An Idea for a Wonder Woman Movie

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PREFACE:

I am by no means a comic book scholar. Pretty much all the knowledge I have of both Wonder Woman and comics in general is second hand(Thank you MovieBob's The Big Picture) or by interpretation of watching the movies or other things pertaining to the comic. So I apologize for any inconsistencies with existing mythos or misunderstandings of the comic.

THESIS:

BUT! I still think DC needs some major retooling or reworking if they ever hope to make worthwhile superhero movie, or even keep their comic book business alive. So even though this may be a retooling of an existing, and MAJOR, character, I think it could have a net gain instead of a loss. What I propose could check several boxes that I think DC needs to hit in order to not only make a good movie, but also make one that stands out from the crowd. Not to mention that this retooling could tap into a massive, but underappreciated demographic.

THE PITCH:

Wonder Woman's origin has always been as an Amazon, right? Now I'm pretty sure it used to be that she came from an island or something, but the retooling would actually put her in the Amazon rainforest, right on the river. No, she would not be some tribal woman. She and the Amazons would pull the whole "secret civilization" schtick and live out in the jungle in a highly civilized... city that's either remained hidden from the world, or concealed via magic/tech/plot/whatever. It's the Amazon rainforest, it already has a reputation for being giant and mostly unexplored, so it could work. More importantly, this gives rise to the major major setting of the movie: Brazil. Rio de Janeiro. Sao Paulo.

Wonder Woman would now, instead of being another white woman, a Brazilian woman. Failing that, she could be generically latin. Whatever the case, she's now dark-skinned and not-american.

This is generally the extent of my pitch so far. But it shouldn't be too hard to come up with a villain or villain group to fight, or a reason to fight. Personally, I'd shy away from any "they're killing the rainforest" angle because that would be too much considering everything else going on in the movie.

THE REASONING:

Look, DC needs something to stand out from other superhero movies, especially Marvel. With this movie, they can hit a glaring weak spot in Marvel movies, and action movies in general. TWO weak spots actually. 1.) A female superhero in the lead, and 2.)A non-white superhero in the lead. That's TWO big bonuses that could in their favor if they can leverage it correctly. The female angle is a no-brainer, but the latin angle is the big one. That's a market that needs attention considering that it's quickly becoming the majority in America, and I'm sure it would look good overseas.

The retooling of her origin may be massive, but I think this would go over better than retools because this one comes with story and plot to back it up instead of just some race swap out of nowhere. Amazon = Amazon rainforest, duh. Plus, that's no reason to change how the Amazons worked in the comics, I believe. They had a Greek aesthetic, right? They can keep that. They can still be all women. Perhaps you can mix in some vaguely Mayan/Incan architecture in there too to really hammer home the change. As a side note, the women of the Amazons can be of all races and you wouldn't really need to explain that cause hey comic books.

Now this taking place in Brazil is a MAJOR point of this pitch. Lets start with WW now being a Brazilian woman. First of all, Brazilian woman tend to have a reputation as being insanely beautiful. But they also tend to be fairly tall and physically fit. That fits WW actually being physically imposing while also being feminine.

Brazil also has a substantial amount of culture that would be a boon to this movie. We're all sick of movies taking place in the same couple of place(New York, Los Angeles, San Fran...), so for a big movie to take place in a new, unfamiliar place could garner some attention. Brazil also has many many recognizable landmarks and cities, perfect for set piece moments. A fight on/near the giant statue of Christ the Redeemer? A chase through the favelas? A superpowered fight through the jungle/waterfalls/river/mountains/cliffs?

But there's also one other thing that could REALLY add some flavor that no other country can give: CARNIVAL! Think about it! A giant party is perfect for crowd scenes, giant panning shots, adding flair to the general area, lots of sound and color. It's perfect. Plus, it would kind of explain her costume. I mean, anything WW would wear would probably be the MOST conservative costume there, and no one would think otherwise! And even more set piece moments! A final fight during the fireworks? Perhaps an elaborate chase scene during the float parade?

