozens of 2d-games are still released to the market. The fact that we have 3d shouldn't mean that all other viewpoints should die in a fire, ESPECIALLY when it's just about the personal preference. I don't think making a game that uses a primitive viewpoint is taking a step backwards, if anything it's bringing different possibilities and genres to the market, which is a good thing. I am not denying that Fallout 3 or NV are good games, 'cause they are, I am simply trying to defend another, different style of making a game.

Like Cowabungaa himself said, why limit your options? I personally think that letting a game-style die isn't giving options, I think it limits them. Letting this viewpoint die, would mean the death of another style of game. Even though it may be limiting to use isometric view, that might not be a bad thing. That is like saying that there is no use of using 2d, because 3d let's you see more. I don't really think having isometric games would hurt the industry. We have licensed games to do that.

As evilneko rightfully said; third person is the natural evolution of isometric. There is nothing isometric can offer that third person can't. It's different with 2D and 3D as 2D simply offers a completely different gameplay experience compared to 3D. Isometric compared to third-person? I'm not seeing it.

Having options is nice, but using archaic technology for the sake of using archaic technology is just pointless. It's dead easy to incorporate an isometric option in a third person game as well. I believe The Witcher did it, for example. Ain't that enough? You say it won't be a bad thing to restrict a modern Fallout game to isometric, but why would it be a good thing? Why would I want to lock my camara into place? What do I, someone who isn't hung up on nostalgia, have to gain from it? I'd like to look up to that huge, crumbling, 50's style skyscraper. Can't do that with isometric.

That said, I'd welcome a third person Fallout game with cutting edge graphics and every bit as sprawling and open as the first 2 Fallouts. Low intel playthroughs? Yes please. And let's throw in an isometric option to please the nostalgia fans.

Well, we still have 2d around. One of the biggest selling steam games of the moment (Terraria) is 2d. Dozens of 2d-games are still released to the market. The fact that we have 3d shouldn't mean that all other viewpoints should die in a fire, ESPECIALLY when it's just about the personal preference. I don't think making a game that uses a primitive viewpoint is taking a step backwards, if anything it's bringing different possibilities and genres to the market, which is a good thing. I am not denying that Fallout 3 or NV are good games, 'cause they are, I am simply trying to defend another, different style of making a game.

Like Cowabungaa himself said, why limit your options? I personally think that letting a game-style die isn't giving options, I think it limits them. Letting this viewpoint die, would mean the death of another style of game. Even though it may be limiting to use isometric view, that might not be a bad thing. That is like saying that there is no use of using 2d, because 3d let's you see more. I don't really think having isometric games would hurt the industry. We have licensed games to do that.

As evilneko rightfully said; third person is the natural evolution of isometric. There is nothing isometric can offer that third person can't. It's different with 2D and 3D as 2D simply offers a completely different gameplay experience compared to 3D. Isometric compared to third-person? I'm not seeing it.

Having options is nice, but using archaic technology for the sake of using archaic technology is just pointless. It's dead easy to incorporate an isometric option in a third person game as well. I believe The Witcher did it, for example. Ain't that enough? You say it won't be a bad thing to restrict a modern Fallout game to isometric, but why would it be a good thing? Why would I want to lock my camara into place? What do I, someone who isn't hung up on nostalgia, have to gain from it? I'd like to look up to that huge, crumbling, 50's style skyscraper. Can't do that with isometric.

That said, I'd welcome a third person Fallout game with cutting edge graphics and every bit as sprawling and open as the first 2 Fallouts. Low intel playthroughs? Yes please. And let's throw in an isometric option to please the nostalgia fans.

Well, I personally think that isometric can be a different experience to first person and third-person-behind-the-back views. I wouldn't say that I'm hung up in nostalgia, if we drop the fact that I would had preferred Fallout 3 and NV to be in isometric view. It's all about personal preference. You like your Fallout 3d, I'd like it in isometric. I can totally see where you are coming from and I hope you are not taking this as bashing of 3d view. I can see isometric view point being used as a style-choice, gameplay-choice and a budget-choice. I personally think that full 3d capabilities can ruin aesthetics of a game. Games like Heroes of Might and Magic and Jagged Alliance, I think should've stayed in isometric mode.

So I guess, what I'm saying is that while I have absolutely no problem with 3d, I think isometric mode works better in some games and that I don't really see the point of completely destroying it, when there are alot of systems and talented studios that could still make up awesome games using it.

 

[evilneko]

I tried watching a Let's Play of Fallout 1, got bored and lost interest in about an hour. This being an RPG, it's probably more fun to play than watch.