MISC:

The Samba is a Brazilian dance style. It's rhythmic and sensual, but also surprisingly physically demanding. Perhaps a scene with WW(Played by, I propose Zoe Saldana) shows her dancing the Samba. Yeah, it could play to the male gaze and stuff, but I think it would establish that she's not only feminine but she also has the physical prowess to do that kind of thing. Maybe she could beat up a couple of thugs immediately afterward.

If I remember correctly, the Amazons had a queen or something, and she's the one who sent out WW into the world. Right? I propose that this queen be played by Sigourney Weaver. Sure she's white, but I already said that the Amazons are multiracial anyway. Anyway, Weaver carries not only the clout of being a tough woman in movies, but she carries herself very well. She's imposing without physically being so. She's just very confident and commanding. Perfect for that position.

Brazil is a growing economic force on the international scene, and I'm pretty sure they'd LOVE to have a big budget American movie shot in their cities. Especially with the Olympics coming up.

I'm pretty sure this is better than anything DC has in the tube right now.
 

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Aconite333 said:
Now this taking place in Brazil is a MAJOR point of this pitch. Lets start with WW now being a Brazilian woman. First of all, Brazilian woman tend to have a reputation as being insanely beautiful. But they also tend to be fairly tall and physically fit. That fits WW actually being physically imposing while also being feminine.
DC already has Fire.
There's no reason to retcon Wonder Woman's story, especially for those that don't understand the Greek mythology's Amazons.
 

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All I took away from this pitch is that you don't know anything about Wonder Woman, you don't care about knowing anything about Wonder Woman, you don't know that Amazons are Greek, and you like Brazilian women.

I can't really blame you for the last one or the first one. I can blame to for the second and third.

So I will.
 

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I take it the OP has no idea what an Amazon actually is, and doesn't realize that amazonian women have nothing to do with the Amazon rainforest or South America.
 

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Eh, why not? Reboot, bold new vision and all.

Sure, DC has other not-white heroes...but are they getting movies any time soon?

As it stands, WW apparently is something people can't get a handle on enough to make a movie, a weird reboot might be a good idea, or at least worth a try.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Eh, why not? Reboot, bold new vision and all.

Sure, DC has other not-white heroes...but are they getting movies any time soon?

As it stands, WW apparently is something people can't get a handle on enough to make a movie, a weird reboot might be a good idea, or at least worth a try.
They should make a John Stewart Green Lantern movie. You know, to erase the terribleness that was their first attempt at Green Lantern.

Thus you get your non-white superhero (and a really fucking awesome one at that), and we all get to forget the parallax smoke monster.
 

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Dirty Hipsters said:
They should make a John Stewart Green Lantern movie. You know, to erase the terribleness that was their first attempt at Green Lantern.

Thus you get your non-white superhero (and a really fucking awesome one at that), and we all get to forget the parallax smoke monster.
Or that, yeah. Big problem in that that was many people's first exposure to Green Lantern, and it'll be tainted by that for some time.
 

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Wonder Woman belongs to the Amazonian race as described by Greek mythology and hails from a fictional island called Themyscira, which is dislodged from both time and space. She never had anything to do with Brazil.
 

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I don't mean to be overly-critical OP, but before posting something like this it would be a good idea to *at least* watch some episodes of JL/JLU, and/or animated WW movie from a few years ago. Or at the *very* least read the Wikipedia entry on the character......
 

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Dirty Hipsters said:
They should make a John Stewart Green Lantern movie. You know, to erase the terribleness that was their first attempt at Green Lantern.

Thus you get your non-white superhero (and a really fucking awesome one at that), and we all get to forget the parallax smoke monster.
What?!?! There was a Green Lantern movie?!?!?! That must have been so totally awesom...Ugghh....ugghh...wait...it's coming back to me.....aaaaaaahhhhhhh!
Darn it! Now I have to get my memory erased again!
 

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Dirty Hipsters said:
They should make a John Stewart Green Lantern movie. You know, to erase the terribleness that was their first attempt at Green Lantern.

Thus you get your non-white superhero (and a really fucking awesome one at that), and we all get to forget the parallax smoke monster.
Michael Jai White as John Stewart, fund it :D
 

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Hey, if Stan Lee can reboot Wonder Woman in a similar way... [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Imagine...#Wonder_Woman]

But no. That's fine for a spin-off comic, and as much as the OP's character is a valid character, it isn't the Wonder Woman character that people know and love and would want in a movie.

Wonder Woman is inextricably connected to Greek myth. Like Thor, they could go with the explanation that the gods are super-science-y aliens, but I believe they should embrace the mythology, since THAT is what makes her distinct amongst the recent crop of superhero movies. That and her gender, of course.
 

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Aconite333 said:
BUT! I still think DC needs some major retooling or reworking if they ever hope to make worthwhile superhero movie, or even keep their comic book business alive.
I wouldn't call myself a comic book scholar, just an avid reader and fan for most of my life. What you've highlighted here actually is DC's biggest problem; they won't stop retooling and reworking characters, continuity and their entire line of books.

The characters I grew up with, the things that kept me reading comics, are mostly gone. Replaced by both the Silver Age fetishism of older writers who shunt out newer characters to resurrect their childhood heroes, and by DC's constant rebooting.

"Those characters you like? Ha, sucker, they don't exist anymore! We have characters who look like them, but aren't them, but you like Liefeld-style dark and edgy characters, right?"

Aconite333 said:
Look, DC needs something to stand out from other superhero movies, especially Marvel. With this movie, they can hit a glaring weak spot in Marvel movies, and action movies in general. TWO weak spots actually. 1.) A female superhero in the lead, and 2.)A non-white superhero in the lead. That's TWO big bonuses that could in their favor if they can leverage it correctly. The female angle is a no-brainer, but the latin angle is the big one. That's a market that needs attention considering that it's quickly becoming the majority in America, and I'm sure it would look good overseas.
You've hit on another big problem, one that's pretty common for Wonder Woman.

Tokenism.

She's not a very interesting character. She's not the most powerful, the most popular, the most influential. Yet DC count her as one of their "big three", along with the legitimate popularity powerhouses of Batman and Superman, because she's the most visible female. She's usually include just so the editors can go "Look! We have girls!", but this means a lot of much better, more interesting female characters don't get a look-in because the focus is on WW, the one non-comic readers are more likely to recognise. It carries over into other media too: you're pushing for a Wonder Woman movie because she's the only one you know, not because she's the character who would make for the best movie. Whenever the idea of doing a female DC character comes up in movies or television it's Wonder Woman, despite there being no way to make her particularly interesting to watch.

Aconite333 said:
I'm pretty sure this is better than anything DC has in the tube right now.
Depressingly, as a huge DC fan, I'm sure you're right.
 

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Dirty Hipsters said:
Thus you get your non-white superhero (and a really fucking awesome one at that), and we all get to forget the parallax smoke monster.
thaluikhain said:
Or that, yeah. Big problem in that that was many people's first exposure to Green Lantern, and it'll be tainted by that for some time.
It'd be cool if they made a sequel that was just Emerald Twilight (wouldn't need to stick to the comics script directly, just get rid of Hal and the various other Lanterns), as a giant fuck you to the first movie, and then they could get it all out of the way and have Kyle as GL.

<3 Kyle
 

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SonicWaffle said:
You've hit on another big problem, one that's pretty common for Wonder Woman.

Tokenism.

She's not a very interesting character. She's not the most powerful, the most popular, the most influential. Yet DC count her as one of their "big three", along with the legitimate popularity powerhouses of Batman and Superman, because she's the most visible female. She's usually include just so the editors can go "Look! We have girls!", but this means a lot of much better, more interesting female characters don't get a look-in because the focus is on WW, the one non-comic readers are more likely to recognise. It carries over into other media too: you're pushing for a Wonder Woman movie because she's the only one you know, not because she's the character who would make for the best movie. Whenever the idea of doing a female DC character comes up in movies or television it's Wonder Woman, despite there being no way to make her particularly interesting to watch.
I agree and disagree.