It's not much more fun to play. It's actually quite frustrating to play. I'd be all for a modern remake of it though. Even if it was a total conversion of FO3 still struggling along on the Gamebryo engine, I'd probably buy it.

 

[zombiejoe]

I would try it out. I heard BOS wasn't very good, but maybe the new game would be better.

 

[Nulmas]

I tried watching a Let's Play of Fallout 1, got bored and lost interest in about an hour. This being an RPG, it's probably more fun to play than watch.

It's not much more fun to play. It's actually quite frustrating to play. I'd be all for a modern remake of it though. Even if it was a total conversion of FO3 still struggling along on the Gamebryo engine, I'd probably buy it.

Actually, it's pretty straight forward once you figure it out. And remember, people nowadays aren't used to games like that. Back then, the game was actually intuitive.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Well, I personally think that isometric can be a different experience to first person and third-person-behind-the-back views.

How?

Keeping in mind that you can put a third person game into an isometric view.

I personally think that full 3d capabilities can ruin aesthetics of a game.

How?

An isometric view in Fallout does not give me impossing views of a ruined, 50's-style civilization. Not that the GameBryo engine was that good at it, but y'know. I can only imagine the possibilities with Bethesda's new engine that they're going to use for Skyrim. Oh baby.

I wouldn't say that I'm hung up in nostalgia

So what is it then? Do explain, I'm curious.

So I guess, what I'm saying is that while I have absolutely no problem with 3d, I think isometric mode works better in some games and that I don't really see the point of completely destroying it, when there are alot of systems and talented studios that could still make up awesome games using it.

Mind you, I never said it should be completely destroyed. It's dead-easy to lock your camara into an isometric view, so why not do that? Why is that not good enough and should the ability to do anything you want with the camara, including isometric, be scrapped entirely for the whims of a few?

And again, what does it have to offer? Why isometric over third-person, especially when third-person can include isometric.

As for budget, I doubt Fallout has to worry about that. Still not seeing what it has to do with a gameplay choice either. Nowadays, it's just a camara viewpoint, that's all. And a very limited one too.

 

[Starke]

Ah yes, Fallot PoS. The gem, which forever keeps Tactics from being the worst game in the franchise.

I have to say that I truly have no idea what the fuck was supposed to be happening in those.

I shouldn't laugh at lolcats, but that pair caught me by surprise, good show.

 

[Mekado]

It belongs in the same dark pit of "i'm washing my brain with bleach so i forget it exists" as Command & Conquer Renegade and X-Com enforcer...


Captcha: pipe down ....hahaha

 

[Starke]

You broke the first rule of fallout fandom: Never mention BoS

The correct designation is, and shall remain "Fallout: PoS".

 

[Starke]

It belongs in the same dark pit of "i'm washing my brain with bleach so i forget it exists" as Command & Conquer Renegade and X-Com enforcer...


Captcha: pipe down ....hahaha

Funny you should mention that. The runner up for worst Fallout Title actually is an X-Com clone. A rather good, if buggy X-Com clone, but still very sub-par for the series.

Also, I actually rather liked Renegade.

 

[Wintermoot]

from what I have seen it breaks continuity (I think I saw a intro vid once where a GAS POWERED CAR drove through the wasteland this is impossible since they ran out of oil or it became very expensive)

 

[Nulmas]

Also, I actually rather liked Renegade.

I second that

 

[inFAMOUSCowZ]

I have never played that fallout but isn't it supposed to be terrible?

"Looks at comments"

Yup never mind I guess it was.

 

[Mekado]

It belongs in the same dark pit of "i'm washing my brain with bleach so i forget it exists" as Command & Conquer Renegade and X-Com enforcer...


Captcha: pipe down ....hahaha

Funny you should mention that. The runner up for worst Fallout Title actually is an X-Com clone. A rather good, if buggy X-Com clone, but still very sub-par for the series.

Also, I actually rather liked Renegade.

You're talking about Tactics ? i liked it

 

[ZZoMBiE13]

That was actually my first Fallout game. It wasn't the worst Dungeon Crawler game I played. But looking back most of the trappings of Fallout seem to be tacked on and arbitrary. Like they could have just as easily called it "Mad Max" or "A Boy and His Dog: The Game".

When the original Fallouts were released I didn't have even a decent PC. So I never got much exposure to the world of Fallout until FO3 in 2008. It's a shame really. I tried to go back and play the old FO titles, but they're too old now. I'm not graphics whore or anything, but without nostalgia to drive you through it's tough to get into them nowadays. What I did see of the first 2 games was pretty brilliant though. It's the same with a lot of my old favorites from the SNES or NES. As great as they were originally, going back isn't always the wisest option.