It's true that WW doesn't have nearly the same popularity and fame as Superman and Batman. But she does deserve her place among the big three, because who else would be more suitable for the spot?
Green Lantern? There are too many of them. THere's no one "true" GL.
Martian Manhunter? Only comic hfans know about him, and he doesn't even have his own title.
Aquaman? He's Aquaman. Okay, so he's pretty cool and rules the sea, but people's image of him still is too negative.
The Flash? Once more, there are too many. There's no "true Flash."
Who else is it gona be? And another thing in her favor is that she's always Wonder Woman; it's not like the way The Flash and Green Lantern are roles bestowed upon them.
 

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Queen Michael said:
It's true that WW doesn't have nearly the same popularity and fame as Superman and Batman. But she does deserve her place among the big three, because who else would be more suitable for the spot?
Well firstly, let's address the underlying assumption here; why does it need to be a Big Three? Why not just Superman and Batman? Like I said, it reeks of tokenism. DC have a natural Big Two, but in order to ward of accusations of sexism (a little bit, at least, given that it hasn't been that successful) they've elevated a second-string female character to the upper tier regardless of whether or not it makes sense.

Queen Michael said:
Green Lantern? There are too many of them. THere's no one "true" GL.
Martian Manhunter? Only comic hfans know about him, and he doesn't even have his own title.
Aquaman? He's Aquaman. Okay, so he's pretty cool and rules the sea, but people's image of him still is too negative.
The Flash? Once more, there are too many. There's no "true Flash."
It would depend how you're classifying it. Based on power levels? Probably Flash. On importance to the DCU? Martian Manhunter. Being a consistently underrated stone-cold badass? Aquaman.

However, Superman and Batman are the big sellers because they're the most popular. Off the top of my head I couldn't tell you who the third most popular DC character is. Hell, it might even be Wonder Woman these days, since they've pushed the character so hard as being one of their most important.

Thing is, even if they stick with the idea of tokenism and promoting a female character to the spotlight, there are plenty of more interesting ones to use. Black Canary, for instance. Leader of the JSA and JLA, founding JLA member, straight-up badass.

Queen Michael said:
Who else is it gona be? And another thing in her favor is that she's always Wonder Woman; it's not like the way The Flash and Green Lantern are roles bestowed upon them.
Not exactly. She's the second Wonder Woman, following from her mother in the WWII era. She also lost the title briefly to Artemis after the Amazons decided she didn't deserve to be Wonder Woman anymore. It's a title which is bestowed, not integral to who she is.
 

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My idea was set the movie in WWII with Vandal Savage with Giant Nazi mechs and super tanks.
 

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SonicWaffle said:
Queen Michael said:
It's true that WW doesn't have nearly the same popularity and fame as Superman and Batman. But she does deserve her place among the big three, because who else would be more suitable for the spot?
Well firstly, let's address the underlying assumption here; why does it need to be a Big Three? Why not just Superman and Batman? Like I said, it reeks of tokenism. DC have a natural Big Two, but in order to ward of accusations of sexism (a little bit, at least, given that it hasn't been that successful) they've elevated a second-string female character to the upper tier regardless of whether or not it makes sense.
They do have a Big Two, though. Well, kind of. What I'm talking about is the entire "World's Finest" thing.
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Queen Michael said:
Green Lantern? There are too many of them. THere's no one "true" GL.
Martian Manhunter? Only comic hfans know about him, and he doesn't even have his own title.
Aquaman? He's Aquaman. Okay, so he's pretty cool and rules the sea, but people's image of him still is too negative.
The Flash? Once more, there are too many. There's no "true Flash."
It would depend how you're classifying it. Based on power levels? Probably Flash. On importance to the DCU? Martian Manhunter. Being a consistently underrated stone-cold badass? Aquaman.

However, Superman and Batman are the big sellers because they're the most popular. Off the top of my head I couldn't tell you who the third most popular DC character is. Hell, it might even be Wonder Woman these days, since they've pushed the character so hard as being one of their most important.

Thing is, even if they stick with the idea of tokenism and promoting a female character to the spotlight, there are plenty of more interesting ones to use. Black Canary, for instance. Leader of the JSA and JLA, founding JLA member, straight-up badass.
She is more interesting than Wonder Woman, I'll give you that.
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Queen Michael said:
Who else is it gona be? And another thing in her favor is that she's always Wonder Woman; it's not like the way The Flash and Green Lantern are roles bestowed upon them.
Not exactly. She's the second Wonder Woman, following from her mother in the WWII era. She also lost the title briefly to Artemis after the Amazons decided she didn't deserve to be Wonder Woman anymore. It's a title which is bestowed, not integral to who she is.
I should have phrased what I said better. What I meant is that GL and The Flash both were given their powers when they were grown men, while Diana always has been a Themysciran. That, and the Greek mythology thing, has been a part of who she is from day one, just like Supes has always been a Kryptonian and Batman's vow to become a dark knight fighting evil is what turned him into Batman, unlike GL and Flash who didn't even try to become superpeople. (Though I must admit that Barry Allen did spend his every working hour working to stop the criminal element.)
 

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Queen Michael said:
SonicWaffle said:
Queen Michael said:
It's true that WW doesn't have nearly the same popularity and fame as Superman and Batman. But she does deserve her place among the big three, because who else would be more suitable for the spot?
Well firstly, let's address the underlying assumption here; why does it need to be a Big Three? Why not just Superman and Batman? Like I said, it reeks of tokenism. DC have a natural Big Two, but in order to ward of accusations of sexism (a little bit, at least, given that it hasn't been that successful) they've elevated a second-string female character to the upper tier regardless of whether or not it makes sense.
They do have a Big Two, though. Well, kind of. What I'm talking about is the entire "World's Finest" thing.
Right. And so why was there a need to spin off from that basic idea idea concepts like Trinity, or the myriad Elseworlds (Kingdom Come is a prime example) which like to depict the trio as the defining characters of the DCU? If it isn't tokenism, and we accept that Wonder Woman isn't a particularly interesting character, I can't see the rationale behind a move like that.

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I should have phrased what I said better. What I meant is that GL and The Flash both were given their powers when they were grown men, while Diana always has been a Themysciran. That, and the Greek mythology thing, has been a part of who she is from day one, just like Supes has always been a Kryptonian and Batman's vow to become a dark knight fighting evil is what turned him into Batman, unlike GL and Flash who didn't even try to become superpeople. (Though I must admit that Barry Allen did spend his every working hour working to stop the criminal element.)
Hooboy. Can of worms right there. Wonder Woman, due to frequent retcons and plot changes, has been all over the place. A Themiscyran child. An immaculate conception. A creature fashioned through religion/magic out of sand. A literal god. Her origin is one of those which has flip-flopped quite a lot, and as a result has ended up in one of the most convulted continuity snarls of them all. Stuff like J.M Strazinsky's attempt to reboot the character (as a teenage rebel, no less) only messed things up further. She's not the example you want to point to when discussing tradition.

As for the others, even accepting that Diana has always been an Amazon, it doesn't fit properly. Superman was always Kryptonian, but didn't know it until he was a teenager, and (depending on the writer) his powers didn't manifest until around the same time. Batman didn't begin as Batman, just an ordinary child. Someone like Aquaman or Martian Manhunter on the other hand have always been what they are, because their superhero abilities are intrinsic to their species.

Actually, I'd make a case for Flash being one of the longest-serving of those who weren't born with superpowers; Wally, as Kid Flash, picked up his powers as a child and has had them ever since.